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Offline CM

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« on: September 12, 2009, 03:08:54 AM »
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  • St. John of the Cross, in his work "The Dark Night of the Soul" (I, vi), dissects what he calls spiritual gluttony. He explains that it is the disposition of those who, in prayer and other acts of religion, are always in search of sensible sweetness; they are those who "will feel and taste God, as if he were palpable and accessible to them not only in Communion but in all their other acts of devotion."

    This he declares is a very great imperfection and productive of great evils.


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    « Reply #1 on: September 12, 2009, 03:28:24 AM »
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  •   The opinions of spiritual master are very different. Mysticism is not a matter of infaliblity. in the book 'third spiritual alphabet' the author believes that even praying for the sake of mere spiritual plasure is good. Since the human soul cannot live long without consolation and if one doesn't find it in God, he will try to take delight in creature and fall into sin.

    About the book: St. Teresa of Avila practiced contemplative prayer for periods of one hour at a time, twice a day. In her Life she recounts that she found this very difficult for the first several years. She had no one to teach her, and taught herself from the instructions given in a book, The Third Spiritual Alphabet by Francisco de Osuna.

    Read here:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=2EUCQbUkNXAC&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=%22third+spiritual+alphabet%22&source=bl&ots=ZzBit_Vxsq&sig=4nlhBhNFQfW958UhiOclR3Hl9Jg&hl=en&ei=M1qrSuL9H5WGsAajiJ3eBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false


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    « Reply #2 on: September 12, 2009, 02:01:56 PM »
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  • Yes, but you did not describe the various kinds of "spiritual sweetness" he talked about.  Another kind of spiritual sweetness is an exaggerated asceticism that gives itself more and more penances, a kind of sadomasochism that takes pleasure in penances and thus robs them of the very nature of penance.

    Chapter VI, i-ii
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    For some of these persons, attracted by the pleasure which
       they find therein, kill themselves with penances, and others weaken
       themselves with fasts, by performing more than their frailty can bear,
       without the order or advice of any, but rather endeavouring to avoidf an
       those whom they should obey in these matters; some, indeed, dare to do
       these things even though the contrary has been commanded them.

       2. These persons are most imperfect and unreasonable; for they set
       bodily penance before subjection and obedience, which is penance
       according to reason and discretion, and therefore a sacrifice more
       acceptable and pleasing to God than any other. But such one-sided
       penance is no more than the penance of beasts, to which they are
       attracted, exactly like beasts, by the desire and pleasure which they
       find therein.


    All throughout these passages he talks about those who don't obey their confessors, who resent them for not being as fervent as they claim that they themselves are, and stresses the virtue of obedience.  I described this elsewhere, speaking of Jansenists, as a kind of addiction to rules, that sometimes possesses people to the point that they ADD rules to the Catholic religion that simply are not there.  But obedience enjoins us to neither add nor subtract from the laws of the Church.

    When you read a book like this, you shouldn't read it for the sections that may flatter you, disregarding the rest, or even using it as a means to criticize others.  You should read it for the sections that admonish you.  Otherwise you are not making effective use of it.  Who that has spent any time on CathInfo recently can deny how perfectly St. John of the Cross describes myself in this passage?  

    Chapter IV, vi
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    Sometimes, again, there arises within these spiritual persons,
       whether they be speaking or performing spiritual actions, a certain
       vigour and bravado, through their having regard to persons who are
       present, and before these persons they display a certain kind of vain
       gratification. This also arises from luxury of spirit, after the manner
       wherein we here understand it, which is accompanied as a rule by
       complacency in the will.


    This book seems rather harsh but it trains you to always mistrust yourself.  Taking too much pleasure in prayer can lead to arrogance unless you remind yourself that whatever spiritual benefits God bestows on us come from Him alone, gratuitously, not from any merit in ourselves, so that you receive the gifts He sends, no matter how great, with a chastened spirit.  There have been times where I've felt I was on the verge of an ecstasy that, by the direction of the Holy Ghost, I then cut off, because I don't feel I'm ready for it.  I'll get up and go to bed right at the moment when I'm starting to tap a vein of "spiritual sweetness."  At this point somber, dry prayer, as well as even a feeling of disapproval from God, may be protecting me from more sins of pride.

    This kind of muted "ecstasy within sobriety" seems to me the safest course for most of us.  If you are going to venture on a "Journey of the Mind To God" such as St. Bonaventure you'd better have passed through lots of spiritual dryness first.  And there are very few who, having reached that point, should even talk about it -- St. Bonaventure being an exception, because someone has to instruct others that such heights even exist to be aimed for.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 12, 2009, 02:06:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Catholic Martyr
    St. John of the Cross, in his work "The Dark Night of the Soul" (I, vi), dissects what he calls spiritual gluttony. He explains that it is the disposition of those who, in prayer and other acts of religion, are always in search of sensible sweetness; they are those who "will feel and taste God, as if he were palpable and accessible to them not only in Communion but in all their other acts of devotion."

    This he declares is a very great imperfection and productive of great evils.


    In order to advance in spirituality, one must be familiar with the art and science of abandonment. God will grant you the "nice feelings" at times, but He will take them away after awhile to test your devotion. Then if you persevere, He will give them back, etc, etc. I was just reading about this the other day in "The Way of Divine Love".



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    « Reply #4 on: September 12, 2009, 07:55:42 PM »
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  • I don't know that I'm so spiritually advanced, not by any means, believe me, but all feeling is gone from prayer for me and I'm as unintentionally distracted as one can possibly be, and to the most mundane and/or worldly kinds of things more often than not. Still in all, thankfully I really do love God.
    Loving mother of the Redeemer, gate of heaven, star of the sea, assist your people who have fallen yet strive to rise again. To the wonderment of nature you bore your Creator, Yet remained a virgin after as before. You who received Gabriel's joyful greeti


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    « Reply #5 on: September 12, 2009, 07:58:39 PM »
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  • I love Him in my own wimpy kind of way, of course.
    Loving mother of the Redeemer, gate of heaven, star of the sea, assist your people who have fallen yet strive to rise again. To the wonderment of nature you bore your Creator, Yet remained a virgin after as before. You who received Gabriel's joyful greeti

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    « Reply #6 on: September 12, 2009, 07:59:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jacafamala
    I don't know that I'm so spiritually advanced, not by any means, believe me, but all feeling is gone from prayer for me and I'm as unintentionally distracted as one can possibly be, and to the most mundane and/or worldly kinds of things more often than not. Still in all, thankfully I really do love God.


    Try making frequent ejaculations.

    My God, I love thee!