Author Topic: SSPX (Read 7530 times)

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #90 on:** August 18, 2011, 01:10:50 AM »

Quote from: Raoul76

I think we're all on the same page here, for the most part. Clearly modesty in dress is required, and it affects comportment and behavior. A woman in daisy dukes is going to be trying to get attention, otherwise why wear them? But the American SSPX does have the reputation of Amishness and Little House on the Prarie-ness. My theory, expressed recently on Facebook, is that SSPX uses methods like these to exert a certain control on the flock.

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I cannot say what's going on in SSPX since I don't go there. But I've heard too much about the Amish-ness to doubt that it's true. Another rumor you hear is that women compete with each other to see who can have more babies -- another virtue deformed, if this really happens.

On the subject of the dress code, people need to know, it's not just "The more covered up, the better." Catholics are not Muslims and shouldn't be giving the impression that we are. Pius XII even said in an encyclical that we shouldn't dress in a way that will make us stick out among people of our time. That doesn't mean to go around wearing bikinis, but those who really want to find a way to have a modern style while being modest can do it very easily. Nice long dresses never go out of fashion. To dress like some kind of Amish person is basically pride and showing off, it's like moaning and groaning to show how much you're suffering when you fast. It's also a huge turnoff to potential converts. It basically turns the Church into a kind of retro time-machine, and makes it look as if it's a relic instead of still living. But a kind of scruple overtakes people and they think they have to make it known, just by their style of dress, that they totally reject the modern world and are not like anyone else. They end up looking like antiques or museum-pieces and I would bet that people don't take them seriously.

Raoul, you've never stepped foot in an SSPX chapel, and you want to make the conclusion that we dress and act like Amish!?

I think I should extend the comment I directed at lovealabama to you as well, because you probably never encountered any actual Amish either, and being in LA it's no wonder.

I swear, you Californians are from another country!

clare · « **Reply #91 on:** August 18, 2011, 05:56:15 AM »

Quote from: Caminus

Anything that even distracts the mind slightly from the Holy Sacrifice ought to be severely forbidden. This is no trifling matter.

Children!

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #92 on:** August 18, 2011, 08:11:06 AM »

I have not read all these posts because I just don't have time today. But I would like to share something on this topic.

One would be naive to believe that little boys chasing girls is innocent childhood behavior all the time. Perhaps it is at certain developmental ages--maybe 3 or 4.

My daughter is 7. She has never really been to school other than preK for half a day when she was 4. She has 2 older brothers still at home ages 11 and 16. When their friends are over, our daughter goes crazy.

She races outside to wait for them. She wants to sit really close to them on the sofa. She wants to constantly touch them. She giggles flirtatiously with them.

As her mother, I am perfectly aware of this. I CONSTANTLY have to watch her and instruct her about her behavior.

You may think this is "innocent" but I don't believe it is. She is a very feminine little girl. She will probably grow up to be a really wonderful wife and mother. That is constantly on her mind.

Left alone, I believe our daughter might well develop into some of these over-sɛҳuąƖized little girls. For that reason, we won't enroll her in dance classes.

My daughter would benefit from segregated classes. Honestly, I am glad that we home-school.

My point is that everything is not always "innocent." This belief leads down a very dark and dangerous path sometimes.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #93 on:** August 18, 2011, 03:22:50 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Samurai

Quote from: Raoul76

I think we're all on the same page here, for the most part. Clearly modesty in dress is required, and it affects comportment and behavior. A woman in daisy dukes is going to be trying to get attention, otherwise why wear them? But the American SSPX does have the reputation of Amishness and Little House on the Prarie-ness. My theory, expressed recently on Facebook, is that SSPX uses methods like these to exert a certain control on the flock.

...

I cannot say what's going on in SSPX since I don't go there. But I've heard too much about the Amish-ness to doubt that it's true. Another rumor you hear is that women compete with each other to see who can have more babies -- another virtue deformed, if this really happens.

On the subject of the dress code, people need to know, it's not just "The more covered up, the better." Catholics are not Muslims and shouldn't be giving the impression that we are. Pius XII even said in an encyclical that we shouldn't dress in a way that will make us stick out among people of our time. That doesn't mean to go around wearing bikinis, but those who really want to find a way to have a modern style while being modest can do it very easily. Nice long dresses never go out of fashion. To dress like some kind of Amish person is basically pride and showing off, it's like moaning and groaning to show how much you're suffering when you fast. It's also a huge turnoff to potential converts. It basically turns the Church into a kind of retro time-machine, and makes it look as if it's a relic instead of still living. But a kind of scruple overtakes people and they think they have to make it known, just by their style of dress, that they totally reject the modern world and are not like anyone else. They end up looking like antiques or museum-pieces and I would bet that people don't take them seriously.

Raoul, you've never stepped foot in an SSPX chapel, and you want to make the conclusion that we dress and act like Amish!?

I think I should extend the comment I directed at lovealabama to you as well, because you probably never encountered any actual Amish either, and being in LA it's no wonder.

I swear, you Californians are from another country!

Yeah, CS is right. SSPXers aren't like the Amish. There are some notable differences between us and the Amish.

Maybe I should be glad I'm not a Californian. :farmer:

Sigismund · « **Reply #94 on:** August 18, 2011, 04:40:11 PM »

Quote from: clare

Quote from: Caminus
Anything that even distracts the mind slightly from the Holy Sacrifice ought to be severely forbidden. This is no trifling matter.

Children!

Bad preaching and bad music.