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Offline Boniface

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« on: December 06, 2009, 02:20:04 PM »
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    •  Any thoughts on smoking cigarettes being detrimental to mortifying the body and keeping one's will in check? The same can be applied, if not even moreso, to marijuana, which makes people lazy and complacent.

     I do know, however, that before Vatican II it was not at all rare to see members of the clergy smoking.

     
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    Offline roscoe

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    « Reply #1 on: December 06, 2009, 02:52:23 PM »
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    • Two Popes are on record as condemning tobacco. None are on record condemning any green herb. The only authority for this is Boniface and all others who believe they are the magisterium of Holy Church. MJ is an invaluable substance for the treating of many illnesses including mental ones. This is why it is specifically blessed by God when  using the term herbs in the plaural(sp) form -- so no Jansenist heretic can come along and start a masonic teatotaling drug war. The KJV uses the singular.

    If Boniface ar any other heretic wants to interpret the Bible that way, I would suggest formally converting to the Prots( which you already are as a Jansenist( Calvinist) anyway. Then you can conjur up a scenario where MJ is Illicit.
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    Offline Boniface

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    « Reply #2 on: December 06, 2009, 02:57:45 PM »
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    • Actually it is a sin to smoke it unless you have a cannibis card and are obtaining it legally. It would be a sin since it is illegal in this country. Just like how once I heard a traditional priest say we sin if we speed while driving - since we are breaking the law.
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    « Reply #3 on: December 06, 2009, 03:24:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe
    Two Popes are on record as condemning tobacco.


    Show the "condemnation", please.

    Pope St. Pius X smoked cigars.  When some tried to present this as an obstacle to beatification/canonization, they were summarily told to put the proverbial sock in it, as there is nothing intrinsically wrong with smoking.  I smoke a pipe, and the occasional cigarette, myself.
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    « Reply #4 on: December 06, 2009, 03:35:30 PM »
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    The only authority for this is Boniface and all others who believe they are the magisterium of Holy Church.


    Said the man who has pronounced Boniface an heretic!  LOL!  :laugh2:

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    MJ is an invaluable substance for the treating of many illnesses including mental ones.


    There is a LARGE opening here, roscoe, but I shall refrain. :wink:

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    The KJV uses the singular.


    Which means what, exactly?  The KJV is an heretical production of heretics.

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    If Boniface or any other heretic wants to interpret the Bible that way...


    So, you, the great roscoe, have concluded that Boniface is an heretic?  Based upon what, exactly?
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    « Reply #5 on: December 06, 2009, 04:21:39 PM »
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    • In a prev discussion it was noted by another poster that Urban VIII and Innocent X pronounced ex-communication on anyone partaking in the use of tobacco. I don't believe for a minute that Pius X smoked cigars. What is the source for this info?

    The Prot bible uses the singular herb. Therfore a scenario can be conjured up that that MJ is illicit because it can be debated as to which herb the bible is referring to. Not so with the Catholic Bible.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 06, 2009, 04:28:39 PM »
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    • oh roscoe.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 06, 2009, 05:15:12 PM »
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    • Not a very Catholic sentiment. Is this all you have Boniface?
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    « Reply #8 on: December 06, 2009, 05:16:21 PM »
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    • Pius X declared Boniface 7 and 8 to be anti-popes. There is one more to go. Ciao
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    « Reply #9 on: December 06, 2009, 05:18:20 PM »
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    • Sorry -- the above is the throne of the anti-pope Boniface. Assumedly it is still in the Cathedral( or adjoining papal palace) in Agnani.
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    « Reply #10 on: December 06, 2009, 05:22:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe
    In a prev discussion it was noted by another poster that Urban VIII and Innocent X pronounced ex-communication on anyone partaking in the use of tobacco.


    Solid source.  Many children have spoken about their imaginary friends, too.

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    I don't believe for a minute that Pius X smoked cigars.


    I don't care.

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    What is the source for this info?


    You are a bit on the disingenuous side in asking such, as when I asked for your source, you just mentioned another poster/thread!  HeL-Lo-O, McRoscoe! :fryingpan:
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    « Reply #11 on: December 06, 2009, 05:42:35 PM »
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    • At least I gave you a source.
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    « Reply #12 on: December 06, 2009, 05:44:16 PM »
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    « Reply #13 on: December 06, 2009, 06:01:37 PM »
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    • Truth is that I have requested the source for the allegation that Pius X smoked cigars b4 and it was never supplied.
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    « Reply #14 on: December 06, 2009, 06:04:56 PM »
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    • Dear Marvin,

    I am a practicing Catholic, a cigar smoker and a devotee, like Fr. H Jay Setter, of the French horn and chamber music.

    Reading of his defense of cigars as not being a vice, I was reminded of a story that a cigar smoking priest of the Diocese of Tulsa, who is now in training for the Vatican diplomatic corps, told me. When he was a seminarian in Rome, he learned that Pius X, who was the pope from 1903 to 1914, called a bishop onto the carpet to reprimand him for his scandalous misbehavior with wine, women and song, and to correct his wrongs patiently.

    The pope offered the errant bishop a cigar from the papal humidor on his desk. The bishop declined the offer with the protestation, "I do not have that vice, Your Holiness," to which His Holiness replied, "If cigars were a vice, I would not offer you one, for you have quite enough vices already."

    After his death, Pope Pius X was canonized a saint and is now known as St. Pius X. According to Catholic belief, a saint is a holy person who is now in heaven. Although Pope Pius X may not have become St. Pius X because he smoked cigars, smoking cigars apparently did not keep him from being a holy man who is now in heaven. Indeed, cigars may have helped him be holy.

    Let us salute not only Fr. H but also St. Pius X, whom we may regard as the patron saint of us cigar aficionados.

    T. Gavin King
    Claremore, Oklahoma


     from the website:  http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Archives/CA_Show_Article/0,2322,1164,00.html

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