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Offline Stubborn

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Re: SSPX official position re: validity of new rite of episcopal consecrations
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2019, 04:02:10 PM »
Instead of Holy Chrism, bishops in the Novus Ordo can use a variety of different oils depending on the area in which they live.

For example, here in California and in Arizona, the bishops will often use Yucca Oil for confirmation.
The doubtful, or likely, the invalidity of all the NO sacraments is one of the many reasons we avoid all things NO for the terrible plague that it is.

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Re: SSPX official position re: validity of new rite of episcopal consecrations
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2019, 04:08:32 PM »
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Beyond that, it is up to the Church to safeguard the sacraments, She's thankfully been doing that for +2000 years, but in order to safeguard anything, you must first presume validity, otherwise She is safeguarding nothing, nothing at all by first presuming invalidity. Right? 
But new-rome isn't the Church, therefore they are not given the graces to safeguard anything.  Tradition (and only Tradition) is the safeguard of the Faith, currently.


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Re: SSPX official position re: validity of new rite of episcopal consecrations
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2019, 04:09:18 PM »
None of the Novus Ordo sacraments are valid precisely because the words have been changed to render these sacramental acts void and fruitless.
You cannot truthfully say they are positively invalid as if you actually know, because you don't actually know, because it is impossible to actually know that all NO sacraments are invalid.


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In my opinion, the SSPX's investigations are fake and a complete cover-up to ease the conscience of a NO Priest who wants to join the SSPX.
I know of a few ex NO priests who joined the SSPX and were conditionally ordained. So while I often agree with your posts, and I know the SSPX upper management is hanging by a NO thread, I cannot agree with this one.

Re: SSPX official position re: validity of new rite of episcopal consecrations
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2019, 04:11:07 PM »
Thank you all. I understand why its not a concern for many on CI. But for me, it's a big issue. Most of my family has not totally "bought in" to my views, so while they have attended the resistance chapel that I attend from time to time, they have comfortable going to the local diocesan Ecclesia Dei and/or FSSP. 

The SSPX locally has a Novus Ordo priest, so for my family...practically speaking the FSSP is closer and is basically offering the same thing. 

Sometimes I try to bridge the divide between my views and theirs in order to ease them towards a more solid Catholic "direction"...but sometimes I fear I am only confirming them in error. 

There seems to be a fine line between trying to help guide people towards something one feels in their conscience is the truth, versus stridently pushing everyone you know away and thereby losing any chance whatsoever of getting them to "come around". 

Besides...I always want to be careful of overlying on my own powers "to figure it all out". The more I read these posts though, the more grateful I am for the priests and bishops who do sacrifice so much to provide the sacraments and for all of the people who have helped me and my family along the way. 

Thank you all again for your responses. God bless. 

Offline Stubborn

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Re: SSPX official position re: validity of new rite of episcopal consecrations
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2019, 04:14:56 PM »
But new-rome isn't the Church, therefore they are not given the graces to safeguard anything.  Tradition (and only Tradition) is the safeguard of the Faith, currently.
But Pax, even a prot baptism cannot be said to be automatically invalid. Automatically illicit, yes. Automatically sinful, yes. Same goes for ordinations, even when done by schismatics. Also, defending the sacraments is not new, it is a Church tradition, a tradition that only the Church will forever remain faithful to.