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Traditional Catholic Faith => The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers => Topic started by: phagocytosis on February 09, 2019, 01:59:52 PM

Title: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: phagocytosis on February 09, 2019, 01:59:52 PM
Nice chapel except for the abominable Novus Ordo table in front of the real Altar.

The side Altars are awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0jUeEwO5uU
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: JezusDeKoning on February 09, 2019, 02:28:22 PM
Iran is an interesting anomaly among Muslim-majority countries in that it seems to treat non-Muslims decently and allows them to have public houses of worship.
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: ggreg on February 09, 2019, 02:53:03 PM
I like Iran.  The people there are very welcoming and friendly.  Both Christian and Muslim.
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: Ladislaus on February 09, 2019, 04:54:30 PM
Iran is an interesting anomaly among Muslim-majority countries in that it seems to treat non-Muslims decently and allows them to have public houses of worship.

Iraq was the same way.  Tariq Aziz, Hussein's right-hand man, was a Catholic (Chaldean Catholic).  Hussein protected Catholics against Muslim terrorists.  They would have Catholic processions unmolested in the streets of Baghdad.
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: confederate catholic on February 09, 2019, 06:35:25 PM
is this a NO Church?
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: Nadir on February 09, 2019, 07:11:47 PM
is this a NO Church?
The OP says as much.
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: forlorn on February 10, 2019, 09:13:40 AM
Iraq was the same way.  Tariq Aziz, Hussein's right-hand man, was a Catholic (Chaldean Catholic).  Hussein protected Catholics against Muslim terrorists.  They would have Catholic processions unmolested in the streets of Baghdad.
No doubt one of the reasons why the bloodthirsty ʝʊdɛօ-masonic plunderers in our governments decided to descend upon Iraq. 
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: clarkaim on February 11, 2019, 04:20:42 PM
is this a NO Church?
if that is the Cathedral of Tehran, it was once Hannibal Bugnini's church. 
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: Mithrandylan on February 11, 2019, 07:27:16 PM
What liturgy is offered here (besides the Novus ordo?)  I noticed there are no kneelers. 



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Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: JezusDeKoning on February 11, 2019, 07:38:16 PM
What liturgy is offered here (besides the Novus ordo?)  I noticed there are no kneelers.  



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It actually does not have the NO — according to Wikipedia, it's a Chaldean cathedral.
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: poche on February 11, 2019, 10:52:26 PM
If it is a Chaldean cathedral then it is not a novus ordo church.
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: forlorn on February 12, 2019, 03:00:23 PM
It actually does not have the NO — according to Wikipedia, it's a Chaldean cathedral.
Even so, they've taken a lot after the NO. The altar is NO, and it seems they have altar girls. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INouqp4uaKQ
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: Mithrandylan on February 12, 2019, 04:05:31 PM
Even so, they've taken a lot after the NO. The altar is NO, and it seems they have altar girls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INouqp4uaKQ
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That's a different church.
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: Mithrandylan on February 12, 2019, 04:06:19 PM
It actually does not have the NO — according to Wikipedia, it's a Chaldean cathedral.
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Thanks.  So they probably don't kneel anyways.
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: forlorn on February 12, 2019, 04:35:24 PM
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That's a different church.
It's the same Rite. 
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: Ladislaus on February 12, 2019, 05:02:07 PM
Yep, both the Maronite and Chaledeans have ...

1) adopted the Novus Ordo table
2) turned some parts of the liturgy to vernacular (although they use the sacred language still for the consecration)
3) allowed aberrations like altar girls and lay readers

Otherwise, however, it's the same Liturgy and valid, despite these abuses.
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: Ladislaus on February 12, 2019, 05:03:24 PM
No doubt one of the reasons why the bloodthirsty ʝʊdɛօ-masonic plunderers in our governments decided to descend upon Iraq.

No doubt whatsoever.  It's also why the same criminals chose to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima ... since those two cities had the greatest concentrations of Catholics anywhere in Japan.
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: poche on February 12, 2019, 11:13:33 PM
This gives proof to the lie that attending mass is an arrestable offense in that country.
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: JezusDeKoning on February 13, 2019, 07:28:02 AM
This gives proof to the lie that attending mass is an arrestable offense in that country.
Did you not read? It's not. Iran actually allows non-Muslims to openly worship because Shia Islam is not beheading people in public for wearing a crucifix like the Saudis.
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: klasG4e on February 13, 2019, 10:30:23 AM
Good counter to all the MSM anti-Iran narrative!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYoa9hI3CXg
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: confederate catholic on February 13, 2019, 07:37:37 PM
Ladislas
the Chaldeans actually have the bizzarity of Deaconesses, as do the Armenians. At an Orthodox Armenian liturgy I witnessed their use they sang in choir and stood behind the communicants putting chapel veils on the heads of the women and girls approaching the altar. Another deaconess stood in the bema removing them from their heads. Some of the OO sister churches were not part of the empire when the deaconesses were done away with and have no prohibitive canon against it. Essentially the Chaldeans and Malabar are highly Latinized because of Portuguese influence
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: Ladislaus on February 14, 2019, 09:49:00 AM
Ladislas
the Chaldeans actually have the bizzarity of Deaconesses, as do the Armenians. At an Orthodox Armenian liturgy I witnessed their use they sang in choir and stood behind the communicants putting chapel veils on the heads of the women and girls approaching the altar. Another deaconess stood in the bema removing them from their heads. Some of the OO sister churches were not part of the empire when the deaconesses were done away with and have no prohibitive canon against it. Essentially the Chaldeans and Malabar are highly Latinized because of Portuguese influence

Yes, there was a notion of "deaconess" in the early Church, but it was not an Order but a looser expression. So, for instance, people tended to be baptized in the nude or with few clothes on by immersion, and the deaconess would assist the females being baptized while the bishop stood behind a screen so as not to violate modesty.  This sounds like the same kind of thing, a function where it's more appropriate for females to be assisting females.
Title: Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
Post by: poche on February 15, 2019, 12:09:41 AM
Yes, there was a notion of "deaconess" in the early Church, but it was not an Order but a looser expression. So, for instance, people tended to be baptized in the nude or with few clothes on by immersion, and the deaconess would assist the females being baptized while the bishop stood behind a screen so as not to violate modesty.  This sounds like the same kind of thing, a function where it's more appropriate for females to be assisting females.
Along those lines there is the story of the conversion of Pelagia. When she begged the bishops to baptize her, they confided her to the deaconess Romana for her instruction.