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Offline Cantarella

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« on: November 26, 2013, 12:10:49 AM »
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  • Can the sins of parents be passed down from generation to generation? Exodus 20 speaks of "visiting the iniquity unto the third and fourth generation."

    What is the Catholic teaching on that? Are sins (mortal and not confessed) passed down in families?
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #1 on: November 26, 2013, 12:53:38 AM »
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  • Yes, this can be easily observed. Just look around you.
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    « Reply #2 on: November 26, 2013, 03:26:35 AM »
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  • The apple does not fall far from the tree?
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    « Reply #3 on: November 26, 2013, 07:15:10 AM »
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  • I would think that Parents in sin, show bad example to their children and lead them to sin and that is what is meant by this....


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    « Reply #4 on: November 26, 2013, 07:20:56 AM »
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  • There's the demons/curses running in family aspect, and the simple 'learning by imitation' which all children do so well. Imitating vices and virtues.. whichever you have.

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    « Reply #5 on: November 26, 2013, 07:50:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: Cantarella
    Can the sins of parents be passed down from generation to generation? Exodus 20 speaks of "visiting the iniquity unto the third and fourth generation."

    What is the Catholic teaching on that? Are sins (mortal and not confessed) passed down in families?


    Actual culpability for specific sins?  No.  Other than Original Sin, the only way a person commits a mortal sin (and thus condemns themselves to hell without Confession or perfect contrition) is if a grave sin is committed with full knowledge and full consent.  If a father is a horrible sinner, and the son is devout, the culpability for the father's sins does not "transfer" to the son.

    With that being said, if a father is a terrible sinner, it is likely the son will not have proper instruction in the faith, so the son will commit his own sins.  It is a vicious cycle, but it is not a passing down of culpability for specific sins.  If anything, it is simply evidence of Original Sin.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 26, 2013, 12:23:38 PM »
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  • The loss of faith.

    There are prots today who can trace their loss of the faith back to the parents who went along with Luther +500 years ago. Quite the heritage.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    « Reply #7 on: November 26, 2013, 12:33:54 PM »
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  • So is that what Exodus 20 talks about?  

    A kind of damnation to souls?

    I'm not referring to the earthly consequences of sinner parents. They are too obvious. I was referring to supernatural curses fallen upon children souls as a consequence of the mortal sins of parents, passed down through generations.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 26, 2013, 12:45:06 PM »
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    I was referring to supernatural curses fallen upon children souls as a consequence of the mortal sins of parents, passed down through generations.

    I believe there are such curses. Aren't the Jєωs under such a curse because of their deicide?
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    « Reply #9 on: November 26, 2013, 02:28:44 PM »
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    So is that what Exodus 20 talks about?  

    A kind of damnation to souls?

    I'm not referring to the earthly consequences of sinner parents. They are too obvious. I was referring to supernatural curses fallen upon children souls as a consequence of the mortal sins of parents, passed down through generations.


    I don't think its a kind of damnation to souls, I think it compares more to the sin of Adam in that the tendency toward the parent's sin is inherited so to speak to the next 3 or 4 generations - which of course is then handed down to the next 3 or 4 generations and so on.

    People who have been raised outside the faith while keeping close relations with their faithless or NO/prot  family and friends  yet convert to and persevere in the true faith is very rare IMO - and those who actually leave those anchors to perdition and convert must receive extra special graces IMO.
     
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    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #10 on: November 26, 2013, 02:42:56 PM »
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    So is that what Exodus 20 talks about?  

    A kind of damnation to souls?

    I'm not referring to the earthly consequences of sinner parents. They are too obvious. I was referring to supernatural curses fallen upon children souls as a consequence of the mortal sins of parents, passed down through generations.


    I don't think its a kind of damnation to souls, I think it compares more to the sin of Adam in that the tendency toward the parent's sin is inherited so to speak to the next 3 or 4 generations - which of course is then handed down to the next 3 or 4 generations and so on.

    People who have been raised outside the faith while keeping close relations with their faithless or NO/prot  family and friends  yet convert to and persevere in the true faith is very rare IMO - and those who actually leave those anchors to perdition and convert must receive extra special graces IMO.
     


    If there was a curse in my family, which would explain a lot, it was a self curse, because they willingly lived lives of intense evil.

    All curses are overcome by the keys of the church, which has the power even to bind demons, and which alone has the power to save souls from any situation.

    I learned the faith from the internet 5 years ago, despite the worst of family backgrounds. ( my family are all militant church hating atheists )

    Haterz gonna hate.

    Children of God gonna convert to Catholic church.

    I consider myself a convert.

    If what you say is true it explains the great graces I believe I received.

    "There is good without evil, but there is never evil without good" St Aquinas
    The same is true for situations.


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    « Reply #11 on: December 02, 2013, 11:18:05 PM »
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  • This is a good book on the subject.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1929291043/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1929291043&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    Beyond learned habits acquired in the home, children can be physically affected by the sins of their parents.  Fetal Alcohol Syndrome comes to mind.  
    Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. - Nicene Creed

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    « Reply #12 on: December 02, 2013, 11:56:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cantarella
    Can the sins of parents be passed down from generation to generation? Exodus 20 speaks of "visiting the iniquity unto the third and fourth generation."



    Yes.  

    Consider how alcoholism and gambling seems to trail down a family tree.  Or even bigamy and adultery.  


    Only the Grace of Christ can stop a curse.  
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    « Reply #13 on: December 03, 2013, 07:48:42 AM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
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    Can the sins of parents be passed down from generation to generation? Exodus 20 speaks of "visiting the iniquity unto the third and fourth generation."



    Yes.  

    Consider how alcoholism and gambling seems to trail down a family tree.  Or even bigamy and adultery.  


    Only the Grace of Christ can stop a curse.  


    I think we need to distinguish between what people are saying.

    Can predilection toward a particular type of sin be passed down in a family?  I think the answer is unquestionably yes; your examples are good ones.

    Can culpability for a particular mortal sin, committed by a parent, be passed down to a child?  No.  A person's sins are his own, and culpability rests with the one who committed them.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 03, 2013, 08:42:02 AM »
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    the only way a person commits a mortal sin ... is if a grave sin is committed with full knowledge and full consent.  


    Mortal sin is still mortal sin even if the person does not know it, that is, mortal sin is still mortal sin even without full knowledge.