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It seems Poche doesn't want to address the issue.

I did not answer you as soon as you would have liked because my access to the internet is limited.

Look, poche, there is no need for you to answer to these occasional witch hunts. These people have no lives, and are probably frustrated with society so they take out their frustrations on the people they talk to over the internet.

That is not to dismiss all the posters on Cathinfo, just incase some of the carreer trolls take me up on everything I say, but this forum has a problem. Bullying is the problem. You don't have to take this from anyone. At the end of the day, this is just a forum. They don't know you and you have not started any thread to debate any particular point, so this is just attempted bullying in my opinion.

It is best to put these people on ignore. You are probably a good Catholic so don't feel like we are all against you. Maybe spend time reading Christian classics instead of pointless talk on the internet.
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Quote from: RonCal26

Poche,

I can't help but notice the posts you posted supporting the "beatification" of Pope John Paul II, a man who inaugurated apostasy in the highest echelons of the Roman Catholic Church.

I too have a daring question for Poche or anyone who thinks JPII is canonization-worthy, meaning not only miracles, but HEROIC VIRTUES!

Which of the follow is the MOST heroic virtue of John Paul II:
a. inviting devil worshipers into Catholic churches and Catholic shrines to worship and implore their favorite devils for world peace.
b. (attempting to) officially state that the most loyal Catholic bishop in the Church and the loyal Catholic bishops he consecrated all incurred excommunication in a schismatic act
c. allowing altar girls and beyond immodest women in the sanctuary without any repercussions
I too am in agreement that immodest women should not be in the sanctuatry. For that matter they should go home and dress appropriatly before they come to church.
d. signing joint theological declarations with unconverted heretics and schismatics and giving the impression at times that Anglicans have valid orders.
I don't recall Pope John Paul II giving the impression that Anglicans had valid orders. In fact I heard it said that their "primate" was very displeased when his delegation was grouped with the Protestants (who don't have valid orders or apostoliic succesion rather than with the Orthodox who do have valid orders and apostolic succession  
e. Supporting Vatican II wholeheartedly and using the Novus Ordo exclusively since it was introduced ever while allowing and using himself the word “all” in the consecration
f. consecrating Russia without saying “Russia” and further burying Fatima with an at best incomplete third secret and totally false interpretation.
g. protecting and championing the founder of the so called Legionnaires of Christ
My understanding was that Father Maciel knew how to work the system and keep himself under the radar so to speak so taht Pope John Paul II would never learn about his misdeeds. If he failed in respect to this this could explain a part of his terrestrial purgatory that he suffered before he died.  
h. creating World Youth Day, a Woodstock for Catholics
I see the MJCF doing summer camps and organizing dirferent activities. Maybe some of the posters here could join in with them and then tell us how it went.
I understand that they are friendly to the idea of Resistance and they apparently are better organized. Maybe you could hook up with them and see what the possibilities could be. Here is a link to them;
  http://www.mjcf.com/
i. writing virtually impossible to dechiper encyclicals
I didn't have any trouble understanding his encyclicals and moto proprios, especially when he said that the priesthood was reserved only to men.  
j. withholding papal condemnation of the Charismatic Movement and the false apparitions of Medjugorje
Sometimes when there is this type of mystical phenomena there needs to be time for evaluation. In the Acts of the Apostles, Gamaliel, a member of the Sanhedrin gave some very good advice about this.    
k. kissing the Koran
l. caving into the free Masonic practice of cremation



Oh, there are many more “heroic virtues”, but out of the above list which is the MOST heroic and which is your personal favorite?

When he was archbishop of Krakow he was involved in the building of the largest church in the communist bloc. He defied the Communist government to do it. It was in Nowa Huta.    

Why did he lie about the Third Secret of Fatima and accept the false Sister Lucy?
I don't know anything about the third secret of Fatima. If god wishes to reveal it to me the te Deum laudamus.

Why did he pose for immodest photographs?
I don't know anything about immodest photos. If there are any immodest photos floating around please keep them to yourself. I don't think Matthew wants this place to become a den of iniquity.

Why didn't he tell that naked aborigine to get some clothes on?
The naked aborigine was probably getting ready to go swimming. How do you dress when you go swimming?

Why did he smoke a peace pipe in honor of demons?

poche, do you realize that Assisi was blasphemy?

Wait, wait.  Cremation is not a Masonic ritual.  Masons didn't get involved in cremation until 1875.  Before that, and for most of the history of the Church, it punishment for heresy.  Before that, for thousands of years, cremation was a pagan practice.  It was abhorrent to the Church before there ever were any damn Masons.  

If a Mason had once eaten peanut butter, would peanut butter then be a 'Masonic snack'?  One wonders.

Try, try, to think about how easy it is to take  a perfectly valid point like:

"Pope John Paul II caved on cremation, which had never been a Catholic practice. It originated in paganism and was actually used as a punishment for heresy within the Church."

And ruining any chance it has to convince anyone of anything by tying it to the Masons.  

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Wait, wait.  Cremation is not a Masonic ritual.  Masons didn't get involved in cremation until 1875.  Before that, and for most of the history of the Church, it punishment for heresy.  Before that, for thousands of years, cremation was a pagan practice.  It was abhorrent to the Church before there ever were any damn Masons.  

If a Mason had once eaten peanut butter, would peanut butter then be a 'Masonic snack'?  One wonders.

Try, try, to think about how easy it is to take  a perfectly valid point like:

"Pope John Paul II caved on cremation, which had never been a Catholic practice. It originated in paganism and was actually used as a punishment for heresy within the Church."

And ruining any chance it has to convince anyone of anything by tying it to the Masons.  

I did not mean to give the impression that cremation was a Masonic invention or exclusive to the Masons. I thought it was well known that its popularization in modern times stems in large part from its promotion by the Masons as a acceptable practice. Now days, many simply opt for it because it is more affordable.

As far as convincing people, I'm not holding my breath. Apostasy will have her defenders no matter how carefully and precisely you try to present things. In any case, I apologize if I confused anyone or if I am wrong about the 20th century Masonic pressure in favor of cremation.

This whole idea that JPII did one or two good things, therefore (never mind all the crazy stuff) he has to be a saint, is quite alarming.

What about the heretic Martin Luther? He said some good things about Mary. Should we just forget about his heresies and canonize him too? What about Gandhi? He did some nice things too. Should we just forget about the fact that he rejected Christianity and canonize him too? Now that I think of it, I bet there are a few Novus Ordo people out there who would what these guys to be declared saints!

It's similar to the protestant heresy of sola fide. Instead of one act of faith in Jesus and you are saved, it is one "nice" act and BAM you're a saint.