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Offline xavierpope

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St John Vianney - God abandoning us
« on: March 12, 2018, 08:05:53 PM »
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    • St John Vianney implied that God can abandon us and not accept us back, what are your thoughts on this?

    http://www.catholicpamphlets.net/pamphlets/The%20Sermons%20of%20St%20John%20Mary%20Vianney%206.pdf
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    Re: St John Vianney - God abandoning us
    « Reply #1 on: March 12, 2018, 10:12:57 PM »
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    • God won't forsake us, without being forsaken by us first. 
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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: St John Vianney - God abandoning us
    « Reply #2 on: March 14, 2018, 03:59:10 PM »
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    • When God's mercies have reached their end He punishes, and pardons no more. God is merciful; but, as great as His mercy is, how many people He sends to Hell every day! God is merciful but He is also just; and He is therefore obliged to punish those who offend Him. When sins reach a certain number, God pardons no more. St. Basil, St. Cyril of Alexandria, St. Jerome, St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, St. John Chrysostom, and other Fathers teach that, according to the words of Scripture: "Thou hast ordered all things in measure and number and weight" (Wisdom 11: 2 1), God has fixed for each person the number of sins He will pardon; and when this number is completed, He will pardon no more. God does bear with us, but not forever. When the time comes for vengeance, He punishes. How many God has sent to Hell for the first offense! St. Gregory relates that a child five years old was seized by the devil for having uttered a blasphemy and carried into Hell. Another of eight, after his first sin, died and was lost. St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori

    How many souls have been damned for a single mortal sin!  St. Ignatius of Loyola

    Faith is a gift from God. And let no one have any doubt whatsoever that, while this gift is given to some, to others it is not given. Why it is not given to everyone ought not disturb the faithful; even if no one were delivered, there would be no just cause for finding fault with God!  St. Augustine

    Neither faith nor works shall free from eternal punishment any of those who die in mortal sin, even after any length of time whatever. It would seem that by the mercy of God all punishment of the damned comes to an end. Since, however, His mercy is ruled by His wisdom, it does not reach certain people who render themselves unworthy. And yet, the mercy of God is found even in them, in that they are punished less than they deserve. St. Thomas Aquinas








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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: St John Vianney - God abandoning us
    « Reply #3 on: March 14, 2018, 05:53:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2018, 03:59:10 PM

    Neither faith nor works shall free from eternal punishment any of those who die in mortal sin, even after any length of time whatever.

    It would seem that by the mercy of God all punishment of the damned comes to an end.

    Since, however, His mercy is ruled by His wisdom, it does not reach certain people who render themselves unworthy.

    And yet, the mercy of God is found even in them, in that they are punished less than they deserve. St. Thomas Aquinas

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    Therefore, a person who has delayed baptism then dies before being baptized might be judged by God unworthy of forgiveness since God's mercy is ruled by His wisdom.
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    In such a case, the mercy of God is found even in them, in that they are punished less than they deserve. 
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    Re: St John Vianney - God abandoning us
    « Reply #4 on: March 14, 2018, 06:42:18 PM »
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    • Five year old in hell? what hope have any of us got  ???
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    Re: St John Vianney - God abandoning us
    « Reply #5 on: March 14, 2018, 08:15:34 PM »
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    • Matthew 12 
    Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
    31 Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
    32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

    Mark 3
    28 Amen I say to you, that all sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and the blasphemies wherewith they shall blaspheme:
    29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, shall never have forgiveness, but shall be guilty of an everlasting sin.
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    Re: St John Vianney - God abandoning us
    « Reply #6 on: March 14, 2018, 08:24:35 PM »
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    • but isn't blasphemy of the holy spirit not repenting until death?
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    Re: St John Vianney - God abandoning us
    « Reply #7 on: March 15, 2018, 01:20:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: xavierpope on March 12, 2018, 08:05:53 PM
    St John Vianney implied that God can abandon us and not accept us back, what are your thoughts on this?

    http://www.catholicpamphlets.net/pamphlets/The%20Sermons%20of%20St%20John%20Mary%20Vianney%206.pdf
    I am always most appreciative of posts like this that give us what the saints say.
    God bless. I have copied to read it later, as don't have time on this computer
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    Re: St John Vianney - God abandoning us
    « Reply #8 on: March 15, 2018, 01:24:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2018, 03:59:10 PM
    When God's mercies have reached their end He punishes, and pardons no more. God is merciful; but, as great as His mercy is, how many people He sends to Hell every day! God is merciful but He is also just; and He is therefore obliged to punish those who offend Him. When sins reach a certain number, God pardons no more.
    I kind of agree but maybe the wording could be better? (yes, I presume to say that about a canonized saint)
    I think God only refuses to pardon bc we have come to the point of not wanting to be pardoned or something... I mean, we may come to God and ask to be pardoned but we are not really sorry?
    I don't know.. And yet I recall one time in the Exposed Presence when what St John V said came to me... It seemed the Holy Spirit told me this, that if I do not overcome a particular sin, there will come a time when I will not be forgiven. I overcame that sin... so... if someone takes lightly such revelations of the HS, or what I claim is such... well, that is what is not forgiven...
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