I found this on another traditional Catholic message board:
The dismissive response to Bishop Williamson's speculations indicates an increasingly reflexive distaste for prophesy on this forum, [AngelQueen] which, in turn, indicates a lack of appreciation for the relevance of the supernatural to the "real world". Although some will protest that their comments merely point out the lack of prudence in date-picking, I suspect that their reaction would not have been much different if the bishop, instead of "2008" had said "soon". But, of course the vague "soon" would have removed all sense of urgency, and the Bishop's message would have little effect. The Bishop is not "hung up" on dates; he simply has some information about the date 2008 which he considers worth pointing out. He is a shepherd, after all. A shepherd who sees the signs of bad weather approaching does what he can to protect the flock.
I have also noted, in regard to the effect Pope's admission that the TLM had never been abrogated, and the issuance of his moto, , which Bishop Fellay has accurately identified as a "supernatural event", the tendency of many on this forum to predict, with a worldly-wise confidence, that it will take "generations" for the Church to right itself.
So I would like to talk about dates, timing, and prophesy, with a special emphasis on Fatima. And I would like to talk about a change that has occurred on this forum, a change which, in my opinion, has a chilling effect upon those of us who understand that Fatima is the supernatural key to not only restoring the Church (and so the world) but also the key to an authentic renewal vastly superior to the rather defensive Church of the 50's. In fact, this change on Angelqueen, this new atmosphere is inconsistent with the very raison d'etre for this forum, i. e. to be a place for traditional Catholics to join and freely discuss the situation in which we find ourselves at this point in history.
But first, the issue of dates, and then the more general issues of timing and the attitude toward prophesy.
There is a lot to be said about the significance of particular dates, starting with the date, 1960, when Fatima was officially suppressed (just as, a few years later, the TLM would be suppressed).
Fatima did not go away, however. So, after the biblical forty years, JPII tried to kill it again.
First, he provided a spurious alternative: JPII, who considered himself to be a geopolitician seemed to think that the date 2000 would usher in a renewed christianity of "reciprocal enrichment", aka, ecuмenism and religious peace.
Then, to grease the skids to world unification, he attempted to relegate the "divisive" (how true!) Fatima into the past, the ash-heap of history, by revealing the vision part of the Third Secret, while concealing the explanation of the vision and substituting an obvious lie. Incredibly, the claim was made--with an astounding contempt for the intelligence of the faithful--that the wounding of JP II himself was the content of the Third Secret, thus placing the Third Secret in the prior century, the prior millennium--that time of the warring ideologies which was now thankfully over thanks in large part to the Great Work (labour of the sun?) of JP the Great.
It didn't work. Instead of the New Pentecost, the "new" religion of secularism, modernity, "democracy", and free trade globalism (the neocon "end of history") has continued its Trotskyite advance, which ironically provokes an increasingly nationalistic Russia. I say "ironic" because the neocon ideology which has hijacked U.S. foreign policy, is a morphed error of Communist Russia, a false messianic movement aimed at a new anti-christian world order. Both masonry and communism are essentially gnostic and so freedom (western antinomianism in morals and business) and equality (a democracy ruled by a super-rich cryptocracy) can be synthesized in a world assembly of men of good will aligned with the one divinity within each and every man without exception. This is the masonic "fraternity" and conciliar (and Slavic) "solidarity" known as "love" in conciliar-speak and aptly called "luv" by Bishop Williamson.
If anti-christ is to enter the world stage as a peace-maker (as is clear from the revelations in Scripture and tradition) there must be a war, savage and large enough to make the world desperate for peace.
The plausibility and spiritual usefulness of Bishop Williamson's comments cannot be evaluated without a prior understanding of the times we are in. Where are we in history? We are in the Great Apostasy. I'm not going to argue about this because it is truly the unspoken-about gorilla in the room which haunts even the unchurched. Things are going bad. At the same time there are intelligent man, men who are serious and certain of their own good will, full of gravitas--who can be seen on fora such as the Charlie Rose show and who appear to be the "adults" who know what is going on and how to fix it. And yet they are all blind and crazy, just like the conciliar churchmen that we are so thoroughly sick of.
The mantra is--"Globalism is irreversible and it is here to stay." These men are, despite all the contrary evidence that simple people see, prophets of peace and prosperity in One unified world.
But, if we are in the Great Apostasy and we are, we know that antichrist is on the horizon. He will come as a peacemaker, which means that he will be preceded by war. He will make peace, a final synthesis, and he will be assisted by an apparent "Church" that will have gone whoring after the false, immanent, god of this world, the god of "what is in Man". This will be the schismatic, apostate Whore of Babylon, located in the city of seven hills, which by the usual Catholic interpretation signifies Rome.(But we are not supposed to talk about this!)
It is necessary to understand that we are now in an apocalyptic (and Fatima-warned) time line.
This does NOT mean that recourse to the study and contemplation of Fatima is to become obsessed with "Doomsday Events". Fatima is not about the End of the World. It is about apostasy, tribulation, war, culminating in Victory (that's right, the "Millennium" without even the hint of Millenarianism. Our Pope is on record as stating that the idea that a time of peace follows the defeat of antichrist is a permissible opinion.)
Ultimately we are on a time line that ends with a promised triumph and a certain time of peace. According to the Apocalypse things will happen suddenly. So, it is possible that war will break out soon, just as it is possible that economic collapse, plagues, and floods will happen soon.
Remember how the Matrix opened with the message "Wake up, Neo"? The Matrix was a thoroughly gnostic film---The message means "wake up to the divine power within you, your inalienable greatness and dignity!". "Neo" is short for "neophyte", the term for a candidate about to enter into the gnostic initiation. That "wake up" call has been heard everywhere and the religion it initiates people into is the religion that turns men into the Seed of the serpent.
We also have been given a wake up call--an identification of the causes that lead men to Apostasy, War, and Hell. The call was from the Mother of God and the remedy offered for these three essentially related evils was the the perfect orientation and disposition to sancifying grace that can easily obtained by the contemplation of and true devotion to, Mary.
One of these evils--War--will belatedly lead to the fully obedient and sincere consecration of Russia--another supernatural act by the Pope and the bishops in union with him.
And yet, despite the overwhelming signs that we are in apocalyptic times and that --as is evident from the stubborn cover up--The Third Secret is the warning of and the remedy for the Great Apostasy, there is, on this forum for traditional, SSPX friendly Catholics a coldness, a suspicion, and a disbelief in Fatima.
This incomprehensible attitude begins at the top--with Servitum, the owner of the forum who has finally admitted his disbelief (along the lines of Fr. Dhanis) of the reliability of Sr. Lucy's transmission of the Fatima messages--and explains the generally dismissive reaction to the seriousness that Bishop Williamson gives to prophesy in general.
The turning point in the direction of this forum, a preliminary to Servitum's honest admission of his inability to accept the full Fatima message, was his irrationally splenetic attack on Malachi Martin, a true devotee of the Blessed Mother, who knew the contents of the Third Secret and often said in regard to the conciliarists who thought that they had succeeded in converting the Church to their modernistic view, "when a man loses his faith, he does not knowthat he has lost it". This statement strikes me as the key to understanding the strange inability of modernists to recognize that they are in contradiction to tradition.
My point is that Malachi Martin had a genuine insight into the Great Apostasy. He based it on a lack of the practice of devotions, particularly to Our Blessed Mother, that other "sign of contradiction". So Fatima was about the current apostasy and about devotion to Mary, the very remedy for that apostasy. Malachi Martin, then, was an apologist for Fatima, who was attacked on this forum ad hominum by Servitum, who later dropped the other shoe--his disbelief in Fatima-- with surprisingly little reaction. The ground had been prepared.
The Third Secret is about the loss of the Faith, the Great Apostasy. But the general attitude on this Catholic forum seems to be increasingly luke-warm to the Fatima message and prophesy in general, despite the report of Sr. Lucy that Our Blessed Mother said "Only I can save you now.
There will be a schism and the schismatics will appear to be the "Church of Rome". As Malachi Martin said, (I paraphrase), "What is going to happen will shake the Faith of just about everyone."(But we are not supposed to refer to Malachi Martin!)
Now, to you, Servitum, just so you won't think I don't appreciate what you have accomplished I would like to say that AngelQueen was, until recently, a great forum. You have done a lot of good. Even now there is no better traditional forum. But really, as a traditional Catholic, you need to do more than merely tolerate Fatima.
Secondly, I understand your resistance to Fatima may be based on the perception that it is somehow cultish, superstitious, and unmanly. But this distaste for Fatima would not survive a deep immersion in Marian theology, contemplation of the works of St. Louis de Montfort. and St. Max. Kolbe and the study of Fatima itself. Angelus Press carries the book Mary, Mother of Divine Grace which is very good. So is Fr. Garrigou-LaGrange's Mother of the Saviour.
Thirdly, you should retract your unnecessary attack on Malachi Martin. You will feel better if you do.
Finally, Fatima is not optional. The full message is necessary so that, when everything comes down, men and women will know that their Mother did what was possible, given the hard hearts of men set in their evil ways. Fatima is primarily about the loss of the Faith, and True Devotion to Our Lady of Fatima is the way to the true knowledge of the God Who conceived Her, redeemed Her, created Her, and dwells in Her.
There are three keys to victory: (1) The Mass. (2) The Pope. (3) True Devotion to Mary, Vessel of Honor, Singular Vessel of Devotion--Mary is the True Grail. The Pope has started with the Mass. When he finally obeys Mary there is no power that will be able to withstand the Church. The murder of the Pope for his loving, trusting, obedience to Mary, will be a martyrdom, and an acceptable sacrifice, that will radiate the graces of conversion to the world. Another "supernatural action" by the Pope.
Good night, everybody. And good night, Mrs. Calabash, where ever you are!
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