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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2019, 05:02:07 PM »
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  • Yep, both the Maronite and Chaledeans have ...

    1) adopted the Novus Ordo table
    2) turned some parts of the liturgy to vernacular (although they use the sacred language still for the consecration)
    3) allowed aberrations like altar girls and lay readers

    Otherwise, however, it's the same Liturgy and valid, despite these abuses.

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    Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
    « Reply #16 on: February 12, 2019, 05:03:24 PM »
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  • No doubt one of the reasons why the bloodthirsty Judeo-masonic plunderers in our governments decided to descend upon Iraq.

    No doubt whatsoever.  It's also why the same criminals chose to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima ... since those two cities had the greatest concentrations of Catholics anywhere in Japan.


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    Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
    « Reply #17 on: February 12, 2019, 11:13:33 PM »
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  • This gives proof to the lie that attending mass is an arrestable offense in that country.

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    Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
    « Reply #18 on: February 13, 2019, 07:28:02 AM »
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  • This gives proof to the lie that attending mass is an arrestable offense in that country.
    Did you not read? It's not. Iran actually allows non-Muslims to openly worship because Shia Islam is not beheading people in public for wearing a crucifix like the Saudis.
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    Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
    « Reply #19 on: February 13, 2019, 10:30:23 AM »
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  • Good counter to all the MSM anti-Iran narrative!


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    Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
    « Reply #20 on: February 13, 2019, 07:37:37 PM »
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  • Ladislas
    the Chaldeans actually have the bizzarity of Deaconesses, as do the Armenians. At an Orthodox Armenian liturgy I witnessed their use they sang in choir and stood behind the communicants putting chapel veils on the heads of the women and girls approaching the altar. Another deaconess stood in the bema removing them from their heads. Some of the OO sister churches were not part of the empire when the deaconesses were done away with and have no prohibitive canon against it. Essentially the Chaldeans and Malabar are highly Latinized because of Portuguese influence
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    Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
    « Reply #21 on: February 14, 2019, 09:49:00 AM »
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  • Ladislas
    the Chaldeans actually have the bizzarity of Deaconesses, as do the Armenians. At an Orthodox Armenian liturgy I witnessed their use they sang in choir and stood behind the communicants putting chapel veils on the heads of the women and girls approaching the altar. Another deaconess stood in the bema removing them from their heads. Some of the OO sister churches were not part of the empire when the deaconesses were done away with and have no prohibitive canon against it. Essentially the Chaldeans and Malabar are highly Latinized because of Portuguese influence

    Yes, there was a notion of "deaconess" in the early Church, but it was not an Order but a looser expression. So, for instance, people tended to be baptized in the nude or with few clothes on by immersion, and the deaconess would assist the females being baptized while the bishop stood behind a screen so as not to violate modesty.  This sounds like the same kind of thing, a function where it's more appropriate for females to be assisting females.

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    Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
    « Reply #22 on: February 15, 2019, 12:09:41 AM »
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  • Yes, there was a notion of "deaconess" in the early Church, but it was not an Order but a looser expression. So, for instance, people tended to be baptized in the nude or with few clothes on by immersion, and the deaconess would assist the females being baptized while the bishop stood behind a screen so as not to violate modesty.  This sounds like the same kind of thing, a function where it's more appropriate for females to be assisting females.
    Along those lines there is the story of the conversion of Pelagia. When she begged the bishops to baptize her, they confided her to the deaconess Romana for her instruction.


     

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