Author Topic: Ecunemism Invisible Ignorance (Read 972 times)

Cantarella · « **on:** September 30, 2013, 08:24:06 PM »

Where can I find a reliable definition of Ecunemism and how does it relate to the concept of "invisible ignorance"?

Thank you!

John · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2013, 08:38:25 PM »

I think you want invincible ignorance And Ecuмenism. http://traditionalcatholicsermons.org/BishopSanbornSermonArchive/BpSan_Ecuмenism_09-03-95_1306.mp3

http://traditionalcatholicsermons.org/BishopSanbornSermonArchive/BpSan_ErrorOfTheDecreeOnEcuмenism_10-08-95_1311.mp3

http://traditionalcatholicsermons.org/BishopSanbornSermonArchive/BpSan_EvilDisciplinesRegardingEcuмenism_10-20-96_1366.mp3

http://traditionalcatholicsermons.org/BishopSanbornSermonArchive/BpSan_FundamentalErrorOfVaticanII_08-27-95_1305.mp3

Cantarella · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2013, 08:50:34 PM »

Yes. Excuse my misspelling. I was referring to Ecuмenism & Invisible Ignorance and how those concepts may be related.

Thank you for the links.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2013, 11:16:57 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella

Yes. Excuse my misspelling. I was referring to
Ecuмenism & Invisible Ignorance

Note:
Invisible is not the same as invincible.

invincible invisible invincible invisible invincible invisible

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and how those concepts may be related.

Thank you for the links.

Cantarella · « **Reply #4 on:** September 30, 2013, 11:49:03 PM »

Please bear with me as English is not my first language, :barf:. Forgive my errors of spelling.

Let's try this one more time:

I want to know if E-c-u-m-e-n-i-s-m and I-n-v-i-n-c-i-b-l-e I-g-n-o-r-a-n-c-e are somehow related.

My current understanding is that Ecuмenism is the unity of different religious denominations within Christianity, meaning cooperation between the Catholic Church and other Christian sects. This concept being not too far from Interfaith Pluralism in which there is mutual respect among all world religions. Thus, all religions would be equal before God. No distinction between a Catholic, a Jew, Hindu, Muslim etc.

I understand that Invincible Ignorance opens the possibility of people being saved who are ignorant of the Catholic Faith, through no fault or responsibility of their own. Therefore, a born Jew, Hindu, Muslim, etc. can be saved in their own religions, if they "somehow", on an invincible manner, are members of the Catholic Church.

Could it be that the belief in "Invincible Ignorance" opens the door to Ecuмenism and further more, to Interfaith Pluralism?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** October 01, 2013, 12:45:11 AM »

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You didn't disappoint me, Cantarella!

Yes, it would seem you are hot on the trail of the action presently afoot!

That is, the action of the devil in our fallen world.

For the Modernists have taken the opportunity to pretentiously misapply
the words of a good pope of not too-distant memory (Pius IX), and by
taking his words out of context (not as +Fellay duplicitously claims, but
for real), they have then deceived the Faithful into thinking that some-
thing exists that in fact is nothing more than a figment of inventive
theology with absolutely no basis in any Magisterial teaching whatsoever.

This is what undermined the great Jesuit order of old, the Society of Jesus.

Did you know that prelates and cardinals fumed at the very notion that
they were obliged to bow their heads reverently at the mention of the
name of the Society of Jesus? It was because of the word "Jesus," is all.

If you like, I can look up the context so you can read it for yourself.