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St. Don Bosco, the SSPX, and A.D.2013?
« on: July 05, 2008, 10:02:26 PM »
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  • Since Bp. Williamson is 80% concerned about the near future and the possibility of Fr. Kramer's postulations coming true, i thought of posting this one.

    This post is in two parts:

    (A) the Dream of Don Bosco as taken from http://www.propheties.it/mystics/donbosco.htm;

    (AA) my comments which follows after the dream.

    ***

    [A] St. Don Bosco's Prophetic Dream (May 24 - June 24, 1873)44

    <<Transcribed from The Biographical Memoirs of Saint John Bosco by Rev. Angelo Amadei, S. D. B., ed. Rev. Diego Borgatello, S. D. B., Volume X (1871-1874), Salesiana Publishers, New Rochelle, New York, 1977, pp. 49-59. Items in square [] brackets have been added by the Editor. Items in round ( ) brackets are the marginal notes added by St. John Bosco.>>

    It was a dark night (error), and men could no longer find their way back to their own countries.45 Suddenly a most brilliant light (faith in God and in His power) shone in the sky, illuminating their way as at high noon.46 At that moment from the Vatican came forth, as in procession, a multitude of men and women, young children, monks, nuns, and priests, and at their head was the Pope.47 (It seems to allude to the suppression of monasteries and schools run by religious and to the Pope's exile.)

    But a furious storm broke out, somewhat dimming that light, as if light and darkness were locked in battle.48 (Perhaps this means a battle between truth and error, or else a bloody war.) Meanwhile the long procession reached a small square littered with dead and wounded, many of whom cried for help.49

    The ranks of the procession thinned considerably.50 After a two-hundred day march, all realized that they were no longer in Rome.51 In dismay they swarmed about the Pontiff to protect him and minister to him in his needs.52

    At that moment two angels appeared, bearing a banner which they presented to the Supreme Pontiff, saying: "Take the banner of Her who battles and routs the most powerful armies on earth. Your enemies have vanished: with tears and sighs your children plead for your return."53

    One side of the banner bore the inscription: Regina sine labe concepta [Queen conceived without sine],and the other side read: Auxilium Christianorum [Help of Christians].54

    The Pontiff accepted the banner gladly, but he became distressed to see how few were his followers.55

    But the two angels went on: "Go now, comfort your children. Write to your brothers scattered throughout the world that men must reform their lives.56 This cannot be achieved unless the bread of the Divine Word is broken among the peoples.57 Teach children their catechism58 and preach detachment from earthly things.59 The time has come," the two angles concluded, "when the poor will evangelize the world. Priests shall be sought among those who wield the hoe, the spade, and the hammer, as David prophesied: 'God lifted the poor man from the fields to place him on the throne of His people.'"60

    On hearing this, the Pontiff moved on,61 and the ranks began to swell. Upon reaching the Holy City, the Pontiff wept at the sight of its desolate citizens, for many of them were no longer.62 He then entered St. Peter's and intoned the Te Deum,63 to which a chorus of angels responded, singing: Gloria in excelsis Deo et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis [Glory to God in the highest, and peace on earth to men of good will.] When the song was over, all darkness vanished and a blazing sun shone.64 The population had declined greatly in the cities and in the countryside; the land was mangled as if by a hurricane and hailstorm, and people sought each other, deeply moved, and saying: Est Deus in Israel [There is a God in Israel].65

    From the start of the exile until the intoning of the Te Deum, the sun rose 200 times. All the events described covered a period of 400 days.66

    NOTE

    The person reporting these things is the same who unerringly predicted what happened to France a year before it took place. These predictions were widely known and were fulfilled day by day, as if a script were being followed.

    According to this same person, France, Spain, Austria and a German power would be the instruments of Divine Providence in preventing the collapse of civil society and restoring peace to the Church which for so long and in so many way has been fought against. These event would start in the spring of 1874 and would be completed within a year and a few months, unless new iniquities should be perpetrated against God's will.67

    FOOTNOTES

    66 According to Fr. Frank Klauder, S.D.B., in his article "The 200 Day March: Don Bosco and the Millennium," Soul Magazine, Jan./Feb. 1998, p. 6., the chronology of this prophecy is also symbolic. One day equates to one month. Four-hundred days represents 33 years 4 months, which is the time from November, 1965 (the close of Vatican II) to March 1999, another month in which there will be, in accord with the first prophecy, two full moons. The first two-hundred day period marks the 16 years 8 months ending August 1982, which approximates the time during the Pontificate of John Paul II when he began publicly to speak of Our Lady as Corredemptrix (cf. Dr. Mark Miravalle's book, The Final Dogma) and when he decided to consecrate the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. The "rainbow of peace" of the first prophecy would then refer to the era of peace promised by Our Lady at Fatima, when the world would follow the way of Her Immaculate Heart. Although the sun rises 200 times, there are 400 days, indicating that the time period here is not measured literally but symbolically.

    [AA] possible updated comments on the dream:

    It was a dark night (error), and men could no longer find their way back to their own countries...

    <<seems to be the period from 1870's to the 1960's, when the errors of masonic liberalism and nationalism were spreading vehemently as predicted by our Lady of La Salette. The same errors spoken of by Cardinal Ratzinger which were to be "purifiedly" integrated into Catholic practice under Vatican II. True enough, liberalism and nationalism broke the natural virtues of reason and patriotism and brought great confusion into men's minds.>>

    Suddenly a most brilliant light (faith in God and in His power) shone in the sky, illuminating their way as at high noon.46

    <<like the Salesian interpretation, seems to be the Apparition of Our Lady of Fatima, the bright hope in our time of confusion.>>

    At that moment from the Vatican came forth, as in procession, a multitude of men and women, young children, monks, nuns, and priests, and at their head was the Pope.47 (It seems to allude to the suppression of monasteries and schools run by religious and to the Pope's exile.) But a furious storm broke out, somewhat dimming that light, as if light and darkness were locked in battle.48 (Perhaps this means a battle between truth and error, or else a bloody war.)

    <<the start of Vatican II; indeed even after the apparition at Fatima, even after the Pope was guided by reading the Third Secret in private, the Vatican proceeded full speed with the opening of Vatican Council II, which sadly led many Catholics "from every state of life" away from the true essence of "Rome": Sacred Tradition >>

    Meanwhile the long procession reached a small square littered with dead and wounded, many of whom cried for help.49 The ranks of the procession thinned considerably.50

    <<this seems to express the situation of the Church during the time that the laity were asking Archbishop Lefevre to provide them with the Traditional Catholic Liturgy-- probably pointing to the time between the 1960's towards the 1990's. i wonder: can anyone confirm whether the exodus from the Church accelerated during this period?>>

    After a two-hundred day march, all realized that they were no longer in Rome.51

    <<this is the turning point-- when did they "all realize they were no longer in Rome"? As far as i know, only the SSPX have an influential voice in this regard. This would discount all the sedevacantists, for they do not have a wide-reaching audience. When was the Catholic world "effectively alerted" to finally realize the grave deviations happening? Well, it seems in 1988, when the venerable Archbishop Lefevre consecrated the four SSPX Bishops out of emergency, witnessed by the public via television. (At least that's my opinion for now.)

    Of course, the consequence of this idea is that the consecration year would be the mid point of Don Bosco's prophecy-- the first 200 sunrises-- so that we can calculate (well, here i go again!) the possible end year of the prophecy.

    Here's the calculation: {Vatican year}-{SSPX Bishops' year}= 1963-1988 = 25 years; adding 25 years more from 1988 would make it 2013-- again in complete agreement with Fr. Kramer's postulations!

    Sheer coincidence, or is it really addding up to something? Come to think of it, Fr. Kramer does't seem to know of this calculation! Even if we varied {Vatican year}a bit, the answer would still hover somewhere near. All i'm saying is that here's another prophecy that seems to point out that the years leading up to 2013 are going to be a little extra special... i end my comments here. Obviously, all that follows is still in the [near] future, and quite self-explaining-- that in the end, no matter what, Catholic Tradition as laid out by our Lord Jesus will regain its true splendor throughout the rejuvenated world we are all expecting ahead.>>


    In dismay they swarmed about the Pontiff to protect him and minister to him in his needs.52...

    ... and the ranks began to swell. Upon reaching the Holy City, the Pontiff wept at the sight of its desolate citizens, for many of them were no longer.62 He then entered St. Peter's and intoned the Te Deum,63 to which a chorus of angels responded, singing: Gloria in excelsis Deo et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis [Glory to God in the highest, and peace on earth to men of good will.] When the song was over, all darkness vanished and a blazing sun shone.64 The population had declined greatly in the cities and in the countryside; the land was mangled as if by a hurricane and hailstorm, and people sought each other, deeply moved, and saying: Est Deus in Israel [There is a God in Israel].65

    From the start of the exile until the intoning of the Te Deum, the sun rose 200 times. All the events described covered a period of 400 days.66
    Under Her patronage,
    To learn Eternal Truths...
    A flower in mid-blossom
    Singing a hymn of praise:
    Laudate Dominum, omnis terra!