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Offline h1478971

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SSPX and leaving priesthood
« on: April 08, 2011, 03:44:36 PM »
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  • What happens if a priest of say the SSPX were to desire to leave the priesthood what would happen? What should he do, if he finds out that being a priest was not for him after he got ordained.

    How does he get out of the priesthood?

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    « Reply #1 on: April 08, 2011, 03:50:38 PM »
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  • Sacramentally, the priesthood can never be erased as it leaves an eternal mark upon the soul. Tu es sacerdos in aeternum.

    One can ask to be released from his ecclesiastical promises but only a Pope can loosen him from that bond. It is nevertheless not a praiseworthy thing to do. The priest had seven years of seminary formation before being ordained. There is plenty of time to think about what you really want. A priest voluntarily takes it upon himself to take up his cross and follow Christ.

    Think before you act, is what I am trying to say.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 08, 2011, 04:17:43 PM »
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  • He would still be able to hear confessions and do Consecration. No?

    That is invaluable in these times especially.

    If such a priest wanted to leave to get married for instance, is there any way such a priest would be able to still hear confessions and say Mass or would that be schismatic? Or maybe just hear confessions?
    Or do consecrations for people who have NO priests around?

    I am just asking. Plz do not   :heretic:  me.



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    « Reply #3 on: April 08, 2011, 04:24:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Darcy
    He would still be able to hear confessions and do Consecration. No?

    That is invaluable in these times especially.

    If such a priest wanted to leave to get married for instance, is there any way such a priest would be able to still hear confessions and say Mass or would that be schismatic? Or maybe just hear confessions?
    Or do consecrations for people who have NO priests around?

    I am just asking. Plz do not   :heretic:  me.




    This is something that should really be decided BEFORE he joins the priesthood. But if a priest did leave the priesthood for marriage, I highly doubt he could do consecrations, say Mass, or hear confessions. While it does leave a permanent mark on your soul like Exilenomore said, you can't be allowed to say Mass if you're married.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 08, 2011, 04:43:13 PM »
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    He would still be able to hear confessions and do Consecration. No?

    That is invaluable in these times especially.

    If such a priest wanted to leave to get married for instance, is there any way such a priest would be able to still hear confessions and say Mass or would that be schismatic? Or maybe just hear confessions?
    Or do consecrations for people who have NO priests around?

    I am just asking. Plz do not   :heretic:  me.




    This is something that should really be decided BEFORE he joins the priesthood. But if a priest did leave the priesthood for marriage, I highly doubt he could do consecrations, say Mass, or hear confessions. While it does leave a permanent mark on your soul like Exilenomore said, you can't be allowed to say Mass if you're married.


    Thank you. I wanted to make sure there were no loopholes.
    It is sad because we need priests so badly.
    Maybe such a priest could find someone to $pon$or him for an independent chapel or he could do locum tenens.

    Its just that we need priests so badly.

    Time to go do Stations of the Cross. brb.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 08, 2011, 04:51:00 PM »
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    He would still be able to hear confessions and do Consecration. No?

    That is invaluable in these times especially.


    No heretic, schismatic or apostate can ever give a valid confession, but they can consecrate the Eucharist validly, although illicitly.

    Heretics cannot give a valid absolution in confession, since all heretics, or people who are outside the Catholic Church, lacks jurisdiction.

    There are something which is called supplied jurisdiction, but that is ONLY granted to all Catholic priests in necessity, so that they can give valid absolution to the penitent, but then again, this would only be granted to a non-Heretical Catholic priest, and not a heretic, schismatic or apostate.

    St. Thomas Aquinas explains this as following:

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    St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Supp., Q. 38, Art. 2, Obj. 1: "The effect of absolution is nothing else but the forgiveness of sins which results from grace, and consequently a heretic cannot absolve, as neither can he confer grace in the sacraments. Moreover in order to give absolution it is necessary to have jurisdiction, which one who is cut off from the Church has not."


    St. Thomas was here speaking about both am automatic excommunication for heresy, schism or apostasy, and a declared excommunication for sins of various kinds. A heretical priest can never be granted jurisdiction unless he convert from his heresy and joins the Catholic Church again, since he is outside of it as long as he remains in heresy, but an excommunicated Catholic priest who has lost his jurisdiction because of sins, is still a Catholic priest, although in state of grave sin. So since a priest who has been excommunicated for sins is still a Catholic, he would be granted jurisdiction in necessity.

    The Council of Trent explains as following:

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    The Council of Trent, The Fourteenth Session, CHAPTER VII. On the Reservation of Cases: "Wherefore, since the nature and order of a judgment require this, that sentence be passed only on those subject (to that judicature), it has ever been firmly held in the Church of God, and this Synod ratifies it as a thing most true, that the absolution, which a priest pronounces upon one over whom he has not either an ordinary or a deligated jurisdiction, ought to be of no weight whatever... Nevertheless, for fear lest any may perish on this account, it has always been very piously observed in the said Church of God, that there be no reservation at the point of death, and that therefore all [Catholic] priests may absolve all penitents whatsoever from every kind of sins and censures whatever[/u]: and as, save at that point of death, priests have no power in reserved cases, let this alone be their endeavour, to persuade penitents to repair to superior and lawful judges for the benefit of absolution."



    So, as we've just seen, no heretical, schismatical or apostate priest, can ever give a valid absolution, that confession was thus invalid. This would make all confessions buy almost all priests in the entire world invalid, since almost all priests are heretics, who either accepts an antipope as pope, or believe in one or more heresies.


    Fr. Demaris, a Missionary of St. Joseph and professor of theology in Lyon, France, and who remained faithful during the upheaval caused by the French Revolution, when many priests had apostatized by joining the French Constitutional Church, he speaks to Catholics how God will remit their sins if they make a sincere confession to God along with the promise to confess to a Catholic priest when one becomes available. He speaks of making a good confession, just as they would if a Catholic priest were available:

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    Fr. Demaris: "Removed from the resources of the sanctuary and deprived of all exercise of the Priesthood, there remains no mediator for us save Jesus Christ. It is to Him we must go for our needs. Before His supreme Majesty we must bluntly tear the veil off our consciences and in search of the good and bad we have done, thank Him for His graces, confess our sins and ask pardon and to show us the direction of His Holy Will, having in our hearts the sincere desire to confess to His minister whenever we are able to do so. There, my children, is what I call confessing to God! In such a confession well made, God himself will absolve us. It is thus in all painful situations that deprive us of the Sacraments. The carrying of the Cross like a Christian is the source of the remission of our sins…

    "…Console yourselves, my children, in the trust you have in God. This tender Father will pour on you His graces, His blessings and His mercies in these awful moments that you fear, in more abundance than if you were being assisted by His ministers, of whom you have been deprived only because you wouldn’t abandon Him. The abandonment and forsakenness that we fear for ourselves resembles that of the Savior on the Cross when He said to His Father, 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'…Your pains and abandonment lead you to your glorious destiny in ending your life like Jesus ended His! …Don’t be surprised at the great number who quit! Truth wins, no matter how small the number of those who love and remain attached to God. God watches over us, our hope is justified. It tells us that either the persecution stops or the persecution will be our crown. In the alternative of one or the other, I see the accomplishment of our destiny. Let God’s will be done, since in whatever manner He delivers us, His eternal mercies pour into us."


    So, as explained above by Fr. Demaris, God will not abandon us if we remain faithful to Him. The last test in this great apostasy and the end of the world WILL BE ABOUT OBEDIENCE TO GOD AND HIS COMMANDMENTS, and not about receiving illicit, invalid, blasphemous sacraments from the hands of priests who confects these sacraments in a state of mortal sin! We have no reason to approach a heretical or schismatical priest, since we have no obligation to do so, and neither can such priests ever give us a valid confession or absolution, neither can they give us a licit Eucharist, but only a blasphemous and mortally sinful Eucharist unto our own damnation, if we persist in obstinately approaching a heretical or schismatical priest for mass and the sacraments. If we eat Jesus unworthily, we eat Him unto our own damnation (1 Corinthians 11:29).

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    « Reply #6 on: April 08, 2011, 10:08:35 PM »
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  • Such a priest could validly celebrate Mass, although he should not and it seems to be that it wiould be gravely sinful for him to do so.

    You need jurisdiction to hear confessions.   Canon Law (if I am not mistaken) gives faculties to absolve to any validly ordained priest, even an excommunicated one, if the penitent is in danger of death.  I can't imagine how an absolution from such a priest could be valid in any other circumstances.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #7 on: April 08, 2011, 10:41:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: h1478971
    What happens if a priest of say the SSPX were to desire to leave the priesthood what would happen? What should he do, if he finds out that being a priest was not for him after he got ordained.

    How does he get out of the priesthood?


    He would need to be laicized.  I am not sure how the SSPX would handle such a situation, except to refer such a priest to Rome; the SSPV, CMRI, etc., would, I believe, have no formal mechanism to deal with such a situation.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 08, 2011, 11:07:54 PM »
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  • From 1917 Code:

    http://www.sspx.org/miscellaneous/supplied_jurisdiction/validity_of_confessions_3.htm##5

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    #2. Without prejudice to the rule of #3 of this Canon, the faithful may for any just reason ask the Sacraments and Sacramentals from an excommunicated person especially if there is no other minister available, and the excommunicated person at their request may minister to them without any obligation to inquire into the reason for the request.
     
      #3. From a minister who is an excommunicatus vitandus, or who has been excommunicated by a declaratory or condemnatory sentence, the faithful may ask for sacramental absolution in accordance with Canons 882 and 2252 only in danger of death, but, in the absence of other ministers, they can also ask for the other Sacraments and Sacramentals. (Canon 2261)

     
     

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    « Reply #9 on: April 09, 2011, 08:00:11 AM »
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  • The 1917 Code has been abrogated:

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    Can. 6 §1. When this Code takes force, the following are abrogated:
     1º the Code of Canon Law promulgated in 1917;
     2º other universal or particular laws contrary to the prescripts of this Code unless other provision is expressly made for particular laws;
     3º any universal or particular penal laws whatsoever issued by the Apostolic See unless they are contained in this Code;
     4º other universal disciplinary laws regarding matter which this Code completely reorders.
     §2. Insofar as they repeat former law, the canons of this Code must be assessed also in accord with canonical tradition.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 09, 2011, 10:44:19 AM »
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  • The traditional community is very small so for one to leave the priesthood and stay a practicing Catholic in the traditional community, he would not likely be able to remain anonymous. (Just for consideration).

    If there are no formal ways to resign, I would just send a letter of resignation to my immediate superior and perhaps the congregation that I was serving. At the same time, I would hire a lawyer to go over any contracts or monetary obligations  that may be pending.
    Since most of the Churches are quasi independent, I would want to make sure that I did not owe the organization anything in way of money or time or that they could possibly say that I did.
    And get it in writing. Everything.

    Say good-bye to the people if one wishes but if its too painful send a letter.
    Then go to confession, if that's possible.  :confused1:
    Then take a break for awhile before making any more serious life decisions.

    I hope everything turns out okay.

    Pray.


     

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