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Offline songbird

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Should we avoid certain people?
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2013, 02:25:27 PM »
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  • Define.  Bad influences compared to flaws.  That is why I emphasize that a prayerful life is needed, to know Gods will, to stick around, or to leave a situation.  Every person is different and so it is if one is to stick around or not.


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    Should we avoid certain people?
    « Reply #16 on: April 10, 2013, 02:58:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
    I think it runs deeper than a few (arguably) bad habits.  Drinking to excess and losing control of oneself is the problem, not the alcohol per se.  Buying the odd lottery ticket or visiting a casino on occasion are a far cry from gambling the grocery money away.  Smoking? I personally have no problem w/it so long as it is not in my house :smoke-pot:

    I'd rather spend my time with a cigar puffing, beer swilling, crap-shooter who knows right from wrong than with a lying, cheating, back-biting gossip any day!

    Marsha


    the problem is i lost $5,000-$6,000 since august.


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    « Reply #17 on: April 10, 2013, 03:30:20 PM »
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    Quote from: InfiniteFaith
    Should we avoid people because of certain flaws they may have? What if someone likes to go to a casino occasionally, smoke cigarettes, and have a few beers? Should this person be avoided? What if someone takes pride in their race or is somewhat conceded? Should we avoid them too?

    To what extent should we reject people?


    If you have the intent to avoid anyone who has "flaws", then you need to become a hermit in the desert because you cannot avoid people with flaws.

    As for the issues you list above, I don't see the "flaws".


    I thought the same thing.  As far as who we should avoid, I thought HelenMargaret had the right idea when she basically said, if they're causing you to sin, then I would consider distancing myself.  On the other hand, that's a matter of degrees too.  I think that's what it comes down too.  
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    Should we avoid certain people?
    « Reply #18 on: April 11, 2013, 12:28:53 AM »
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  •  :scratchchin:More thoughts on people to avoid but in a slightly diffferent direction.  Maybe we should avoid people who for any reason are spiritually toxic for us and this could be for any number of reasons.  As far as possible, don`t let people stay in your lives who are disturbing your peace.

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    Should we avoid certain people?
    « Reply #19 on: April 11, 2013, 01:10:31 AM »
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  • Quote from: InfiniteFaith
    Quote from: Marlelar
    I think it runs deeper than a few (arguably) bad habits.  Drinking to excess and losing control of oneself is the problem, not the alcohol per se.  Buying the odd lottery ticket or visiting a casino on occasion are a far cry from gambling the grocery money away.  Smoking? I personally have no problem w/it so long as it is not in my house :smoke-pot:

    I'd rather spend my time with a cigar puffing, beer swilling, crap-shooter who knows right from wrong than with a lying, cheating, back-biting gossip any day!

    Marsha


    the problem is i lost $5,000-$6,000 since august.


     :alcohol:
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    « Reply #20 on: April 11, 2013, 03:17:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: InfiniteFaith
    Quote from: Marlelar
    I think it runs deeper than a few (arguably) bad habits.  Drinking to excess and losing control of oneself is the problem, not the alcohol per se.  Buying the odd lottery ticket or visiting a casino on occasion are a far cry from gambling the grocery money away.  Smoking? I personally have no problem w/it so long as it is not in my house :smoke-pot:

    I'd rather spend my time with a cigar puffing, beer swilling, crap-shooter who knows right from wrong than with a lying, cheating, back-biting gossip any day!

    Marsha


    the problem is i lost $5,000-$6,000 since august.


    If it was me and I made a few million a year that would not be an issue, however if I made 50K a year that would be serious and I would stay out of casinos.

    Marsha

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    « Reply #21 on: April 11, 2013, 03:21:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: HelenMargaret
    :scratchchin:More thoughts on people to avoid but in a slightly diffferent direction.  Maybe we should avoid people who for any reason are spiritually toxic for us and this could be for any number of reasons.  As far as possible, don`t let people stay in your lives who are disturbing your peace.


    I like that term "spiritually toxic", it really puts it in a nutshell.  Depending on a person's spiritual level a certain person might or might not be toxic to him.

    Marsha

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    « Reply #22 on: April 11, 2013, 03:55:06 PM »
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    Is smoking sinful? I hope drinking a few beers isn't or I am in big trouble!


    In the process of accepting other cultures, herbal medicines and means of relaxation will enter into the dominant culture. Native Americans and the use of tobacco. Mexicans with the use of hemp. Europeans and the use of alcohol. South American natives and the use of coca.

    Native Americans lives have been ruined by the use of alcohol. Europeans lives have been ruined by the concentrated use of coca leaves, whereas the natives simply chew the leaf, not refine the leaf into a highly concentrated toxin.


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    « Reply #23 on: April 11, 2013, 11:02:38 PM »
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  • The OP,


    Quote from: InfiniteFaith
    Should we avoid people because of certain flaws they may have? What if someone likes to go to a casino occasionally, smoke cigarettes, and have a few beers? Should this person be avoided? What if someone takes pride in their race or is somewhat [conceited]? Should we avoid them too?

    To what extent should we reject people?



    Was well-addressed by a following post (last one on first page),

    Quote from: HelenMargaret
    I agree they need our prayers and sometimes we may be the good influence they need.  But we need to guard our own spiritual lives first; don`t keep company with those who you may instinctivly know might very lead YOU to sin.



    And that pretty well nails it.  But there are no examples.  Some of the
    following posts gave some examples.  

    I think a lot depends on the individual.  For someone with a weakness for
    gambling, keeping friends with habitual gamblers can be problematic. Etc.  

    I know an example that is not here yet.  A certain person liked to complain
    how he had made friends with various other people, only to find at a later
    time that suddenly they stopped answering his calls, and would leave the
    room when they saw he was present.  They mysteriously started avoiding
    him.  And he finally came to the conclusion that a particular priest was
    advising them to shun him because that priest was also his own confessor,
    who knew his sins, and was using that knowledge to warn others away from
    his company.  This could be done without breaking the seal of confession.  

    But what the man failed to recognize is that it does not have to be a
    personal thing.  The priest could well be advising these people to keep their
    distance based on the man's own behavior.  Regardless of his personal
    confessions, if he continuously behaves in a way that is sinful, that is, keeps
    pestering his friends with salacious and impure thoughts by way of jokes,
    stories, paying attention to news that is in regards to impurity or sins
    against the 6th and 9th Commandments, even though he ought to know
    better, and when these friends have given him repeated opportunities to
    change his ways, but he persists anyway, for whatever reason, it is only
    reasonable that if these friends feel they are personally tempted toward
    impure thoughts by being in the company of this man, then they are obliged
    to break off contact with him.

    The responsibility for his losing friends falls on his own shoulders, because
    he keeps returning to his sin.  And he is looking for someone who can give
    him justification to do so, by their willingness to do it as well.  

    Examples:  He likes to go to bars and try to pick up women.
    He likes to go to TOPLESS bars and try to make "dates" with the girls who
    work there.
    He likes to buy sleazy tabloids and keep track of the latest gossip in show biz.
    He likes to talk to strangers about what certain movie stars are up to, and
    if he is not up to speed with the latest paparazzi news, he will be unable to
    strike up such a conversation with a stranger standing in line for an R-rated
    movie.  
    He cannot look at a computer screen with a browser running live on the
    Internet without clicking on every image of a female face or other part of
    the anatomy.  
    He had to wipe and reaload his operating system because of all the viruses
    and malware on it that had become embedded on his hard drive.
    But a mere 6 months later he had to call in the Geek Squad to do a major
    diagnostic and repair AGAIN, because the malware problem had returned,
    but he refuses to change his behavior, to stop clicking on the pictures of
    pretty girls, because he believes it is "normal" to do so -- Why would they
    have those images there if we were not supposed to click on them????

    And when someone tells him he is not avoiding the near occasion of sin by
    doing these things, he defends himself by saying that it is only "normal" and
    that he is not "superhuman" or an "android - so don't preach to me!!"

    Out of Christian pity, others are moved to try to help him cut loose from
    these demons that haunt him, but try as they may, he prefers the sin to
    really getting rid of the sin.  At some point, he knows that he cannot tell
    certain people too much of what really happened because then they will
    point out how he made a conscious choice at one point, and he should
    have known better.  He doesn't want to hear it.  

    So the priest is doing a good thing by counseling his faithful to stay away
    from someone who is like that.  

    And the man should not hold it against the priest but should be taking his
    own blame for being responsible for his own sins and for not doing what he
    really needs to do to stop his sinful habits.  Only he can do that.  When
    other people try to help him, he thinks it is his challenge to corrupt them
    too, so that then he can be justified in his own pertinacity.



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