Author Topic: Should I stomach the heresy and become a religious? (Read 3176 times)

TCat · « **on:** August 03, 2013, 04:55:19 PM »

Ok, so I'm new here, but I want answers, so here goes.
I have often heard it said that someone has a "vocation" to do something, like join a religious order, but I'm not sure about doing it. I want to do it, but I don't agree with what happens in the Vatican 2 church, and there is no religious order or monastery that it is likely I will get in to that is not corrupted unto extremes by the spirit of Vatican 2.

I don't like novus ordo mass,
don't want to hear protestant hyms,
don't want to see guitars and violins and pianos at mass.
don't want to be in the same building as people dancing and clapping like a party at mass
don't want to get liberal and often heretical notions from novus ordo priests
don't want to see the pope, if he is the pope ( I wonder about this) placing a beach ball on the alter, or saying that women should have more roles in the church, or saying who is he to judge gαys.
etc.

What I do want to do is devote this life to returning the church to orthodoxy, not that I will succeed, but when I go to my judgement I don't want to seem as if I have done anything else with this life because nothing else is this important.

I took a private vow of chastity when I was 23, I am 28 now and have stuck to it, although I wonder if I should get married and as a man take the strength of having a good woman who loves me and use it to give me courage as I fight from the outside without censorship for the return to tradition.

I cannot attend the TLM where I live because there is only a handful of TLMs in the whole country. I love writing and some notion I have is to go to a place where there is TLM and live as a hermit just writing books, only thing is, Ive met a nice girl and don't want to have regrets years later if I was supposed to get married. Don't know what to do to be honest.
What do I do?

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** August 03, 2013, 04:57:55 PM »

Have you tried the traditional orders affiliated with groups like the CMRI and the SSPX and now the resistance? I would never recommend anyone to join a heretical Novus Ordo religious order.

Novus Weirdo · « **Reply #2 on:** August 03, 2013, 05:01:12 PM »

First thing you should do is beware that there are many modernist thinking women on these boards who will convince you to take some sort of action which goes against your better judgement.

This is an issue in which the only advice you should seek should come from men.

TCat · « **Reply #3 on:** August 03, 2013, 05:09:38 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Have you tried the traditional orders affiliated with groups like the CMRI and the SSPX and now the resistance? I would never recommend anyone to join a heretical Novus Ordo religious order.

I'm not aware of a group called the "resistance" or the CMRI. I'm in Ireland and the only trad group here is the SSPX, but I don't think I would be accepted by them because I've never gone to their churches before ( so they don't know me) and because they might be too strict in their entry requirements. Some orders don't take you if you have a criminal record or other reasons like not having a degree or something. I did not try any of these groups.

Quote from: Novus Weirdo

First thing you should do is beware that there are many modernist thinking women on these boards who will convince you to take some sort of action which goes against your better judgement.

This is an issue in which the only advice you should seek should come from men.

I agree with you novus weirdo, only a man understands my predicament, women have their own struggles. I will listen to any advice and give it extra attention if it is written by men.

shin · « **Reply #4 on:** August 03, 2013, 05:16:57 PM »

Well, reading 'Vocations Explained' can help a bit.

Sigismund · « **Reply #5 on:** August 03, 2013, 05:25:39 PM »

Quote from: TCat

Ok, so I'm new here, but I want answers, so here goes.
I have often heard it said that someone has a "vocation" to do something, like join a religious order, but I'm not sure about doing it. I want to do it, but I don't agree with what happens in the Vatican 2 church, and there is no religious order or monastery that it is likely I will get in to that is not corrupted unto extremes by the spirit of Vatican 2.

I don't like novus ordo mass,
don't want to hear protestant hyms,
don't want to see guitars and violins and pianos at mass.
don't want to be in the same building as people dancing and clapping like a party at mass
don't want to get liberal and often heretical notions from novus ordo priests
don't want to see the pope, if he is the pope ( I wonder about this) placing a beach ball on the alter, or saying that women should have more roles in the church, or saying who is he to judge gαys.
etc.

What I do want to do is devote this life to returning the church to orthodoxy, not that I will succeed, but when I go to my judgement I don't want to seem as if I have done anything else with this life because nothing else is this important.

I took a private vow of chastity when I was 23, I am 28 now and have stuck to it, although I wonder if I should get married and as a man take the strength of having a good woman who loves me and use it to give me courage as I fight from the outside without censorship for the return to tradition.

I cannot attend the TLM where I live because there is only a handful of TLMs in the whole country. I love writing and some notion I have is to go to a place where there is TLM and live as a hermit just writing books, only thing is, Ive met a nice girl and don't want to have regrets years later if I was supposed to get married. Don't know what to do to be honest.
What do I do?

You might think abut the FSSP as well.

Marlelar · « **Reply #6 on:** August 03, 2013, 05:32:01 PM »

Well I'm not a man, but if you were MY son, and I am more than old enough to be your mother, I'd tell you to talk to a good traditional priest. Laymen will not be able to give you the best advice.

If SSPX is all you have then start there, talking with them will not commit you to anything. There are traditional orders in the US that you might be able to correspond with and arrange a visit.

As a mother I would advise my son to stay far away from anything to do w/the Novus Ordo.

Marsha

Mabel · « **Reply #7 on:** August 03, 2013, 05:32:08 PM »

I have no inclination to influence you one way or the other. But I want to tell you that CMRI will talk to you, even if they don't know you, and even go so far as to aid you in coming stateside for a visit, if it should come to that. I know members of their religous order and as far as my personal experience goes, I think they do a lot of good, I'd have no qualms about my own son joining. They will also answer all of your questions and maybe even suggest an alternative. You will be really surprised at how far they will go to aid families as well as those with vocations, should you have the chance to make contact.

Here is a link with info http://www.cmri.org/cmri-vocations.html

Graham · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2013, 05:58:50 PM »

Here's a question. Is it truly necessary to be attached to an order? There have been plenty of unattached hermits throughout history. I can see how such a course might be asking for trouble, especially if the soul is not especially well-formed. But is it as risky as attaching oneself to a liberal order? There is a real dearth of options for the deadly serious religious. TCat, you have my sympathy. All I can say is, do not join a modernist order. Do anything but that. To the gallery: is the SSPX still an option? There are monks, like the Dom Thomas Aquinas, who are fleeing the SSPX for its incipient liberalism. If the choice is between a conciliar monastery and one attached to the SSPX, the latter is the obvious course. We return, however, to my original question.

Mysterium Fidei · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2013, 06:02:04 PM »

Well, if you don't want to be corrupted by the Novus Ordo Mass and the Conciliar Church then you need to disassociate yourself from that body. That is the most important thing.

If the SSPX is the only alternative in your area, then I would advise contacting them and talking to one of their priests.

Also, as suggested by Mabel, I highly recommend CMRI. You should know that they are Sedevacantist but they are a very good group. I'm sure they would be happy to talk to you and answer any questions you have. I don't think they have any priests in Ireland so that alternative could be more involved.

As others have said, I think the best thing for you to do is to make contact with a Traditional Priest and talk to him.

songbird · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2013, 06:12:12 PM »

Here is a suggestion about this young lady. My Aunt was seeing 2 very good men and she wondered who shall she choose. Her mother advised her to go on a trip, go and ride horses that she loved to do. Go for a few weeks away and when she returned she knew who she would marry. I did the same only I already knew my one and only, and I can say, I sure missed him. It was like I left a part of me behind.

CMRI is the only one at this time. Chapter 12 of Daniel will tell you whats coming, no mass for 3 and a half years. We are remnant now.

poche · « **Reply #11 on:** August 04, 2013, 01:05:37 AM »

Why don't you visit the Sons of St Alphonsus?

The Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer are a new group within the Church sprung from a return to the sources (ressourcement) of their spiritual family founded by St Alphonsus. Logically, the first and most fundamental return, indeed the sine qua non, was to the old Mass as it had been celebrated by our Saint himself. Much has been said about this and, indeed, there is not enough that can be said about the importance of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Suffice it to say here, within the limited boundaries of an introduction, that with the old Mass the Transalpine Redemptorists began, as by a baptism of fire, their return to the wellsprings of the Redemptorist family.Conjoint with a return to the old Mass they were also invited to return to the old Rules and to the study of the life and writings of St Alphonsus Maria and his first companions. Those early lives, texts and times, and their application to our own times, were, and remain, the goal of the fledgling community from its first beginnings in 1988. In this regard there were two particularly important findings: * Firstly, in those source docuмents, there was the strong emphasis on a life of solitude that was joined to the apostolic life and...* Secondly, and less visible, the organization of the monastic and apostolic life into four dedicated periods or seasons. The blueprint for the Transalpine Redemptorists’ work was the Pontifical Rule approved by the Church in 1749. Here the members are told that: “they must be great lovers of solitude, and shall not leave their cells without necessity…” From here they progressed.

http://papastronsay.blogspot.com/2010/08/feast-of-st-alphonsus.html

Marlelar · « **Reply #12 on:** August 04, 2013, 01:40:12 AM »

I think the Transalpine Redemptorists have gone over to the Novus Ordo church.

Marsha

poche · « **Reply #13 on:** August 04, 2013, 01:45:48 AM »

Quote from: Marlelar

I think the Transalpine Redemptorists have gone over to the Novus Ordo church.

Marsha

They are like the FSSP. Theyare in full communion with the Pope but without the beachball on the altar.

reconquest · « **Reply #14 on:** August 04, 2013, 02:03:19 AM »

Quote from: Graham

Here's a question. Is it truly necessary to be attached to an order? There have been plenty of unattached hermits throughout history. I can see how such a course might be asking for trouble, especially if the soul is not especially well-formed. But is it as risky as attaching oneself to a liberal order? There is a real dearth of options for the deadly serious religious. TCat, you have my sympathy. All I can say is, do not join a modernist order. Do anything but that. To the gallery: is the SSPX still an option? There are monks, like the Dom Thomas Aquinas, who are fleeing the SSPX for its incipient liberalism. If the choice is between a conciliar monastery and one attached to the SSPX, the latter is the obvious course. We return, however, to my original question.

It's obviously not necessary but I would think the tutelage, accountability and authority provided by an order are pretty important for most people.