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« on: March 21, 2012, 07:08:46 AM »
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  • Has anyone noticed that many SSPX families move from all over the state to concentrate themselves near a school? As a result the surrounding chapels and priories with no school begin to decline and have no young people or families left.

    Is this common in the SSPX or just my area?

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    « Reply #1 on: March 21, 2012, 08:07:26 AM »
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  • Well St Marys,KS and Post Falls Idaho in the USA comes to mind. What does everyone else here think?


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    « Reply #2 on: March 21, 2012, 08:57:44 AM »
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  • Yes it is common. I think it is encouraged as well. It's too bad for those left behind, I can see how that would be discouraging for them, but for those families who need the schools and the community life, it can't be helped.

    I think it makes things a bit easier on the priests too. They can get very rundown with the extensive travelling they do. Some of the trips they take on a weekly or semimonthly basis to get Mass to missions are crazy. I don't know how they do it.

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    « Reply #3 on: March 21, 2012, 10:43:51 AM »
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  • Sad to notice that almost every single parish in the 1950's-1960's was such a "mega center." Catholics have sold their birthright for their own eternal destruction.

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    « Reply #4 on: March 22, 2012, 01:43:15 AM »
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    Has anyone noticed that many SSPX families move from all over the state to concentrate themselves near a school? As a result the surrounding chapels and priories with no school begin to decline and have no young people or families left.

    Is this common in the SSPX or just my area?


    I don't think this is very healthy when people congregate in one area just for a school. It is encouraged because they have to keep the money coming in to keep the school open.

    The motivation is the wrong way around. A school is for the education and sanctification of children though when these schools first start up they take questionable children in that bring problems just because the parents will pay.
    In many case the parents of "problem" children bring them there to try and straighten them out but the only thing that happens is you have a hive of problems.
    The almighty dollar is a large motivator in this.
    I don't think any SSPX Priest would give an unbiased opinion about whether you should go to the school or homeschool, because to tell people to home school is telling them not to bring their children and money to the school.

    In the old days you had Priests, bothers, and Sisters teaching for nothing because that was their vocation but now we have legislation that says you need a piece of paper to teach children which really means nothing and you have to pay the teachers.
    Catholic schools are far from what they used to be and far from ideal in this day and age.


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    « Reply #5 on: March 22, 2012, 03:58:34 AM »
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    I don't think this is very healthy when people congregate in one area just for a school. It is encouraged because they have to keep the money coming in to keep the school open.

    The motivation is the wrong way around. A school is for the education and sanctification of children though when these schools first start up they take questionable children in that bring problems just because the parents will pay.
    In many case the parents of "problem" children bring them there to try and straighten them out but the only thing that happens is you have a hive of problems.
    The almighty dollar is a large motivator in this.
    I don't think any SSPX Priest would give an unbiased opinion about whether you should go to the school or homeschool, because to tell people to home school is telling them not to bring their children and money to the school.

    In the old days you had Priests, bothers, and Sisters teaching for nothing because that was their vocation but now we have legislation that says you need a piece of paper to teach children which really means nothing and you have to pay the teachers.
    Catholic schools are far from what they used to be and far from ideal in this day and age.


    An interesting view, Zenith. I agree that government regulations have lessened the quality of schools and result in the schools having to open the doors to people who maybe are not serious about the culture the school has. I see your point about schools being a business, but if they are in competition with home schooling, then it's fair game.

    However, I think schools give many children who are from Catholic families that lack religion a chance to learn about Tradition and possibly the inspiration to follow through with it.

    On the topic, though, I think a church and a school is the basis for a proper parish. Parish life is what "Indult" trads miss out on, because they are always playing the game of rent-a-church, and are at the mercy of the local bishop who at any time may turn around and wipe them out. The SSPX needs to continue its missionary life of sending priests out to the peripheries, because they have a commitment to saving souls, and with the grace of God, some of those missions will take root and themselves become established parishes.


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    « Reply #6 on: March 22, 2012, 07:08:16 AM »
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    Has anyone noticed that many SSPX families move from all over the state to concentrate themselves near a school? As a result the surrounding chapels and priories with no school begin to decline and have no young people or families left.

    Is this common in the SSPX or just my area?


    I don't think this is very healthy when people congregate in one area just for a school. It is encouraged because they have to keep the money coming in to keep the school open.

    The motivation is the wrong way around. A school is for the education and sanctification of children though when these schools first start up they take questionable children in that bring problems just because the parents will pay.
    In many case the parents of "problem" children bring them there to try and straighten them out but the only thing that happens is you have a hive of problems.
    The almighty dollar is a large motivator in this.
    I don't think any SSPX Priest would give an unbiased opinion about whether you should go to the school or homeschool, because to tell people to home school is telling them not to bring their children and money to the school.

    In the old days you had Priests, bothers, and Sisters teaching for nothing because that was their vocation but now we have legislation that says you need a piece of paper to teach children which really means nothing and you have to pay the teachers.
    Catholic schools are far from what they used to be and far from ideal in this day and age.


       I disagree with much of this post.

       The Church teaches that children, optimally, attend a Catholic school.

       Most SSPX churches have no school.

       So it is quite natural that, when possible, you relocate to one that does have a school.

       If you can't, you homeschool.

       The SSPX tries to build schools in order to comply with the Catholic education requirements.

       But until that can happen, parents like me go where the schools are.

       The motivation from the SSPX has nothing to do with money.

       It has to do with trying to maintain some semblance of Catholic normalcy.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #7 on: March 22, 2012, 07:54:30 AM »
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    The Church teaches that children, optimally, attend a Catholic school.


    Is that apostolic tradition?  You must send your child to learn at the parish school?

    Parents are responsible for the education of their children.


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    « Reply #8 on: March 22, 2012, 11:39:20 AM »
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    The Church teaches that children, optimally, attend a Catholic school.


    Is that apostolic tradition?  You must send your child to learn at the parish school?

    Parents are responsible for the education of their children.


    It was the teaching of Pope St. Piux X, who excommunicated latae sententiae parents who sent their children to public schools.

    His direction was that they be sent to Catholic schools.

    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #9 on: March 22, 2012, 11:41:42 AM »
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  • Christian Education
    The Catholic Church has always stressed the essential need for parents to send their children to Catholic schools unless there is no other possible option. Below are teachings from 5 different Popes on the subject:
     

    Catholic Church Teaching on Education:

    The Church cannot approve schools which exclude religion from the curriculum, both because religion is the most important subject in education, and because she contends that even secular education is not possible in its best form unless religion be made the central, vitalizing, and co-ordinating factor in the life of the child. The Church, sometimes, tolerates schools in which religion is not taught, and permits Catholic children to attend them, when the circumstances are such as to leave no alternative, and when due precautions are taken to supply by other means the religious training which such schools do not give. She reserves the right to judge whether this be the case, and, if her judgment is unfavourable, claims the right to forbid attendance" (Letter of Gregory XVI to Irish Bishops, 1831).
    "...Those parents who allow their children to frequent schools where it is impossible to avoid the loss of souls… according to Catholic moral teaching, such parents, should they persist in their attitude, cannot receive absolution in the Sacrament of Penance." Instructions Of The Holy Office To The Bishops Of The U.S., Pope Pius IX, 1875
    "It is, then, incumbent on parents to strain every nerve to ward off such an outrage, and to strive manfully to have and to hold exclusive authority to direct the education of their offspring, as is fitting, in a Christian manner, and first and foremost to keep them away from schools where there is risk of their drinking in the poison of impiety" Sapientiae Christianae, Pope Leo XIII, 1890
    "First, Catholics should not choose mixed schools but have their own schools especially for children. They should choose excellent and reputable teachers for them. For an education in which religion is altered or non-existent is a very dangerous education" Militantis Ecclesiae, Pope Leo XIII, 1897
    "Obviously the need of this Christian instruction is accentuated by the decline of our times and morals. It is even more demanded by the existence of those public schools, lacking all religion, where everything holy is ridiculed and scorned. There both teachers' lips and students' ears are inclined to godlessness. We are referring to those schools which are unjustly called neutral or lay. In reality, they are nothing more than the stronghold of the powers of darkness." Editae Saepe, Pope St. Pius X, 1910
    "Duty of Attending Only Catholic Schools. Catholic children may not attend non-Catholic, neutral, or mixed-schools, that is, those which are open also to non-Catholics, and it pertains exclusively to the Ordinary of the place to decide, in accordance with instructions of the Holy See, under what circumstances and with what precautions against the danger of perversion, attendance at such schools may be tolerated (Canon 1374).
    "1. Neutral schools are those which exclude religion by p rescinding from it, such as the public schools in the United States. Mixed schools are those which admit pupils of any or no religion. Catholic schools, however, even though they admit some non-Catholic pupils, do not come under this classification.
    "2. Does the provision of canon 1374 apply only to elementary and high schools, or also the colleges and universities?
    "a. The natural law itself forbids Catholics to attend schools, whatever their grade, if they are dangerous to faith or morals. Both common experience and many documents of the Holy See prove that this danger may exist not only in the elementary and high school but in college and university as well. (As to elementary and high schools, especially the public schools in the U.S., see Instruction of the Holy Office, 24 Nov., 1875. As to colleges and universities, see S.C. Prop. Fid., 7 Apr. 1860; Fontes, n. 4649, Vol. VII, p. 381, and earlier documents there cited; also S.C. Prop. Fid., 6 Aug. 1867; Fontes, n. 4868, Vol. VII, p. 405.) 'It is almost if not quite impossible for those circumstances to exist which would render attendance at non-Catholic universities free from sin.' (S.C. Prop. Fid., 6 Aug. 1867; Fontes, n. 4868, Vol. VII, p. 405.) It was in regard to universities that the Holy See declared: 'The unformed and unstable characters of young people, the erroneous teaching which is inhaled as it were with the very atmosphere in those institutions without being offset by the antidote of solid doctrine, the great power exerted over the young by human respect and the fear of ridicule on the part of their fellows--all these things produce such a present and proximate danger of falling away, that in general no sufficient reason can be conceived for entrusting for entrusting Catholic young people to non-Catholic universities.' (Encyclical of the S.C. Prop. Fid., to the Bishops of England, 6 Aug. 1867; Fontes, n. 4868, Vol. VII pg. 405.)
    "b. The only thing which this canon adds to the obligation of the natural law is the provision that it is for the Ordinary of the place to decide in accordance with the instructions of the Holy See, under what circumstances and with what precautions against the danger of perversion, such attendance may be permitted... Does it apply equally to colleges and universities? We think that no such strict canonical requirement can be proved... In the absence of such legislation, parents and young people are bound by the natural law to remove effectively the danger of perversion by employing safeguards which are really sufficient. It is prudent and advisable, not strictly obligatory, to consult the Ordinary on the sufficiency of these precautions." From Canon Law: A Text and Commentary, by Bouscaren and Ellis (1951, pgs. 762-4)
    "Another very grave danger is that naturalism which nowadays invades the field of education in that most delicate matter of purity of morals. Far too common is the error of those who with dangerous assurance and under an ugly term propagate a so-called sex-education, falsely imagining they can forearm youth against the dangers of sensuality by means of purely natural, such as a foolhardy initiation and precautionary instruction for all indiscriminately, even in public; and, worse still, by exposing them at an early age to the occasions, in order to accustom them, so it is argued, and as it were to harden them against such dangers. Such persons grievously err in refusing to recognize the inborn weakness of human nature, and the law of which the Apostle speaks, fighting against the law of the mind; Rom., vii, 23. and also in ignoring the experience of facts, from which it is clear that, particularly in young people, evil practices are the effect not so much of ignorance of intellect as of weakness of a will exposed to dangerous occasions, and unsupported by the means of grace.: Pope Pius XI on Sex Education, 1929
    And first, as regards family life, it is of the highest importance that the offspring of Christian marriages should be thoroughly instructed in the precepts of religion; and that the various studies by which youth is fitted for the world should be joined with that of religion. To divorce these is to wish that youth should be neutral as regards its duties to God; a system of education in itself fallacious, and particularly fatal in tender years, for it opens the door to atheism, and closes it on religion" ON THE RELIGIOUS QUESTION IN FRANCE, Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII promulgated on February 8, 1884

    Summary

    Looking at Church teaching, parents have a serious obligation for seeing to proper Catholic education of their children. Catholic children must always be sent to Catholic schools unless not otherwise possible.

    And as we can see from the commentary on Canon Law, even adults must use extreme caution when attending non-Catholic colleges and many courses teach contrary to Catholicism, and are occasions of sin. If we look at our page on "Occasions of Sin", it is itself a sin for us to knowingly put ourselves in the occasion of sin.

    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    « Reply #10 on: March 22, 2012, 11:45:28 AM »
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    Christian Education
    The Catholic Church has always stressed the essential need for parents to send their children to Catholic schools unless there is no other possible option. Below are teachings from 5 different Popes on the subject:
     

    Catholic Church Teaching on Education:

    The Church cannot approve schools which exclude religion from the curriculum, both because religion is the most important subject in education, and because she contends that even secular education is not possible in its best form unless religion be made the central, vitalizing, and co-ordinating factor in the life of the child. The Church, sometimes, tolerates schools in which religion is not taught, and permits Catholic children to attend them, when the circumstances are such as to leave no alternative, and when due precautions are taken to supply by other means the religious training which such schools do not give. She reserves the right to judge whether this be the case, and, if her judgment is unfavourable, claims the right to forbid attendance" (Letter of Gregory XVI to Irish Bishops, 1831).
    "...Those parents who allow their children to frequent schools where it is impossible to avoid the loss of souls… according to Catholic moral teaching, such parents, should they persist in their attitude, cannot receive absolution in the Sacrament of Penance." Instructions Of The Holy Office To The Bishops Of The U.S., Pope Pius IX, 1875
    "It is, then, incumbent on parents to strain every nerve to ward off such an outrage, and to strive manfully to have and to hold exclusive authority to direct the education of their offspring, as is fitting, in a Christian manner, and first and foremost to keep them away from schools where there is risk of their drinking in the poison of impiety" Sapientiae Christianae, Pope Leo XIII, 1890
    "First, Catholics should not choose mixed schools but have their own schools especially for children. They should choose excellent and reputable teachers for them. For an education in which religion is altered or non-existent is a very dangerous education" Militantis Ecclesiae, Pope Leo XIII, 1897
    "Obviously the need of this Christian instruction is accentuated by the decline of our times and morals. It is even more demanded by the existence of those public schools, lacking all religion, where everything holy is ridiculed and scorned. There both teachers' lips and students' ears are inclined to godlessness. We are referring to those schools which are unjustly called neutral or lay. In reality, they are nothing more than the stronghold of the powers of darkness." Editae Saepe, Pope St. Pius X, 1910
    "Duty of Attending Only Catholic Schools. Catholic children may not attend non-Catholic, neutral, or mixed-schools, that is, those which are open also to non-Catholics, and it pertains exclusively to the Ordinary of the place to decide, in accordance with instructions of the Holy See, under what circumstances and with what precautions against the danger of perversion, attendance at such schools may be tolerated (Canon 1374).
    "1. Neutral schools are those which exclude religion by p rescinding from it, such as the public schools in the United States. Mixed schools are those which admit pupils of any or no religion. Catholic schools, however, even though they admit some non-Catholic pupils, do not come under this classification.
    "2. Does the provision of canon 1374 apply only to elementary and high schools, or also the colleges and universities?
    "a. The natural law itself forbids Catholics to attend schools, whatever their grade, if they are dangerous to faith or morals. Both common experience and many documents of the Holy See prove that this danger may exist not only in the elementary and high school but in college and university as well. (As to elementary and high schools, especially the public schools in the U.S., see Instruction of the Holy Office, 24 Nov., 1875. As to colleges and universities, see S.C. Prop. Fid., 7 Apr. 1860; Fontes, n. 4649, Vol. VII, p. 381, and earlier documents there cited; also S.C. Prop. Fid., 6 Aug. 1867; Fontes, n. 4868, Vol. VII, p. 405.) 'It is almost if not quite impossible for those circumstances to exist which would render attendance at non-Catholic universities free from sin.' (S.C. Prop. Fid., 6 Aug. 1867; Fontes, n. 4868, Vol. VII, p. 405.) It was in regard to universities that the Holy See declared: 'The unformed and unstable characters of young people, the erroneous teaching which is inhaled as it were with the very atmosphere in those institutions without being offset by the antidote of solid doctrine, the great power exerted over the young by human respect and the fear of ridicule on the part of their fellows--all these things produce such a present and proximate danger of falling away, that in general no sufficient reason can be conceived for entrusting for entrusting Catholic young people to non-Catholic universities.' (Encyclical of the S.C. Prop. Fid., to the Bishops of England, 6 Aug. 1867; Fontes, n. 4868, Vol. VII pg. 405.)
    "b. The only thing which this canon adds to the obligation of the natural law is the provision that it is for the Ordinary of the place to decide in accordance with the instructions of the Holy See, under what circumstances and with what precautions against the danger of perversion, such attendance may be permitted... Does it apply equally to colleges and universities? We think that no such strict canonical requirement can be proved... In the absence of such legislation, parents and young people are bound by the natural law to remove effectively the danger of perversion by employing safeguards which are really sufficient. It is prudent and advisable, not strictly obligatory, to consult the Ordinary on the sufficiency of these precautions." From Canon Law: A Text and Commentary, by Bouscaren and Ellis (1951, pgs. 762-4)
    "Another very grave danger is that naturalism which nowadays invades the field of education in that most delicate matter of purity of morals. Far too common is the error of those who with dangerous assurance and under an ugly term propagate a so-called sex-education, falsely imagining they can forearm youth against the dangers of sensuality by means of purely natural, such as a foolhardy initiation and precautionary instruction for all indiscriminately, even in public; and, worse still, by exposing them at an early age to the occasions, in order to accustom them, so it is argued, and as it were to harden them against such dangers. Such persons grievously err in refusing to recognize the inborn weakness of human nature, and the law of which the Apostle speaks, fighting against the law of the mind; Rom., vii, 23. and also in ignoring the experience of facts, from which it is clear that, particularly in young people, evil practices are the effect not so much of ignorance of intellect as of weakness of a will exposed to dangerous occasions, and unsupported by the means of grace.: Pope Pius XI on Sex Education, 1929
    And first, as regards family life, it is of the highest importance that the offspring of Christian marriages should be thoroughly instructed in the precepts of religion; and that the various studies by which youth is fitted for the world should be joined with that of religion. To divorce these is to wish that youth should be neutral as regards its duties to God; a system of education in itself fallacious, and particularly fatal in tender years, for it opens the door to atheism, and closes it on religion" ON THE RELIGIOUS QUESTION IN FRANCE, Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII promulgated on February 8, 1884

    Summary

    Looking at Church teaching, parents have a serious obligation for seeing to proper Catholic education of their children. Catholic children must always be sent to Catholic schools unless not otherwise possible.

    And as we can see from the commentary on Canon Law, even adults must use extreme caution when attending non-Catholic colleges and many courses teach contrary to Catholicism, and are occasions of sin. If we look at our page on "Occasions of Sin", it is itself a sin for us to knowingly put ourselves in the occasion of sin.



    Forgot to cite the website I took this from:

    http://www.catholicessentials.net/christianeducation.htm
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    « Reply #11 on: March 23, 2012, 12:06:01 AM »
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    The Church teaches that children, optimally, attend a Catholic school.


    Yes it does. Are you suggesting homeschooling is not a Catholic school?

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    Most SSPX churches have no school.

       So it is quite natural that, when possible, you relocate to one that does have a school.


    Why is this "quite natural"? Relocating just shows people can't think outside the box.

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     The SSPX tries to build schools in order to comply with the Catholic education requirements.
     

    What are Catholic education requirements and how is it they cannot be fulfilled with homeschooling?

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    The motivation from the SSPX has nothing to do with money.


    You cannot say that for sure as I know of cases where money was and is a huge factor.

     

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    « Reply #12 on: March 23, 2012, 12:10:01 AM »
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    The Church teaches that children, optimally, attend a Catholic school.


    Is that apostolic tradition?  You must send your child to learn at the parish school?

    Parents are responsible for the education of their children.


    It was the teaching of Pope St. Piux X, who excommunicated latae sententiae parents who sent their children to public schools.

    His direction was that they be sent to Catholic schools.



    Why are you even talking about public schools? I would say that everyone here would agree they are out of the question.
    The debate is between going to a Catholic school with "qualified" teachers or to a Catholic school at home.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 23, 2012, 12:29:08 AM »
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    Christian Education
    The Catholic Church has always stressed the essential need for parents to send their children to Catholic schools unless there is no other possible option. Below are teachings from 5 different Popes on the subject:
     

    Catholic Church Teaching on Education:

    The Church cannot approve schools which exclude religion from the curriculum, both because religion is the most important subject in education, and because she contends that even secular education is not possible in its best form unless religion be made the central, vitalizing, and co-ordinating factor in the life of the child. The Church, sometimes, tolerates schools in which religion is not taught, and permits Catholic children to attend them, when the circumstances are such as to leave no alternative, and when due precautions are taken to supply by other means the religious training which such schools do not give. She reserves the right to judge whether this be the case, and, if her judgment is unfavourable, claims the right to forbid attendance" (Letter of Gregory XVI to Irish Bishops, 1831).
    "...Those parents who allow their children to frequent schools where it is impossible to avoid the loss of souls… according to Catholic moral teaching, such parents, should they persist in their attitude, cannot receive absolution in the Sacrament of Penance." Instructions Of The Holy Office To The Bishops Of The U.S., Pope Pius IX, 1875
    "It is, then, incumbent on parents to strain every nerve to ward off such an outrage, and to strive manfully to have and to hold exclusive authority to direct the education of their offspring, as is fitting, in a Christian manner, and first and foremost to keep them away from schools where there is risk of their drinking in the poison of impiety" Sapientiae Christianae, Pope Leo XIII, 1890
    "First, Catholics should not choose mixed schools but have their own schools especially for children. They should choose excellent and reputable teachers for them. For an education in which religion is altered or non-existent is a very dangerous education" Militantis Ecclesiae, Pope Leo XIII, 1897
    "Obviously the need of this Christian instruction is accentuated by the decline of our times and morals. It is even more demanded by the existence of those public schools, lacking all religion, where everything holy is ridiculed and scorned. There both teachers' lips and students' ears are inclined to godlessness. We are referring to those schools which are unjustly called neutral or lay. In reality, they are nothing more than the stronghold of the powers of darkness." Editae Saepe, Pope St. Pius X, 1910
    "Duty of Attending Only Catholic Schools. Catholic children may not attend non-Catholic, neutral, or mixed-schools, that is, those which are open also to non-Catholics, and it pertains exclusively to the Ordinary of the place to decide, in accordance with instructions of the Holy See, under what circumstances and with what precautions against the danger of perversion, attendance at such schools may be tolerated (Canon 1374).
    "1. Neutral schools are those which exclude religion by p rescinding from it, such as the public schools in the United States. Mixed schools are those which admit pupils of any or no religion. Catholic schools, however, even though they admit some non-Catholic pupils, do not come under this classification.
    "2. Does the provision of canon 1374 apply only to elementary and high schools, or also the colleges and universities?
    "a. The natural law itself forbids Catholics to attend schools, whatever their grade, if they are dangerous to faith or morals. Both common experience and many documents of the Holy See prove that this danger may exist not only in the elementary and high school but in college and university as well. (As to elementary and high schools, especially the public schools in the U.S., see Instruction of the Holy Office, 24 Nov., 1875. As to colleges and universities, see S.C. Prop. Fid., 7 Apr. 1860; Fontes, n. 4649, Vol. VII, p. 381, and earlier documents there cited; also S.C. Prop. Fid., 6 Aug. 1867; Fontes, n. 4868, Vol. VII, p. 405.) 'It is almost if not quite impossible for those circumstances to exist which would render attendance at non-Catholic universities free from sin.' (S.C. Prop. Fid., 6 Aug. 1867; Fontes, n. 4868, Vol. VII, p. 405.) It was in regard to universities that the Holy See declared: 'The unformed and unstable characters of young people, the erroneous teaching which is inhaled as it were with the very atmosphere in those institutions without being offset by the antidote of solid doctrine, the great power exerted over the young by human respect and the fear of ridicule on the part of their fellows--all these things produce such a present and proximate danger of falling away, that in general no sufficient reason can be conceived for entrusting for entrusting Catholic young people to non-Catholic universities.' (Encyclical of the S.C. Prop. Fid., to the Bishops of England, 6 Aug. 1867; Fontes, n. 4868, Vol. VII pg. 405.)
    "b. The only thing which this canon adds to the obligation of the natural law is the provision that it is for the Ordinary of the place to decide in accordance with the instructions of the Holy See, under what circumstances and with what precautions against the danger of perversion, such attendance may be permitted... Does it apply equally to colleges and universities? We think that no such strict canonical requirement can be proved... In the absence of such legislation, parents and young people are bound by the natural law to remove effectively the danger of perversion by employing safeguards which are really sufficient. It is prudent and advisable, not strictly obligatory, to consult the Ordinary on the sufficiency of these precautions." From Canon Law: A Text and Commentary, by Bouscaren and Ellis (1951, pgs. 762-4)
    "Another very grave danger is that naturalism which nowadays invades the field of education in that most delicate matter of purity of morals. Far too common is the error of those who with dangerous assurance and under an ugly term propagate a so-called sex-education, falsely imagining they can forearm youth against the dangers of sensuality by means of purely natural, such as a foolhardy initiation and precautionary instruction for all indiscriminately, even in public; and, worse still, by exposing them at an early age to the occasions, in order to accustom them, so it is argued, and as it were to harden them against such dangers. Such persons grievously err in refusing to recognize the inborn weakness of human nature, and the law of which the Apostle speaks, fighting against the law of the mind; Rom., vii, 23. and also in ignoring the experience of facts, from which it is clear that, particularly in young people, evil practices are the effect not so much of ignorance of intellect as of weakness of a will exposed to dangerous occasions, and unsupported by the means of grace.: Pope Pius XI on Sex Education, 1929
    And first, as regards family life, it is of the highest importance that the offspring of Christian marriages should be thoroughly instructed in the precepts of religion; and that the various studies by which youth is fitted for the world should be joined with that of religion. To divorce these is to wish that youth should be neutral as regards its duties to God; a system of education in itself fallacious, and particularly fatal in tender years, for it opens the door to atheism, and closes it on religion" ON THE RELIGIOUS QUESTION IN FRANCE, Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII promulgated on February 8, 1884

    Summary

    Looking at Church teaching, parents have a serious obligation for seeing to proper Catholic education of their children. Catholic children must always be sent to Catholic schools unless not otherwise possible.

    And as we can see from the commentary on Canon Law, even adults must use extreme caution when attending non-Catholic colleges and many courses teach contrary to Catholicism, and are occasions of sin. If we look at our page on "Occasions of Sin", it is itself a sin for us to knowingly put ourselves in the occasion of sin.



    There is nothing in here that I disagree with or that suggests homeschooling is not a Catholic School.

    In fact if anything it supports homeschooling.

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    "It is, then, incumbent on parents to strain every nerve to ward off such an outrage, and to strive manfully to have and to hold exclusive authority to direct the education of their offspring, as is fitting, in a Christian manner, and first and foremost to keep them away from schools where there is risk of their drinking in the poison of impiety" Sapientiae Christianae, Pope Leo XIII, 1890


    Here it clearly points out the parent reserve the right and responsiblility given to them by God to make the decision of how they will raise and teach their children.

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    And first, as regards family life, it is of the highest importance that the offspring of Christian marriages should be thoroughly instructed in the precepts of religion; and that the various studies by which youth is fitted for the world should be joined with that of religion. To divorce these is to wish that youth should be neutral as regards its duties to God; a system of education in itself fallacious, and particularly fatal in tender years, for it opens the door to atheism, and closes it on religion" ON THE RELIGIOUS QUESTION IN FRANCE, Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII promulgated on February 8, 1884


    And here you see that family life is of the highest importance in marriage and if anything homechooling is more family orientated than "normal" school.



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    It has to do with trying to maintain some semblance of Catholic normalcy.


    What is Catholic normalcy? The Church teachers that the parents are the first and foremost teachers of children.
    If you are suggesting that the average SSPX school is a normal Catholic school then you are wrong. We don't live in normal times and if we did live in "normal time" then the teachers would be all religious who would not need to be paid and there would be no government interference or curiculums to follow.

     

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