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Jehanne · « **on:** January 29, 2015, 01:41:14 PM »

Nadir · « **Reply #1 on:** January 29, 2015, 02:56:17 PM »

This is strange: the who are we page says nothing about who are we. Why don't they just come clean and say who they are?

The Personalities who have signed: this immediately turns me off. Appealing to human respect to achieve faithfulness to age-old Church teaching.

If "Your Holiness" needs to be taught the Sixth Commandment of the Law of God and the consequences of not keeping it, then I wouldn't be calling him Your Holiness, but Your Ignorance (and that would be giving him the benefit of the doubt).

I wondered if this is not from TFP with the aim of getting more people on their mail lists.

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2015, 03:05:45 PM »

That, and Rome would never see it. Francis has been shown to be unabashedly stubborn. He'll do and say what he so pleases.

Croixalist · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2015, 04:39:43 PM »

Well, for what it's worth, I signed it. It could mean super secret Vatican hitmen will appear at my door, but at least I'll get to punch someone outta this.

2Vermont · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2015, 04:51:22 PM »

If I sign it, will Francis call me?

Thurifer · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2015, 05:02:43 PM »

Quote from: Nadir

I wondered if this is not from TFP with the aim of getting more people on their mail lists.

It's something like that. It reminds me of the Manhattan Declaration from a couple of years back. Definitely Neo Con with Rick Santorum being one of the signatories.

I wonder why the Sorbonne Revolution of 1968 is brought forth. Seems to be a rather obscure event to most people outside of France, or especially in America. This kind of seems to come from the tragedy that is the Pro Life movement. Both in practice, protesting rather than praying, and with its objectives pressuring the Supreme Court to overturn a 1973 opinion.

Finally, if the pope needs this kind of coaching from the laity, we already lost. If he, and most Churchmen are that diabolically disordered, let the entire thing come down. Then we will rebuild it from there. The last thing we need to do is save the pope from his own blindness without any actual improvement.

Jehanne · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2015, 07:36:34 PM »

What Francis the Fake wants is "unity"; deny the heretic any semblance of "unity" and make it equally clear that the true Catholic faithful can and will go into formal schism and have him deposed. IMO, it only takes a single Cardinal to do so.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2015, 09:34:58 PM »

Francis ignores Christ, the Church Fathers, 2000 years of Tradition, and common sense. I don't think an internet petition is likely to sway him. Satan has him in his grasp.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2015, 10:31:19 PM »

Quote from: Jehanne

What Francis the Fake wants is "unity"; deny the heretic any semblance of "unity" and ...

This is true. The Conciliar church is pushing for unity in apostasy and humanism; and this same church will be (is) one of the major conduits to the global religion of the anti-Christ.

For what it's worth, I signed it, but as Charlemagne said, it's likely to not have any effect. The Vatican sneezes on such petitions. What novus ordo catholics need to do is stop giving money to their church or any Conciliar org. Don't give them one penny until the Vatican returns to tradition and fumigates its halls of the modernists. Better yet, there should be a mass exodus of novus ordo-ites from the Conciliar church through conversions to the true Faith, thus an influx into tradition. But the point is that the Vatican will listen to money, or lack thereof, for it's the only dynamic that made them take action against the fαɢɢօt pedophile priests who were allowed to cause great harm to children and bringing scandal to the church, until courts made them pay mammoth fines. When the Vatican and Conciliar dioceses throughout the world were forced to pay huge sums of money to victims (albeit, a lot of those cases were / are fraudulent, too, as a means for liars to get rich), then they began to crack down on the predators wearing the Roman collar. The Conciliar church is more concerned about money. It's more concerned about being a business, not being Apostolic.

claudel · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2015, 10:39:19 PM »

Quote from: Thurifer

I wonder why the Sorbonne Revolution of 1968 is brought forth. Seems to be a rather obscure event to most people outside of France, or especially in America.

Presumably the origins of this petition are French; hence the mention of 1968. In France this event is of incalculable importance to the Establishment. Failure to pledge one's allegiance to it is a form of ѕυιcιdє in the business, the social, and especially the political sphere.

In France since the seventies, it has been possible and permissible to regard Napoléon as something less than an unqualified blessing for French history, but no such allowance is made for Sorbonne '68. To declare it an abomination or even a problem won't get you jailed, as ~~h0Ɩ0h0αx~~ h0Ɩ0cαųst denial certainly will, but it marks you as an enemy of the state—and of the Jєωιѕн-led hard Left.

Jehanne · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2015, 02:43:26 AM »

The Immaculate Bride of Jesus Christ, which is the Catholic Church, is behaving like an adulterous whore; we ought not to abandon Her in this, her most sorrowful hour. Ask yourself, "What would your medieval Catholic counterparts do during the Age of Faith?" Signing a petition is "nothing" compared to what, intrinsically, should be done! It is the King of Heaven Himself who is, ultimately, being betrayed by his so-called Vicar, a faithless one at that.

Thurifer · « **Reply #11 on:** January 30, 2015, 07:47:29 AM »

Quote from: claudel

Quote from: Thurifer
I wonder why the Sorbonne Revolution of 1968 is brought forth. Seems to be a rather obscure event to most people outside of France, or especially in America.

Presumably the origins of this petition are French; hence the mention of 1968. In France this event is of incalculable importance to the Establishment. Failure to pledge one's allegiance to it is a form of ѕυιcιdє in the business, the social, and especially the political sphere.

In France since the seventies, it has been possible and permissible to regard Napoléon as something less than an unqualified blessing for French history, but no such allowance is made for Sorbonne '68. To declare it an abomination or even a problem won't get you jailed, as ~~h0Ɩ0h0αx~~ h0Ɩ0cαųst denial certainly will, but it marks you as an enemy of the state—and of the Jєωιѕн-led hard Left.

Granted I have only conducted at best a cursory search, but what exactly is the connection between Sorbonne '68 and the concern for the pope to speak clearly on Church teaching and Doctrine? Was there a sɛҳuąƖ "liberation" component to the riots and the French government almost being toppled? Or might it be that divorce laws liberalized due to the event? Or is there just a recognition that Sorbonne strengthened and galvanized the atheistic and nihilistic view?

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #12 on:** January 30, 2015, 01:32:54 PM »

Quote from: Jehanne

The Immaculate Bride of Jesus Christ, which is the Catholic Church, is behaving like an adulterous whore; we ought not to abandon Her in this, her most sorrowful hour. Ask yourself, "What would your medieval Catholic counterparts do during the Age of Faith?" Signing a petition is "nothing" compared to what, intrinsically, should be done! It is the King of Heaven Himself who is, ultimately, being betrayed by his so-called Vicar, a faithless one at that.

Heresy, the Church is perfect. The new Pantheism of which Francis belongs to is behaving like an adulterous whore.

ClarkSmith · « **Reply #13 on:** January 30, 2015, 06:07:07 PM »

Quote from: Nadir

The Personalities who have signed: this immediately turns me off. Appealing to human respect to achieve faithfulness to age-old Church teaching.

Human respect is someone that sacrifices virtue because the person fears not being accepted by men. The Synod is itself a form of human respect because progressives want the Catholic Church to move toward a modern view of the family. The progressives want the approval of the majority. The majority being supporters of divorce, sodomy, etc. The progressives fear not being modern enough for the world.

It is not wrong for people to respect superiors or look toward them in a crisis. I believe that is the reason why they included the personalities who have signed.