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Offline Petertherock

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Specific teachings on Islam
« on: August 20, 2014, 10:00:17 AM »
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  • So, we have people here claiming that Jєωry is worse than Islam because of the quotes from the Saints...so here are quotes from the Saints on Islam...

    https://www.facebook.com/AdoremusInAeternumACatholicGathering/posts/821234041244840?notif_t=notify_me

    SPECIFIC TEACHINGS AGAINST ISLAM


    Pope Eugene IV, Council of Basel, Session 19, Sept. 7, 1434: “… there is hope that very many from the abominable sect of Mahomet will be converted to the Catholic faith.”

    Pope Callixtus III, 1455: “I vow to… exalt the true Faith, and to extirpate the diabolical sect of the reprobate and faithless Mahomet [Islam] in the East.”

    The Catholic Church considers Islam an “abominable” and “diabolical” sect. [Note: the Council of Basel is only considered ecuмenical/approved in the first 25 sessions, as The Catholic Encyclopedia points out in Vol. 4, “Councils,” pp. 425?426.] An “abomination” is something that is abhorrent in God’s sight; it’s something that He has no esteem for and no respect for. Something “diabolical” is something of the Devil. Islam rejects, among many other dogmas, the Divinity of Jesus Christ and the Trinity. Its followers are outside the pale of salvation so long as they remain Muslims.

    Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne, 1311?1312: “It is an insult to the holy name and a disgrace to the Christian faith that in certain parts of the world subject to Christian princes where Saracens [i.e., the followers of Islam, also called Muslims] live, sometimes apart, sometimes intermingled with Christians, the Saracen priests, commonly called Zabazala, in their temples or mosques, in which the Saracens meet to adore the infidel Mahomet, loudly invoke and extol his name each day at certain hours from a high place… There is a place, moreover, where once was buried a certain Saracen whom other Saracens venerate as a saint. This brings disrepute on our faith and gives great scandal to the faithful. These practices cannot be tolerated without displeasing the Divine Majesty. We therefore, with the sacred council’s approval, strictly forbid such practices henceforth in Christian lands. We enjoin on Catholic princes, one and all… They are to remove this offense together from their territories and take care that their subjects remove it, so that they may thereby attain the reward of eternal happiness. They are to forbid expressly the public invocation of the sacrilegious name of Mahomet… Those who presume to act otherwise are to be so chastised by the princes for their irreverence, that others may be deterred from such boldness.”

    ...and from the greatest book of all:

    "Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father, and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son, hath the Father also."
    - 1st Epistle Of Saint John 2:22-23 -

    "And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world."
    - 1st Epistle Of Saint John 4:3 -
    Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou, shew us the Father?  Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?  The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works.Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? Otherwise believe for the very works' sake. Amen, amen I say to you, he that believeth in me, the works that I do, he also shall do; and greater than these shall he do.  Because I go to the Father: and whatsoever you shall ask the Father in my name, that will I do: that the Father may be glorified in the Son.If you shall ask me any thing in my name, that I will do.
    - Gospel According to Saint John 14:9-15 -

    You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
    - Gospel According to Saint John 8:44 -

    "Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me. If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also: and from henceforth you shall know him, and you have seen him."
    - Gospel According to Saint John 14:6-7 -

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    Sorry, Vatican II and its followers, as you are scandalously pandering to the Muslims, they are calling us blasphemers and infidels, burning and killing our brethren:

    --------"The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting." ~Nostra Aetate, para 3

    "But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind." ~Lumen Gentium, para 16 (mirrors the CCC, para 841)--------

    The wicked Qur'an shows you but ONE of the instances where we are referred to as "blasphemers" for our belief in the Holy Trinity (Surah 5:72-75), and we are headed to hell.
    They DENY Jesus as the Son of God, and it is even listed as such in the index, verbatim: JESUS IS NOT ALLAH 5:17, 5:72, 9:30-31


    So we ask, how can the god of the Muslims be the God of Catholicism? How can a god void of the Trinity be God? How can a council "hold in esteem" and cozy up to "our impious and ruthless enemy the Turk [i.e., Muslims] who was never at rest.... the Turk, our cruel and perpetual enemy...." -Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, Bull of Indiction, MDXLII (1542)
    Remember the Battle of Lepanto!

    If anyone does not confess that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit
    are one nature or essence, one power or authority, worshipped as a trinity
    of the same essence, one deity in three hypostases or persons, let him be
    anathema. For there is one God and Father, of whom are all things, and one
    Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and one Holy Spirit, in
    whom are all things. ~THE ANATHEMAS OF THE SECOND COUNCIL OF CONSTANTINOPLE (553 AD)

    “Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved." ~Acts 4:12, Douay Rheims


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    Specific teachings on Islam
    « Reply #1 on: August 20, 2014, 12:55:51 PM »
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    « Reply #2 on: August 20, 2014, 01:05:20 PM »
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  • Your defense of the State of Israel is the defense of evil.  It is that simple.

    Even if Islam is a greater evil that Israel, they are both evil.  You cannot defend either.

    Who Obama likes or dislikes is completely irrelevant.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 20, 2014, 01:39:09 PM »
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  • Petertherock, why did you waste your (and everyone else's) time on this pointless exercise in copy-and-paste strawman pugilism when any chance of profiting from such intellectual dishonesty was already obviated in the following excerpt from the poll thread?

    Quote from: BTNYC

    There are plenty of Church writings against the Mohammedans. See St John Damascene, for example. But the Church never saw the Mohammedans as a worse evil than the Jєωs. The Church is not lacking polemics written against Moslems, but there is no example anywhere in those writings of anything as strongly acrimonious as St. John Chrysostom's Eight Homilies, or the writings of St. Paul, or the words of Our Lord Himself...

    Why do you suppose that is?