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Offline love alabama

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« on: August 15, 2011, 12:08:03 PM »
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  • I found this posted on FE
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    Is it just me or is it true that there seems to be a group among the SSPX that hold that women should only wear skirts, that little boys should not play with girls, a general trend towards Amishness in behavior such as desiring to go back to the land etc, an insistence on large families etc, shunning the world inordinately ?

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    « Reply #1 on: August 15, 2011, 01:48:40 PM »
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  • ...Sez the worldly Catholic.

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    « Reply #2 on: August 15, 2011, 02:11:35 PM »
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  • He/she sure mixed a bunch of largely unrelated things together in one thought there.  :facepalm:
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    « Reply #3 on: August 15, 2011, 03:04:17 PM »
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  • FishEaters is not Catholic. Never visit their forums with the impression that Catholics are posting there. That's false.
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    « Reply #4 on: August 15, 2011, 05:32:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: love alabama
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    Is it just me or is it true that there seems to be a group among the SSPX that hold that women should only wear skirts, that little boys should not play with girls, a general trend towards Amishness in behavior such as desiring to go back to the land etc, an insistence on large families etc, shunning the world inordinately ?


    This idea of keeping little girls and boys from playing with eachother is so un-natural and I do see this problem in parts of SSPX.

    I once heard that in a particular minor seminary the Priest in charge wanted to keep the young boys from having anything to do with girls coming to the Chapel there for Mass.

    That makes me sick to think how warped this thinking is.

    I can understand that in high school, boys and girls need to be kept separate as they are a distraction to eachother in their teenage years and will learn better when separated.
    Though to keep little boys and girls apart just show to me how far removed from nature some of these people have become.

    I know a few men who have left the seminary and the ones I know seem to have real issues relating to the opposite sex.

    What do they teach them in there? Do they get taught that its a sin to look at a woman and to talk to her is even worse?

    I really cannot stand absolute prudes!


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    « Reply #5 on: August 15, 2011, 10:41:58 PM »
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    I found this posted on FE
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    Is it just me or is it true that there seems to be a group among the SSPX that hold that women should only wear skirts, that little boys should not play with girls, a general trend towards Amishness in behavior such as desiring to go back to the land etc, an insistence on large families etc, shunning the world inordinately ?


    This idea of keeping little girls and boys from playing with eachother is so un-natural and I do see this problem in parts of SSPX.

    I once heard that in a particular minor seminary the Priest in charge wanted to keep the young boys from having anything to do with girls coming to the Chapel there for Mass.

    That makes me sick to think how warped this thinking is.

    I can understand that in high school, boys and girls need to be kept separate as they are a distraction to eachother in their teenage years and will learn better when separated.
    Though to keep little boys and girls apart just show to me how far removed from nature some of these people have become.

    I know a few men who have left the seminary and the ones I know seem to have real issues relating to the opposite sex.

    What do they teach them in there? Do they get taught that its a sin to look at a woman and to talk to her is even worse?

    I really cannot stand absolute prudes!


    Firstly comparing us to Amish is retarded. Women should wear skirts, we should have as many kids as God wants etc. Except for this comment about keeping little boys and girls from playing together...
    uh around here I can state for a fact that is not the case. At our School Our Lady of Mount Carmel it is co-ed up until High School when they are seperated. The Girls go to get taught by the Nuns.  

    I was just over there Sunday, a new Priest said his first mass ever there and they had a giant pig roast. It was yummy. And I remember all the little kids boys and girls running around playing with each other, especially when it rained and they all went out to get soaked in the rain. Apparently kids enjoy running around in the rain lol.

    Hope this helps.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 16, 2011, 04:00:33 PM »
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    « Reply #7 on: August 16, 2011, 05:31:26 PM »
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    Firstly comparing us to Amish is retarded. Women should wear skirts, we should have as many kids as God wants etc. Except for this comment about keeping little boys and girls from playing together...


    At my parochial grade school the boys and girls play areas were integrated up to grade two, then separated until grades 7 and 8.  Of course it was outrageous the sorts of things that went on in the hardly supervised recess area for the 7th and 8th graders.

    From what I recall from developmental psychology boys and girls typically don't want to play together.  We did chase girls on the playground in second grade - we were finally given a "talk" about how we were too young to be interested in girls . . .

    This person is creating a straw man in saying that "amish" types don't want boys and girls to play together.  The important thing is to guard innocence and prevent serious misbehavior by proper supervision while allowing for proper interaction of the sexes.

    The SSPX priests will tell young women to ignore a man who says hello to them at church - this after having already met.  This is more about control though than it is about protecting innocence.  There are some very sick control freaks - and the confessional is their way to manipulate and feel powerful.


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    « Reply #8 on: August 16, 2011, 05:46:45 PM »
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    From what I recall from developmental psychology boys and girls typically don't want to play together.  We did chase girls on the playground in second grade - we were finally given a "talk" about how we were too young to be interested in girls . . .


    Yes at certain ages boys and girls do think of eachother as "yuck".

    I think it is rediculous and totally prudish to have to be given a talk about being too young to be interested in girls. This can be totally innocent and doesn't mean that you are interested in them
    This "stait jacket" mentality is not healthy or normal.

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    This person is creating a straw man in saying that "amish" types don't want boys and girls to play together.  The important thing is to guard innocence and prevent serious misbehavior by proper supervision while allowing for proper interaction of the sexes.


    Of course it is important to guard innocence though children at a young age, if their minds have not already been perverted and corrupted already, do not need to be separated like sheep and goats to prevent them getting up to no good. A little suppervision can do that.

    There is no balance in this. On one end of the scale we have public schools handing out bananas and condoms and other the other we have those in Taditional schools shaking in their boots because they think the girls and boys may look at eachother.

    As I said this is not healthy or normal. What we need it a balance and moderation for healthy balanced Catholic children.


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    The SSPX priests will tell young women to ignore a man who says hello to them at church - this after having already met.  This is more about control though than it is about protecting innocence.  There are some very sick control freaks - and the confessional is their way to manipulate and feel powerful.


    Yes you may have had a bad experience Tele though this does not mean all SSPX Priests are like this.
    I think its time that you build and bridge and get over your bad experience and realise there is more to life than bearing grudges. There is a whole world out there and more than just that one Priest.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 16, 2011, 05:56:07 PM »
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    does not mean all SSPX Priests are like this.


    There were several priests there and the same policy was imposed.  And I was told they have a "praxis" that reinforces that behavior.  You yourself said you saw the problem was general.

    Whether it's a personal grudge or not doesn't change that it's an injustice committed by priests who have a twisted sense of Catholic morality - and it must be rectified.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 16, 2011, 05:57:05 PM »
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    The important thing is to guard innocence and prevent serious misbehavior by proper supervision while allowing for proper interaction of the sexes.


    This is exactly it. The only time I've seen segregation in SSPX is at school when the children are there to concentrate on school not flirtation. Otherwise there may be a few parents that go too far the other way until they learn but it's not the norm to segregate the children in regular social settings and the priests I've heard speak on it focus on supervision. If they're preaching against it, it's usually in the context of UNsupervised parties or gatherings.



    I really hate these kinds of posts. As if non-trad women are all fashionable compared to trad women (yeah that's how we got People of WalMart  :rolleyes:) or non-trad men and women are sooooo smooth and debonair and charming with the other sex (worthy of another  :rolleyes: for the endless rules and mind games they have to play to keep up that facade just to fail miserably) and trads have a supposedly unique set of problems that NO one else in history has ever had  :rolleyes:. You only need half a brain to realize these are challenges common to all in some way, shape or form, but apparently that's too much to ask of some people.

    (I'm a little grouchy at this moment, I'm sure that's coming across, I'm sorry. I probably shouldn't be reading stuff that I know will irritate me further.)


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    « Reply #11 on: August 16, 2011, 05:58:25 PM »
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    I think it is rediculous and totally prudish to have to be given a talk about being too young to be interested in girls. This can be totally innocent and doesn't mean that you are interested in them
    This "stait jacket" mentality is not healthy or normal.


    I don't think so.  Dirty talk among children is not correct, nor is chasing girls correct behavior for young boys.  It should be corrected, even if relatively benign.

    Coeducation is generally bad, at puberty it's criminal, but men and women have different objectives for their education, their education should not be integrated except in exceptional cases.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 16, 2011, 06:01:32 PM »
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    The important thing is to guard innocence and prevent serious misbehavior by proper supervision while allowing for proper interaction of the sexes.


    This is exactly it. The only time I've seen segregation in SSPX is at school when the children are there to concentrate on school not flirtation. Otherwise there may be a few parents that go too far the other way until they learn but it's not the norm to segregate the children in regular social settings and the priests I've heard speak on it focus on supervision. If they're preaching against it, it's usually in the context of UNsupervised parties or gatherings.



    I really hate these kinds of posts. As if non-trad women are all fashionable compared to trad women (yeah that's how we got People of WalMart  :rolleyes:) or non-trad men and women are sooooo smooth and debonair and charming with the other sex (worthy of another  :rolleyes: for the endless rules and mind games they have to play to keep up that facade just to fail miserably) and trads have a supposedly unique set of problems that NO one else in history has ever had  :rolleyes:. You only need half a brain to realize these are challenges common to all in some way, shape or form, but apparently that's too much to ask of some people.

    (I'm a little grouchy at this moment, I'm sure that's coming across, I'm sorry. I probably shouldn't be reading stuff that I know will irritate me further.)


    These women complaining about "Amish" dress no doubt feel guilty for wearing immodest jeans, shorts, etc.

    The girls at my chapel were usually dressed in a very charming manner - perhaps a bit eccentric sometimes, but I'd much prefer eccentricity to the trash fashions.

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    « Reply #13 on: August 16, 2011, 06:15:40 PM »
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    I don't think so.  Dirty talk among children is not correct, nor is chasing girls correct behavior for young boys.  It should be corrected, even if relatively benign.


    What dirty talk and what do you mean when you say dirty?

    Tell me what dirty things you have heard Catholic children saying.

    If you think that chasing girls is wrong then I think you have a problem with prudishness. Could you tell me what about it is wrong? By the way I'm talking about in the playground and not in the class room.

    I've seen girls and boys chase eachother plenty of times at Church and its perfectly innocent childish behaviour.

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    « Reply #14 on: August 16, 2011, 06:21:22 PM »
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  • Tele it seems that when if comes to chasing girls yourself, that you are not so fond of going through the right channels, i.e. the father, though when it comes to understanding the behaviour of children, you are a prude.

    Can you see what I am saying? On one hand you don't take seriously enough the proper rules of Catholic dating and coutship and on the other you are over proper and prudish with the behaviour of children.

    I may be wrong though to me there is a little inconsistency here.

     

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