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Offline Disputaciones

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« on: August 17, 2014, 02:00:54 PM »
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  • I was wondering if anyone might know what it is correctly called when a man behaves and speaks like a woman, while not necessarily being himself a sodomite or a professed "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ".

    To behave and speak like a woman is not to be effeminate. Effeminacy is something different altogether, having to do with sadness and not with unnatural sins.

    l realize most people think this is what being effeminate is, but it is not.


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    « Reply #1 on: August 18, 2014, 07:33:06 AM »
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  • Effeminate.

    http://i.word.com/idictionary/Effeminate


    Where did you get your definition of effeminate?

    Of course, "sissy" and a few other words inappropriate for posting here work, too.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 18, 2014, 06:41:49 PM »
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    Where did you get your definition of effeminate?


    From McHugh and Callan's moral theology.

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    2456. (B): Opposed to steadfastness by deficiency is the vice of effeminacy or weakness, by excess the vice of pertinacity. The effeminate person, lacking stamina to go on in a necessary good, surrenders to weariness or opposition by abandoning the undertaking or by taking up with evil (Matt., xi. 7, 8). The pertinacious person continues in the course he has begun when right reason bids him to discontinue, as when one has taken a vow and does not wish to accept the dispensation which a change of circuмstances necessitates. These sins are venial unless they go counter to a grave duty, as when an effeminate person gives up the resolution to avoid a very dangerous occasion of sin, or the headstrong person determines to fast during the remainder of Lent when this will seriously injure his health.


    The word seems to have been perverted just like "scandal" has.

    Now scandal also means a loud noise or a commotion or some other disorder, not the spiritual ruin of others.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 18, 2014, 07:48:27 PM »
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  • Epicene.  

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    « Reply #4 on: August 18, 2014, 10:11:00 PM »
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    Epicene.  


    That sounds like the name of a medicine.  :laugh1:


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    « Reply #5 on: August 18, 2014, 10:36:15 PM »
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  • I'm so tired of liberal-minded people who want to qualify unnatural behavior keep arguing with me about the definition of effeminate.  

    Changing the definition of a word is a liberal attempt to gain control for your side in a debate.  (Such as the word "Jєω," which is used in so many ways--it's a trap.  Use the term "Judaic" or "the Judaics" or "that Judaic person" to avoid that trap.)

    Anyway...

    It is plain as day.  We are all grown adults.  You know damn well what effeminate means.  


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    « Reply #6 on: August 19, 2014, 07:07:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: Disputaciones
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    Where did you get your definition of effeminate?


    From McHugh and Callan's moral theology.

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    2456. (B): Opposed to steadfastness by deficiency is the vice of effeminacy or weakness, by excess the vice of pertinacity. The effeminate person, lacking stamina to go on in a necessary good, surrenders to weariness or opposition by abandoning the undertaking or by taking up with evil (Matt., xi. 7, 8). The pertinacious person continues in the course he has begun when right reason bids him to discontinue, as when one has taken a vow and does not wish to accept the dispensation which a change of circuмstances necessitates. These sins are venial unless they go counter to a grave duty, as when an effeminate person gives up the resolution to avoid a very dangerous occasion of sin, or the headstrong person determines to fast during the remainder of Lent when this will seriously injure his health.


    The word seems to have been perverted just like "scandal" has.

    Now scandal also means a loud noise or a commotion or some other disorder, not the spiritual ruin of others.


    It seems that the word has the same meaning today as it did in the 1828 edition of Webster's Dictionary:

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    EFFEM'INATE, a. [L. effoeminatus, from effoeminor, to grow or make womanish, from foemina, a woman. See Woman.]

    1. Having the qualities of the female sex; soft or delicate to an unmanly degree; tender; womanish; voluptuous.
    The king, by his voluptuous life and mean marriage, became effeminate, and less sensible of honor.
    2. Womanish; weak; resembling the practice or qualities of the sex; as an effeminate peace; an effeminate life.
    3. Womanlike, tender, in a sense not reproachful.
    EFFEM'INATE, v.t. To make womanish; to unman; to weaken; as to effeminate children.

    EFFEM'INATE, v.i. To grow womanish or weak; to melt into weakness.

    In a slothful peace courage will effeminate.


    It also seems that this is how McHugh and Callan are using the word in the context quoted above.  Disputaciones's definition:

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    To behave and speak like a woman is not to be effeminate. Effeminacy is something different altogether, having to do with sadness and not with unnatural sins.


    doesn't even make sense in the context of McHugh and Callan.  Nor can I find any dictionary the gives his definition.  It is Disputaciones who has perverted the word, not everyone else.

    LaramieHirsch is absolutely right.  The perversion of language comes from the liberal-minded who want to qualify perversions and unnatural behavior.  And why do they so much desire to destroy and change the understanding of words?  

    Quote from: George Orwell, 1984
    Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?


    By subtlety adjusting the definitions of certain words and eliminating others altogether, the liberals hope to make even though idea of unnatural behavior something that cannot even be conceived, let alone understood.  Frankly, they have been very successful as fewer and fewer people can even understand what the problems are of these vices and behaviors.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 19, 2014, 09:20:24 AM »
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    . . .

    It is plain as day.  We are all grown adults.  You know damn well what effeminate means.


    Am I missing something?  The thread just seems silly to me.  Is there some kind of angle or agenda to this thread, Hirsch?


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    « Reply #8 on: August 19, 2014, 09:39:05 AM »
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    . . .

    It is plain as day.  We are all grown adults.  You know damn well what effeminate means.


    Am I missing something?  The thread just seems silly to me.  Is there some kind of angle or agenda to this thread, Hirsch?


    Perhaps you should read the entire topic from the beginning.  LaramieHirsch is not the one with the agenda.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 19, 2014, 10:40:26 AM »
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  • Count me in as another poster who doesn't quite get the point of this thread.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #10 on: August 19, 2014, 11:16:51 AM »
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    . . .

    It is plain as day.  We are all grown adults.  You know damn well what effeminate means.


    Am I missing something?  The thread just seems silly to me.  Is there some kind of angle or agenda to this thread, Hirsch?


    Perhaps you should read the entire topic from the beginning.  LaramieHirsch is not the one with the agenda.


    No--I asked Hirsch what he was indicating the OP's agenda is.  I have read the entire thread from the beginning.  And I fully understand and agree about language being twisted to promote modernism/liberalism.  But it's not clear to me that that's what the OP was doing.

    So y'all think he was trying to take away a word used to negatively describe sissies and others with fαɢɢօt tendencies?  Maybe so, but I didn't see anything in his posting history to indicate her have such an agenda.  I'm glad he was set straight about the vocabulary all the same.

    If y'all have seen anything more clearly indicating that that's his agenda, please point it out and I'll tear into him.

    His vocabulary and word comprehension skills are clearly lacking.  Has there been any other push to make "effeminate" mean what OP says he thinks it means?


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    « Reply #11 on: August 19, 2014, 11:25:29 AM »
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    . . .

    It is plain as day.  We are all grown adults.  You know damn well what effeminate means.


    Am I missing something?  The thread just seems silly to me.  Is there some kind of angle or agenda to this thread, Hirsch?


    I suppose I got down-thumbed because somebody with poor comprehension thought I was starting something with Hirsch.  That wasn't what I was doing and I don't think Hirsch downthumbed me.

    Anyway, please show me something to indicate that Disputaciones was driving at what y'all think he was driving at.  I'm not defending him--his take on "effeminate" is at least stupid.  But what clearly indicates that he's pushing an agenda?

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    « Reply #12 on: August 19, 2014, 11:33:42 AM »
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    Count me in as another poster who doesn't quite get the point of this thread.


    Glad to see it's not just me.  I looked back over Disputaciones' previous posts and nothing jumped out showing him to be modernist/liberal.  And I have never heard the dumb definition that he attaches to "effeminate" before.  But I do acknowledge that screwy definitions and vocabulary in dealing with that issue is rightfully considered very suspect.

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    « Reply #13 on: August 19, 2014, 04:43:28 PM »
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  • Gee whiz, I'm not a liberal nor do I have any "hidde agenda". I just thought effeminate always and only meant for a man to behave, speak, etc. like a woman but what McHugh and Callan said about it didn't seem like that at all.

    Talk about rash judgment.

    In 1669 of McHugh and Callan we find this:

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    ...effeminacy (i.e., instability in the face of sadness).


    What I already posted:

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    2456.b: Opposed to steadfastness by deficiency is the vice of effeminacy or weakness, by excess the vice of pertinacity. The effeminate person, lacking stamina to go on in a necessary good, surrenders to weariness or opposition by abandoning the undertaking or by taking up with evil (Matt., xi. 7, 8). The pertinacious person continues in the course he has begun when right reason bids him to discontinue, as when one has taken a vow and does not wish to accept the dispensation which a change of circuмstances necessitates. These sins are venial unless they go counter to a grave duty, as when an effeminate person gives up the resolution to avoid a very dangerous occasion of sin, or the headstrong person determines to fast during the remainder of Lent when this will seriously injure his health.


    And this:

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    2459.b: The precepts of patience and perseverance are also negative, and hence it is never lawful to be guilty of stolidity, impatience, effeminacy or stubbornness...Patience itself never  ceases to be a virtue, but there is a pseudo-patience which consists in toleration of evils that should not be tolerated, and which is not a virtue but a kind of supineness or spinelessness that pertains
    to effeminacy rather than to patience.


    Those are all the places in this moral theology book where effeminacy/effeminate appear, as far as I'm concerned, and NONE of that seems to have anything to do with a man behaving, speaking etc. like a woman.