Author Topic: Should Laymen love God and the Mass too? (Read 1546 times)

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #5 on:** May 16, 2016, 04:26:19 PM »

Why aren't the men in category B better than they are? That's a good question.

The men in category B from Matthew's OP are a step up from your average Novus Ordo male but just being better than Novus Ordites is not a good way to Love Our Lord and His Mass.

Laymen should take it one small step at a time, with each step a small increase in devotion. These laymen are attending the TLM so they are already on the right path.

It really is, in the end, a mystery.

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #6 on:** May 16, 2016, 04:36:43 PM »

Great topic. We built an altar in our garage so my younger sons can be taught to serve. Also I forced them to be in the choir for a year to learn the basics of chant for the Mass. My next goal is to buy a piano so we can dive deeper into that because I believe this generation of boys will be the men that will lead the Restoration. Once you learn a song you remember it for life.

I will also be purchasing liturgical items to store in my home for potential traveling priests or to start an underground house church. You never know!

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #7 on:** May 16, 2016, 06:08:25 PM »

I've been told by experienced priests that it's best to have adult and boy altar servers together. Otherwise the boys often see Catholicism as a childish thing they must put aside with other childish things when their childhood is over. The idea grows that religion is for women and children, not for "real" men. Quite a mistake to make, after all.

What is most needed is a MALE Catholic education primarily for young men. Women's education is vastly easier to accomplish. Men's education is the great challenge that can turn everything around.

And it's the FRANCISCANS who should be the ones to carry the brunt of this hard work. Then Benedictines would provide a stable base and Dominicans do the preaching, but FRANCISCANS need to do the HEAVY lifting for MEN'S Catholic education. And the Franciscans need to be like dead men to this world and fight to the death against the prevailing anti-intellectual, provincial (i.e., barbaric) mindset that is actually one and the same with Feminism. Feminism and Rambo redneck idiocy are nothing but the two sides of exactly the same Jansenist & Anabaptist mindset of heresy & apostasy.

We have our work cut out for us. REAL men's Catholic education is where the war is won and lost. Time to begin winning that war for a change...

In particular, Benedictines and Franciscans have vast labours to achieve. We need to focus primarily on them, be ambitious for God (& His People & Church) and not overly nice to our fellow males of the species. When men take holy pride in being men they will see the desirability of entering into the Roman Catholic clergy. Especially Benedictine and Franciscan clergy.

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #8 on:** May 16, 2016, 06:43:21 PM »

Quote from: Franciscan Solitary

I've been told by experienced priests that it's best to have adult and boy altar servers together. Otherwise the boys often see Catholicism as a childish thing they must put aside with other childish things when their childhood is over. The idea grows that religion is for women and children, not for "real" men. Quite a mistake to make, after all.

What is most needed is a MALE Catholic education primarily for young men. Women's education is vastly easier to accomplish. Men's education is the great challenge that can turn everything around.

And it's the FRANCISCANS who should be the ones to carry the brunt of this hard work. Then Benedictines would provide a stable base and Dominicans do the preaching, but FRANCISCANS need to do the HEAVY lifting for MEN'S Catholic education. And the Franciscans need to be like dead men to this world and fight to the death against the prevailing anti-intellectual, provincial (i.e., barbaric) mindset that is actually one and the same with Feminism. Feminism and Rambo redneck idiocy are nothing but the two sides of exactly the same Jansenist & Anabaptist mindset of heresy & apostasy.

We have our work cut out for us. REAL men's Catholic education is where the war is won and lost. Time to begin winning that war for a change...

In particular, Benedictines and Franciscans have vast labours to achieve. We need to focus primarily on them, be ambitious for God (& His People & Church) and not overly nice to our fellow males of the species. When men take holy pride in being men they will see the desirability of entering into the Roman Catholic clergy. Especially Benedictine and Franciscan clergy.

Continued comment:

Absolutely right that virtually all the adult men (unless some actual physical or mental weakness prevents them) should be actively serving Mass! Then the boys would simply tag along in order to become real men. The focus among altar servers should be on men, and only secondarily on boys.

AND Catholic men should use that as a basis for an on-going interest in the education of young men (and sometimes older men too). There is another ingredient in this however. The men also require a military spirit. Not Keystone Cop running around with guns and knives, but more an actual sense of Knighthood among us. The men's education needs to have a military focus, again not superfluous weaponry but actually a real sense of nobility and Catholic aristocracy. Basically we're all nobles now and the Mass of 1962 (and Breviary of 1961) are key to realising this truth.

We should train virtually all the young men to be noblemen. Literally and with appropriate holy pride and (as Catholic warriors) even holy warrior arrogance towards the enemies of God. We men are not called to be overly "nice". We absolutely need the Catholic women for that; they can be good at niceness whereas we Catholic men never will be. We should be strong, courteous and a little nice, but not too much.

Also men's education must always fully include training in vocational work skills. Financial stability is always key for male innocence in future and all Catholic men should be innocent men. No difference between Catholic clergymen and laymen there.

We need to go seriously whole hog with this.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2016, 01:40:31 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

I've heard single Catholic women lament that there are only two types of men:

A) Those with a vocation to the priesthood or religious life, who love God, take their Faith seriously, are very knowledgeable about the Faith, are able to deny themselves and fast, they have self-discipline, serve Mass, know the basic prayers, say a daily Rosary, make a thanksgiving after communion, know and sing various Catholic hymns and chant, and in general they place God first in their lives

B) Those without a vocation who are pretty much the opposite.

I've heard single Catholic men lament that there are no marriageable women who love God, take their Faith seriously, are very knowledgeable about the Faith, are able to deny themselves and fast, they have self-discipline, serve Mass, know the basic prayers, say a daily Rosary, make a thanksgiving after communion, know and sing various Catholic hymns and chant, and in general they place God first in their lives.

In fact I see these poor men bring in girls from the streets all the time, to see if they can convert them. As a matter of fact, I can count at least 12 young men like this at my chapel's Sunday mass. I can see clearly that the girls do not want to be there. I can see more than that with the way they dress.