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Offline rosary93

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  • I don't know, i tend to think it is counter-productive b/c many reading that or hearing that will say it is childish and extreme and then they will not listen to our LEGITIMATE complaints against Francis


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    Re: Should we call the pope "destroyer clown" and other such things?
    « Reply #1 on: June 30, 2017, 07:02:37 PM »
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  • The term "Destroyer" was coined by St. Francis of Assisi in his deathbed prophecy to his fratres.

    The term "Clown" is just being nice.


                  The Destroyer Clown loves to bow down to the enemies of Christ


    I would suggest printing this image out and hanging it on your bathroom mirror, so you don't forget who he's offending.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Should we call the pope "destroyer clown" and other such things?
    « Reply #2 on: June 30, 2017, 10:16:52 PM »
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  • Subversive Marxist=Destroyer,  Heretic=Anathema, as being a publican and a heathen.

    Those are two obvious "legitimate" complaints. He has proven himself to be both.

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    Re: Should we call the pope "destroyer clown" and other such things?
    « Reply #3 on: July 01, 2017, 06:52:55 AM »
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  • And yet, even Trad priests name him in the Canon of the TLM!  >:(

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    Re: Should we call the pope "destroyer clown" and other such things?
    « Reply #4 on: July 01, 2017, 10:58:29 AM »
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  • And yet, even Trad priests name him in the Canon of the TLM!  >:(
    Such is the condition of the neo-Traditional clergy and world.  We are truly living in an age of contradiction and depravity.


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  • Subversive Marxist=Destroyer,  Heretic=Anathema, as being a publican and a heathen.

    "Francis" Bergoglio operates a public house--a pub !?  What fun it could be if he conducted a world-wide contest to name it!   But I'd be surprised if it did much to relieve the modernist Vatican's financial problems, even it could rely on hefty profits from top-gouge tourism prices during whatever hot days Rome has during its summer.  Unless restaurants & bars throughout Rome became convinced that it would be, ummm, risky to serve beer in competition with the Vatican.

    I thought I'd read that Bergoglio's real-estate investments in Rome were noteworthy primarily because an upscale sodomite bath-house/resort was situated on 1 of the properties.  Or am I confusing him with the other guy in the Vatican garbed in white (on whom a broad range of papal vestments reputedly exerts a strong pull), i.e., "Benedict" Ratzinger?

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    Re: Should we call the pope "destroyer clown" and other such things?
    « Reply #6 on: July 01, 2017, 01:48:46 PM »
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  • The term "Destroyer" was coined by St. Francis of Assisi in his deathbed prophecy to his fratres.

    The term "Clown" is just being nice.


       The Destroyer Clown loves to bow
          down to the enemies of Christ



    I would suggest printing this image out and hanging it on your bathroom mirror, so you don't forget who whom he's offending.
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    It seems to me we do more damage than good by scandalizing the children of God when we mock the Pope.
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    If we really want to believe he's the Pontiff, we ought to be respectful of his office, and if we are, it becomes much more challenging to criticize the man who occupies it!
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    I am reminded of Catholic priests who suffered under the heel of Communism, especially in China, and what they had to say about Communism in the Church. Their advice is not to worry about what Communists do and not to go around criticizing them and attacking their bad deeds. They say the best thing we can do is to practice our Faith, be good Catholics, pray and offer sacrifice and penance for the conversion of Communists.
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    We can always reference what Our Lord did, in the Gospels. He did not make criticism of the Pharisees his daily topic of concern. He did not go around lambasting their hypocrisy and evil acts. Sure, there were times when He made it clear what the Scribes and Pharisees were all about and how evil were their ways, but those were rare occasions. Remember, He could read the thoughts of their hearts (and we cannot!). 
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    Think of Our Lord in His Passion -- did He embarrass Pontius Pilate by informing him of what he was hiding in his heart? He could have. Did He lay it out in lavender when the High Priest accused him of "blasphemy" and tore his garments? He could have. Did He put Herod in his place when that pervert demanded that Our Lord perform a miracle to entertain him like his magicians? He could have. 
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    But He did not. He saved the personal revelation of malefactors' sins for the time He wrote in the sand when they were about to stone the woman caught in adultery. Talk about self-control!!
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    Imagine the self-control we would have to exercise if we could read the sinful intentions of our enemies and yet refrain from incessantly calling them out on their malevolent desires. God prevents us from having this power for our own good!
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    When we criticize the Pope as if it's some kind of sport we end up competing with each other and it becomes a feeding frenzy. Imagine being a Protestant who wants to convert to the One True Church and then you hear Catholics bad-mouthing their own Pope daily as if it's fun or something. Would you want to have any part of that scene? 
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    They'll know you are Christians by the charity you show toward each other.
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    Think about that.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Should we call the pope "destroyer clown" and other such things?
    « Reply #7 on: July 01, 2017, 02:07:18 PM »
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  • I don't know, i tend to think it is counter-productive b/c many reading that or hearing that will say it is childish and extreme and then they will not listen to our LEGITIMATE complaints against Francis
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    It seems to me you're on the right track, but there's more to it than just that.
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    I think it's not a problem to be informed about legitimate complaints against Francis, but it seems to me that we can easily get carried away.
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    It takes a lot of wisdom to cope with such contradictions, and the easiest row to hoe becomes the one where non-Catholics will see us as a bunch of malcontents critical of our leader, and on the verge of total disintegration.
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    Protestants really want to believe that the Catholic Church is alive and well. It gives them confidence. But when they hear there are serious divisions in the Church of Rome, it strikes terror into their hearts.
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    Think of our children, who are just becoming aware of what it means to be a Catholic adult. How are they to comprehend the principle of evangelizing the Faith when all they hear is contentions and sour grapes about the Supreme Pontiff -- who never calls himself that, anyway.
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    Follow the advice of the dry martyrs of China, who said that we should forget about the Communists. 
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    Follow the advice of the angel of Peace, who said, "PENANCE! PENANCE! PENANCE!" And of Our Lady of Fatima (100th Anniversary this year!) who said to pray for and offer sacrifices for the Holy Father who will have much to suffer. 
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    I often wonder if She was referring to the eternal destiny of several Popes after Vat.II!?!?
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    Re: Should we call the pope "destroyer clown" and other such things?
    « Reply #8 on: July 01, 2017, 02:12:23 PM »
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  • The term "Destroyer" was coined by St. Francis of Assisi in his deathbed prophecy to his fratres.

    The term "Clown" is just being nice.


                 The Destroyer Clown loves to bow down to the enemies of Christ


    I would suggest printing this image out and hanging it on your bathroom mirror, so you don't forget who he's offending.
    As Catholics, we may not mock anyone in authority over us, not even if he's a false pope.  God has allowed him to "occupy" the sacred office.  
    St. Francis was not mocking; he was prophesying from his deathbed.  
    We can warn, preach, teach, and exhort.  We often must do these things. Shouldn't we do it with tears rather than derision? 
    Let's make sure we aren't "playing the dozens" in an effort to outdo our fellow Catholics.  
    Let's check our attitudes and motivations before opening our mouths or hitting "send."

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    Re: Should we call the pope "destroyer clown" and other such things?
    « Reply #9 on: July 01, 2017, 03:16:37 PM »
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  • I was taught a lesson when reading Solange Hertz's ON THE CONTRARY recently. In spite of everything she always referred to Pope John Paul II as 'his holiness.' It is the office we acknowledge, no matter who occupies it.

    Difficult yes, but I think Jesus would prefer that.

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    Re: Should we call the pope "destroyer clown" and other such things?
    « Reply #10 on: July 01, 2017, 04:33:17 PM »
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  • The term "Destroyer" was coined by St. Francis of Assisi in his deathbed prophecy to his fratres.

    The term "Clown" is just being nice.


                 The Destroyer Clown loves to bow down to the enemies of Christ


    I would suggest printing this image out and hanging it on your bathroom mirror, so you don't forget who he's offending.
    that image does not prove a thing.
    We should treat all humans with dignity and respect as ALL are created in God's image, whether Jєω or pagan or Christian.
    so... nice try but no potato


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    Re: Should we call the pope "destroyer clown" and other such things?
    « Reply #11 on: July 01, 2017, 04:36:32 PM »
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    It seems to me we do more damage than good by scandalizing the children of God when we mock the Pope.
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    If we really want to believe he's the Pontiff, we ought to be respectful of his office, and if we are, it becomes much more challenging to criticize the man who occupies it!
    .
    I am reminded of Catholic priests who suffered under the heel of Communism, especially in China, and what they had to say about Communism in the Church. Their advice is not to worry about what Communists do and not to go around criticizing them and attacking their bad deeds. They say the best thing we can do is to practice our Faith, be good Catholics, pray and offer sacrifice and penance for the conversion of Communists.
    .
    We can always reference what Our Lord did, in the Gospels. He did not make criticism of the Pharisees his daily topic of concern. He did not go around lambasting their hypocrisy and evil acts. Sure, there were times when He made it clear what the Scribes and Pharisees were all about and how evil were their ways, but those were rare occasions. Remember, He could read the thoughts of their hearts (and we cannot!).
    .
    Think of Our Lord in His Passion -- did He embarrass Pontius Pilate by informing him of what he was hiding in his heart? He could have. Did He lay it out in lavender when the High Priest accused him of "blasphemy" and tore his garments? He could have. Did He put Herod in his place when that pervert demanded that Our Lord perform a miracle to entertain him like his magicians? He could have.
    .
    But He did not. He saved the personal revelation of malefactors' sins for the time He wrote in the sand when they were about to stone the woman caught in adultery. Talk about self-control!!
    .
    Imagine the self-control we would have to exercise if we could read the sinful intentions of our enemies and yet refrain from incessantly calling them out on their malevolent desires. God prevents us from having this power for our own good!
    .
    When we criticize the Pope as if it's some kind of sport we end up competing with each other and it becomes a feeding frenzy. Imagine being a Protestant who wants to convert to the One True Church and then you hear Catholics bad-mouthing their own Pope daily as if it's fun or something. Would you want to have any part of that scene?
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    They'll know you are Christians by the charity you show toward each other.
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    Think about that.
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    i totally agree w/ this and appreciated hearing the voice of sanity, which is not as commonplace as one might think, whether here on the forums or wherever
    :incense: :facepalm: :cheers:

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    Re: Should we call the pope "destroyer clown" and other such things?
    « Reply #12 on: July 01, 2017, 04:37:53 PM »
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  • I was taught a lesson when reading Solange Hertz's ON THE CONTRARY recently. In spite of everything she always referred to Pope John Paul II as 'his holiness.' It is the office we acknowledge, no matter who occupies it.

    Difficult yes, but I think Jesus would prefer that.
    i agree. Point out what Francis is doing wrong and leave it at that. Calling names just makes us look foolish.
    We have a right to be angry
    yet  the Bible says Be angry but sin not

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    Re: Should we call the pope "destroyer clown" and other such things?
    « Reply #13 on: July 01, 2017, 07:23:02 PM »
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    It seems to me we do more damage than good by scandalizing the children of God when we mock the Pope.
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    If we really want to believe he's the Pontiff, we ought to be respectful of his office, and if we are, it becomes much more challenging to criticize the man who occupies it!
    On the other hand it seems that there is much greater scandal caused among God's Children when the man who occupies the Chair of Peter is a member of a false religion which blasphemes and mocks Our Lord Christ and His Religion almost daily with false teaching and the denial of His doctrines, and contradicting Holy Scripture as well.

    The Salvific Religion of God is not about what we want to believe, but rather what we must believe. The latter never to be sacrificed for the former. It is that very respect in which the papal office is held, that the evil which is done in its name, and by its authority, that makes such wickedness intolerable to the Catholic soul.

    I would agree that cheap mockeries such as found at Traditio etc. are juvenile and not proper, but pointing out the docuмented heretical activities, the non-Catholic teaching, and wickedness of conciliarism and its popes is not scandalous to the Faithful but is necessary, even when painful, in the service of the truth.

    The Martyrs died horrifically to stop and refute such blasphemy and to speak what was true and not that which expedient. The truth is a sword and is not respectful nor is it unjust. It is what it is. And hiding from it or denying it is the great scandal in the Religion which was Divinely revealed to proclaim and spread it though out this world.
    It is no wonder that God allows this revolution and occupation to continue when His children will not raise the cry and act against it.


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    Re: Should we call the pope "destroyer clown" and other such things?
    « Reply #14 on: July 02, 2017, 11:49:39 AM »
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  • As Catholics, we may not mock anyone in authority over us, not even if he's a false pope.  God has allowed him to "occupy" the sacred office.  
    St. Francis was not mocking; he was prophesying from his deathbed.  
    We can warn, preach, teach, and exhort.  We often must do these things. Shouldn't we do it with tears rather than derision?
    Let's make sure we aren't "playing the dozens" in an effort to outdo our fellow Catholics.  
    Let's check our attitudes and motivations before opening our mouths or hitting "send."

    Of course, we respect the Papal office.

    But, when you "warn, preach, teach and exhort".... what do say about the pope?  Who do you say he is ?

    Are you part of the SSPX who wants to be officially under him ?   (If so, you're on the wrong forum)

    And how do you explain his actions, what do you call them ?

    You implied he's a de facto pope, when you used the word "occupy" the sacred office.

    St. Francis of Assisi, wasn't a sede, but he foresaw a non "canonically elected" Peter, and a "destroyer". He called him that.

    Very clearly, from Pope Francis's "non Catholic god", he is a heretic and we have a right to call him that.  

    Is that "mocking" in your book?

    In fact, if you deny he's a heretic and if you don't name it that, aren't you scandalizing other souls by being lukewarm and denying the crisis in his leadership of the Church?

    Even children can legitimately call him a "heretic" and part of the "anti-Christs".



    Now we hear that our Lord didn't say anything bad about the Pharisees?  Oh really?  

    Whoever said that didn't read the Gospels leading up to Holy Week.  

    I recall "children of the devil" and "white sepulchers" to name just two.

    And I'll go one step further. As Catholics, we can pray that Francis the Destroyer, a bad pope, dies soon.  My source is St. Don Bosco.

    In closing, this post, here's some more "Papal endorsement of the enemies of Christ" photos for you to meditate upon.


     Kissing the hand of a "h0Ɩ0h0αx" survivor


    Embracing the enemies at the fake Temple wall

    If you have scruples about a bad pope, then go to your local neo-trad SSPX chapel and to embrace Frances.  

    Since 2009, it's been safe territory there.

    And in terms of "mocking" and "sarcasm", I'd suggest that the Cathinfo forum may be too much for you.

    Something like the EWTN or the Michael Voris forums, for those who don't want to face the issues and are not willing to fight.

    Pax tecuм
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi