Simon Wiesenthal center is a professional whiner organization devised to shake down people for money and keep the dollars rolling in to protect the world from its Tom Metzgers.

Despite its storied dishonesty, people in the media seem to be taking at face value the "fact" that the Church "annulled" the unanimous teaching of the Fathers about the Jєωs in 1965.

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — Fox Latin America has apologized for a poll on whether Jєωs killed Jesus Christ that one of its staffers put on a Facebook page promoting the National Geographic Channel's Christmas special.

The poll asked readers who they think is responsible for the death of Christ: Pontius Pilate, The Jєωιѕн People or the High Priests.

The Simon Weisenthal Center in Buenos Aires calls it a defamatory reference to Vatican propaganda that "resulted in the persecution and murder of Jєωs for two millennia."

The Jєωιѕн group says it's outraged that Fox would perpetuate an idea that the Vatican annulled back in 1965.

So factual history is not allowed?

All three were responsible. What do present day Jєωs care?

By "Jєωιѕн People" they obviously meant those particular Jєωs alive around 33 AD in Jerusalem who knew of Christ and personally participated in rallying for his crucifixion.

I'm guessing that the poll was showing that most people still blame the Jєωs.  Just a hunch.

St. Paul said, in I Thessalonians 2:14-2:15 --

For you, brethren, are become followers of the churches of God which are in Judea, in Christ Jesus: for you also have suffered the same things from your own coutrymen, even as they have from the Jєωs,

Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and the prophets, and have persecuted us, and please not God, and are adversaries to all men;

Is this clear enough for you, Sigismund?  

Yes, we are all responsible for Jesus' sacrifice, but let's make the proper distinctions.  There's a difference between Mary Magdalene weeping for her sins at the Cross and the Jєωs calling for His blood.  

We put Him on the Cross, but we didn't KILL Him; we did not say "His blood be upon us and our children."  We didn't say "Free Barabbas."  And we certainly don't reject Him ( nor do converted Jєωs, but at that point they're Catholic ).

Does anyone know if the Church -- not counting Benedict XVI -- teaches explicitly that the Jєωs killed Jesus?  It must, because it is so unmistakably and unambiguously there in the words of St. Paul, but I don't know if it was ever repeated that clearly by a Pope.

Until someone has proof otherwise, Raoul76 is definitely saying, along with St. Augustine, that the Jєωs have collective guilt for the death of Jesus -- not just the Pharisees of that time but their modern-day descendants.  

The Romans had no interest in killing Christ.  To them He was just another Jєωιѕн lunatic street prophet.  Christ posed zero threat to the Romans.  The Jєωs pestered and pestered the Romans to have Him killed and Pilate did it just so he wouldn't be bothered, because it didn't mean anything to him, he just wanted to go back to his comfy life and not have to be irritated by these importunate rabbis.  Hence he "washed his hands."  

The Romans carried out the deed, but it was the Jєωs who WANTED Him dead.

Until someone has proof otherwise, Raoul76 is definitely saying, along with St. Augustine, that the Jєωs have collective guilt for the death of Jesus -- not just the Pharisees of that time but their modern-day descendants.  

The Romans had no interest in killing Christ.  To them He was just another Jєωιѕн lunatic street prophet.  Christ posed zero threat to the Romans.  The Jєωs pestered and pestered the Romans to have Him killed and Pilate did it just so he wouldn't be bothered, because it didn't mean anything to him, he just wanted to go back to his comfy life and not have to be irritated by these importunate rabbis.  Hence he "washed his hands."  

The Romans carried out the deed, but it was the Jєωs who WANTED Him dead.

Yes, I have a scan of the Babylonian тαℓмυd, tractate Sanhedrin, folio43a to the library.  In that folio, the rabbis boast that the Sanhedrin overcame Roman opposition to the judicial murder of Jesus. Is there a way to upload the file from my hard disc?

“On Passover Eve they hanged Jesus of Nazareth. And the herald went out before him for forty days: 'Jesus of Nazareth is going out to be stoned because he practiced sorcery, incited [to idol worship] and led Israel astray. Whoever knows an argument in his favor should come and argue on his behalf.' But they did not find an argument in his favor, and they hanged him on Passover Eve ... Jesus ... had close connections with the non-Jєωιѕн authorities, and those authorities were interested in his acquittal. Thus it was necessary to give him all the opportunity to clear himself, so that the justice of his conviction not be challenged ... Was Jesus of Nazareth deserving of a search for an argument in his favor? He was an inciter, and the Torah (lit., "the Merciful") says: ‘You shall not spare, nor shall you conceal him!’” (Babylonian тαℓмυd, Sanhedrin 43a, Steinsaltz edition, Vol XVII, Part III)

Raoul,

I agree. Never read CAF on a full stomach!  :barf:

Two ironic statements in your quotes from CAF'ers.

1.) The lady who put on the "cap" at the Jєωιѕн service would probably never wear a mantilla at the NO.

2.) We got our opposition to syncretism from Judaism? This coming from a Neo-Cath who no doubt supports Assisi.


Indeed liberalism is a contradiction.

There cannot be a "corporate guilt", that is guilt in the Catholic sense of the term, of the Jєωιѕн people for only original sin is transmitted by natural generation. There cannot be a species of guilt we do not know of that is peculiar to the Jєωιѕн race and is perpetuated by descent.

All unbelievers have a hardened heart toward the Gospel, and perhaps this is more pronounced in the case of the Jєωs, for the Apostle says there is a veil on their eyes when Moses and the Prophets are read. But even this would arise from their own fault and not from some sort of "guilt", properly so called, passed down.

Moreover, the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. was undoubtedly the visitation of divine Justice for the rejection of Christ, and moreover the promised sign of the Messiah's advent to all nations, according to Malachi, when God would receive no more the sacrifices of the Jєωs, but those of the Gentiles.

Still, it is plain that the Romans, the Gentiles, collaborated with the Jєωs. For, the Lord Himself said, "And shall deliver Him to the Gentiles to be mocked, and scourged, and crucified, and the third day he shall rise again. " (Mat 20:19)

The greatest errors formed by improper catechesis among many in the Church today are (1) That the Catholic Church is not the the new and true Israel (2) That the Old Covenant is somehow valid and efficacious for the Jєωs (3) That the Church need not proclaim Christ to the Jєωs.

On the contrary, Christ Himself told them most plainly that the Kingdom of God would be taken from them. St.Peter says they are cut off from Israel, and St.Paul adds that the Gentiles are grafted in, the children of the promise.

Still, I wonder if some times today, among those who know that Christ must be preached, whether it is sometimes done as the Apostle says, "out of envy and strife", rather than as the Apostles did, "speaking the truth in love"?

It was pure love that motivated the actions and preaching of the Apostle, for he even said, "For I wished myself to be an anathema from Christ, for my brethren, who are my kinsmen according to the flesh" (Rom 9:4) reminding us of Moses who pleaded with God for his people, just as Christ Himself, showing the great love of the Father, wept over that city, who, spurning His gracious and gentle advances, stoned the prophets and killed those who were sent.

May it also be so with us in our proclamation of Christ that we may speak and act with the mind of His Church. And, as a traditional prayer of the Church so beautifully expresses her all-encompassing love even in the face of their obstinacy and rebellion, Turn Thine eyes of mercy towards the children of that race, once Thy chosen people: of old they called down upon themselves the Blood of the Saviour; may It now descend upon them, a laver of redemption and of life."