Author Topic: Some Protestants get it (Read 1459 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2010, 03:27:11 PM »

With regards to courtship, it is a Protestant error to believe that a father's permission to marry is required for marriage. Not that one shouldn't ask.

http://books.google.com/books?id=0jtGAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=%22the+religious+state%22+bellarmine+luther&source=bl&ots=aaeJN0yxW5&sig=IWca9G98u87tgUi4KP78fzPw94A&hl=en&ei=bZmFS-WmBpHANdfdhTQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22the%20religious%20state%22%20bellarmine%20luther&f=false

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2010, 03:54:42 PM »

As far as I understand it, courtship is about chaste behavior, and only getting to know someone of the opposite gender with a view to possible marriage -- not for mere fun & recreation.

It's true that two adults don't need anyone's permission to marry -- though ideally the parents would know what's best for their child, that's not always the case. Two adults can marry as long as they do so within the Church.

Matthew

Raoul76 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2010, 12:39:22 AM »

MaterDominici said:

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Raoul introduced the concept of Quiverfull to me, but this quote is not in line with his use of the term. Is this a new thing? I should look up the term and see what I find...

Say what, Mrs. Matthew? Yes it is. The Protestant Quiverfull means "have as many kids as come down the pike."

Ladislaus · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2010, 05:52:55 AM »

How sad. Used to be the other way around, that Catholics welcomed whatever children God gave them and Protestants limited their families through contraception. According to projections, based on birth rates and conversion rates in the 1950s, the US would have been a majority Catholic country by now.

Belloc · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2010, 06:49:40 AM »

My point indeed in posting this article.....they have, as protestants, many errors, but also so rather Catholic thinking....again, prayers they see the light of Catholicism before its too late..

Ladislaus · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2010, 08:19:58 AM »

I myself have a bit of a soft spot for the Amish way of life. (Note: I am not hereby endorsing or condoning their heresies. :sign-surrender:)

sedetrad · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2010, 08:30:24 AM »

From what I have read and heard, the amish live a much more natural law way of life and are much nicer to their neighbors charity wise than traditional catholics. I read and article and saw a weblog where a group of amish got together to raise a new barn for someone whose burnt down in a day. This was not a small barn either. It would have cost someone over 70,000 to pay someone to do it. I have never seen Catholics or anyone else be this charitable.

Belloc · « **Reply #9 on:** February 25, 2010, 08:44:51 AM »

Actually, in community life and practice, the Amish are retaining the Distributist/Middle Ages Catholic mentality...property is owned and private, but Amish pitch in to help one another w/o Govt interfernce and take care of each other..they have a deep faith, but also, I cannot in any way endorse anabaptism....but their lives and focus are correct...just their theology is whacked...also, of course, the Church and distributists have never opposed all innovation and technology...

a good commentary was in the movie Harvest of Fire.the liberated FBI agent Sally(Lolita davidovich) was talking to Amish widow Sarah (Patty Duke) and asked her if she missed all the modern conviences.:

Annie Beiler: Getting from one place to another quickly does not add time to our lives. What is important is being truly present wherever we are.
Sally Russell: But don't you miss some of the gadgets, the technology?
Annie Beiler: For us it is a question of what we must forfeit to have them. If I accept the television, I must lose conversations with my children. If I accept the car, the airplane, must I also accept weapons of war? Where do you draw the line?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** February 25, 2010, 08:08:23 PM »

I remember when some crazy guy went and shot up a school house, hitting ten little girls, five of whom died. Yet the Amish came out publicly and said that they forgave the shooter.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14900930

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Forgiving the Killer

Charles Roberts wasn't Amish, but Amish families knew him as the milk truck driver who made deliveries. Last month, it was announced that the Amish community had donated money to the killer's widow and her three young children.

It was one more gesture of forgiveness, gestures that began soon after the shooting.
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"I think the most powerful demonstration of the depth of Amish forgiveness was when members of the Amish community went to the killer's burial service at the cemetery," Kraybill says. "Several families, Amish families who had buried their own daughters just the day before were in attendance and they hugged the widow, and hugged other members of the killer's family."

We live near Amish country and have always admired them. Of course, I've met some of them who clearly appear to have a screw (or two or many) loose.

As a computer programmer who sits behind a desk all day, I sometimes envy their simpler way of life, close to nature.

Would Traditional Catholics be able to forgive like this?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2010, 08:26:23 PM »

What is this, an Amish lovefest?

There is no charity without unity. All their good deeds are for naught because they aren't helping anyone get into heaven.
It's a shame they can't see the larger picture which is that they are part of a schism that has devastated humankind.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2010, 08:44:47 PM »

Oh, come on, Raoul, you think like a follower of the condemned proposition that everything outside the Church is sin and evil.

There are things called natural virtues, and consideration of how the Amish seem at times to have more natural virtue than many Catholics should humble us, for we know that we should far exceed them in virtue given the graces God has given us. That's why the saints considered themselves the worst sinners. It wasn't some pious hyperbole. They really believed it. They believed it because they knew how many free undeserved graces God had given them and felt they should have responded more to them--while at the same time they could not judge others since they could not know what graces other received. Poor St. Bernadette was in agony on her deathbed wondering if she'd be saved thinking about all the graces she thought she had wasted.

Belloc · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2010, 01:54:34 PM »

has he heard of natural law, written on the hearts of men?

or fact that Prots, esp Amish, have retained some Catholic things all these yrs?