Author Topic: Should high paid pro atheletes get paternity leave ? (Read 1919 times)

Mabel · « **Reply #15 on:** April 06, 2014, 09:31:33 PM »

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I was present for the birth of every one of my children. I owned the company, so there was no one who could tell me I could not be. I made sure that the male employees who worked for me could be present for the birth of their children.

The suggestion that work, especially work so irrelevant and pointless as professional sports, should get in the way of this is simply stupid. Are you married, Corssbro? Any children yet? If not, please don't lecture those of us who are about taking care of our families. And if so, literally for God's sake get your priorities straight.

The reason why certain people have never married is painfully obvious to everyone around them once they begin to share their ideas on married life. :ape:

crossbro · « **Reply #16 on:** April 06, 2014, 11:13:54 PM »

Quote from: Mabel

Quote from: Sigismund
I was present for the birth of every one of my children. I owned the company, so there was no one who could tell me I could not be. I made sure that the male employees who worked for me could be present for the birth of their children.

The suggestion that work, especially work so irrelevant and pointless as professional sports, should get in the way of this is simply stupid. Are you married, Corssbro? Any children yet? If not, please don't lecture those of us who are about taking care of our families. And if so, literally for God's sake get your priorities straight.

The reason why certain people have never married is painfully obvious to everyone around them once they begin to share their ideas on married life. :ape:

sigismund glad you gave your employees the day off even though they had multi-million dollar contracts and tens of thousands of fans waiting to watch them play. Sports might be pointless and irrelevant to you, but I am sure those players who earn millions and the fans who pay hundreds to watch games feel differently.

Mabel perhaps your post would have had the sting in it you intended if it were not for the fact that I lived with a woman for 5 years back in my 20s and dumped her when she would not accept the fact I was not interested in marriage. I have been proposed to since then and quickly ended those relationships.

I probably won't have much luck finding a fitting woman going to a TLMer chapel, I find most of those type of women boring and for some reason most seem to have a stale and obnoxious odor. Most of them are also snide and uppity and quick with insults.

OHCA · « **Reply #17 on:** April 06, 2014, 11:23:21 PM »

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Quote from: Mabel
Quote from: Sigismund
I was present for the birth of every one of my children. I owned the company, so there was no one who could tell me I could not be. I made sure that the male employees who worked for me could be present for the birth of their children.

The suggestion that work, especially work so irrelevant and pointless as professional sports, should get in the way of this is simply stupid. Are you married, Corssbro? Any children yet? If not, please don't lecture those of us who are about taking care of our families. And if so, literally for God's sake get your priorities straight.

The reason why certain people have never married is painfully obvious to everyone around them once they begin to share their ideas on married life. :ape:

sigismund glad you gave your employees the day off even though they had multi-million dollar contracts and tens of thousands of fans waiting to watch them play. Sports might be pointless and irrelevant to you, but I am sure those players who earn millions and the fans who pay hundreds to watch games feel differently.

Mabel perhaps your post would have had the sting in it you intended if it were not for the fact that I lived with a woman for 5 years back in my 20s and dumped her when she would not accept the fact I was not interested in marriage. I have been proposed to since then and quickly ended those relationships.

I probably won't have much luck finding a fitting woman going to a TLMer chapel, I find most of those type of women boring and for some reason most seem to have a stale and obnoxious odor. Most of them are also snide and uppity and quick with insults.

WOW ^^ What a way to flaunt a prior live-in arrangement and to insult traditional Catholic women!!

I, for one, kind of agreed with your initial point. But this post is rude, uncharitable, anti-Catholic, and utterly indefensible.

crossbro · « **Reply #18 on:** April 06, 2014, 11:26:55 PM »

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Quote from: Sigismund
I was present for the birth of every one of my children. I owned the company, so there was no one who could tell me I could not be. I made sure that the male employees who worked for me could be present for the birth of their children.

The suggestion that work, especially work so irrelevant and pointless as professional sports, should get in the way of this is simply stupid. Are you married, Corssbro? Any children yet? If not, please don't lecture those of us who are about taking care of our families. And if so, literally for God's sake get your priorities straight.

The reason why certain people have never married is painfully obvious to everyone around them once they begin to share their ideas on married life. :ape:

sigismund glad you gave your employees the day off even though they had multi-million dollar contracts and tens of thousands of fans waiting to watch them play. Sports might be pointless and irrelevant to you, but I am sure those players who earn millions and the fans who pay hundreds to watch games feel differently.

Mabel perhaps your post would have had the sting in it you intended if it were not for the fact that I lived with a woman for 5 years back in my 20s and dumped her when she would not accept the fact I was not interested in marriage. I have been proposed to since then and quickly ended those relationships.

I probably won't have much luck finding a fitting woman going to a TLMer chapel, I find most of those type of women boring and for some reason most seem to have a stale and obnoxious odor. Most of them are also snide and uppity and quick with insults.

WOW ^^ What a way to flaunt a prior live-in arrangement and to insult traditional Catholic women!!

I, for one, kind of agreed with your initial point. But this post is rude, uncharitable, anti-Catholic, and utterly indefensible.

Are you talking to me or Mabel who aimed a snide remark at me and finished it off with the ape smiley ?

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 06, 2014, 11:31:26 PM »

Insult of "traditional" Catholic women aside and aside from crossbro's poor choice of words and actions crossbro is right in that most of your "Trad" girls are very uppity and look down on those like myself who enter those churches. In fact a lot of "Trad" girls spoiled by their father, have no ideal work ethic and despise hard work other than showing how good of a "housewife" they can be, and even that is more for vanity about themselves rather than actual care for their husband and children.

I'm not going to argue that pro-athletes should not see their children being born but on other grounds women do not understand that sometimes a "man has to do what a man has to do." And that is why women are the loudest to complain about a man "boxing for existence," or their husband doing his duty and doing military service, or their husband not spending time with her or the children since he has to work for their existence.

crossbro · « **Reply #20 on:** April 06, 2014, 11:54:29 PM »

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Insult of "traditional" Catholic women aside and aside from crossbro's poor choice of words and actions crossbro is right in that most of your "Trad" girls are very uppity and look down on those like myself who enter those churches. In fact a lot of "Trad" girls spoiled by their father, have no ideal work ethic and despise hard work other than showing how good of a "housewife" they can be, and even that is more for vanity about themselves rather than actual care for their husband and children.

I'm not going to argue that pro-athletes should not see their children being born but on other grounds women do not understand that sometimes a "man has to do what a man has to do." And that is why women are the loudest to complain about a man "boxing for existence," or their husband doing his duty and doing military service, or their husband not spending time with her or the children since he has to work for their existence.

That is what my cousin went through during his first marriage when he was in the military. Every time he had to report for duty she treated him like he had a choice and verbally attacked him every time he went out the door. he is the nicest guy you could ever meet and she took the kids and went back to mommy.

He met the sweetest Mormon girl you could ever meet and converted to Mormonism. She and the Mormon girls I know are the sweetest and nicest women I have ever met, they really know how to treat a man. Yes, I am disappointed he converted from Catholicism.

rcentros · « **Reply #21 on:** April 07, 2014, 07:17:23 AM »

Quote from: crossbro

Of course, we are not talking about little league here, the guy has a contract for almost 6 million dollars.

Why are you so hung up on the amount of money this player makes? If he made less money would it be okay in your mind that he took a day off for the birth of his child? The paycheck amount is totally irrelevant. It's the player's priorities that count. And he has his right and you've got your's wrong.

Memorare · « **Reply #22 on:** April 07, 2014, 07:23:29 AM »

Well, I have known men to watch sports on the TV while wife is laboring ....

I think professional sports are a hideous waste of time for men. Not to mention waste of money.

rcentros · « **Reply #23 on:** April 07, 2014, 07:39:20 AM »

Quote from: crossbro

Mabel perhaps your post would have had the sting in it you intended if it were not for the fact that I lived with a woman for 5 years back in my 20s and dumped her when she would not accept the fact I was not interested in marriage. I have been proposed to since then and quickly ended those relationships.

Are you bragging? About this? Really?

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I probably won't have much luck finding a fitting woman going to a TLMer chapel, I find most of those type of women boring and for some reason most seem to have a stale and obnoxious odor. Most of them are also snide and uppity and quick with insults.

Wow. I don't know where you're going to Mass, but I've personally seen a lot of patient, hard-working wives and mothers in the TLM chapels I attend (and have attended). When they've got eight children stair-stepped and born in about 10 years, it's a little hard to believe a word you say (or is it that what the other "gentleman" said?) about them not having much of a "work ethic." Have you any clue what a sacrifice it is to take care of multiple small children? -- and simultaneously take care of the house and shopping and bills? And you're going to compare this with the work men do?

Quite bluntly, the behavior you've displayed here might account for the "snide and uppity TLM women" who are "quick with their insults." It looks to me like you've got a perpetual chip on your shoulder and you "perceive" what is not there.

BTW, the only reason for a Catholic man to enter into any kind of a relationship" with a woman (who should be a Catholic woman), is to see if she and he are compatible for marriage. There is no other reason for Catholic courtship. I'm kind of curious what sort of Catholic TLM chapel you're attending. This is elementary doctrine. There seems to be a big disconnect here.

rcentros · « **Reply #24 on:** April 07, 2014, 07:43:46 AM »

Quote from: Memorare

Well, I have known men to watch sports on the TV while wife is laboring ....

I think professional sports are a hideous waste of time for men. Not to mention waste of money.

Yep. Bread and circuses. The same thing that kept the indolent happy in decadent Rome when the empire was crumbling. That said, I still watch too many games (mostly baseball) and waste too much time with sports' stats, etc. And it's not a good thing for me. I get perturbed when my teams loses, and angry at the umps/refs over ... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. A child's game played by overpaid adults. When you think about it, it's the height of stupidity. And people actually get killed over the outcome of these games.

crossbro · « **Reply #25 on:** April 07, 2014, 09:26:37 AM »

Quote from: Memorare

Well, I have known men to watch sports on the TV while wife is laboring ....

I think professional sports are a hideous waste of time for men. Not to mention waste of money.

Well, I have known women to watch soap operas and talk shows on TV while the man was laboring....

I know women who go out and spend on themselves lavishly at the mall and getting their nails and hair done while the kids are in school and in need of new shoes- the man ?- He is working over 12 hours a day trying to pay for his "catch".

Memorare · « **Reply #26 on:** April 07, 2014, 02:04:01 PM »

:detective:

LOL ! Yes and come home with some hideous hair styles.

It's ALL a waste of money and time.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 07, 2014, 06:12:13 PM »

Quote from: rcentros

Wow. I don't know where you're going to Mass, but I've personally seen a lot of patient, hard-working wives and mothers in the TLM chapels I attend (and have attended). When they've got eight children stair-stepped and born in about 10 years, it's a little hard to believe a word you say (or is it that what the other "gentleman" said?) about them not having much of a "work ethic." Have you any clue what a sacrifice it is to take care of multiple small children? -- and simultaneously take care of the house and shopping and bills? And you're going to compare this with the work men do?

Quite bluntly, the behavior you've displayed here might account for the "snide and uppity TLM women" who are "quick with their insults." It looks to me like you've got a perpetual chip on your shoulder and you "perceive" what is not there.

BTW, the only reason for a Catholic man to enter into any kind of a relationship" with a woman (who should be a Catholic woman), is to see if she and he are compatible for marriage. There is no other reason for Catholic courtship. I'm kind of curious what sort of Catholic TLM chapel you're attending. This is elementary doctrine. There seems to be a big disconnect here.

I will say it bluntly again most Trad women do not have a honorable work ethic in that they do not like hard work, can't stand getting dirty, etc. Most of these girls have been spoiled by their rich father and care nothing for sympathy for a poor boy like me. Also the man pays for the groceries and the bills so stop trying to compare the work men do to the work women do. These creatures are not the angels that you mythologize them to be.

OHCA · « **Reply #28 on:** April 07, 2014, 08:58:22 PM »

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: rcentros
Wow. I don't know where you're going to Mass, but I've personally seen a lot of patient, hard-working wives and mothers in the TLM chapels I attend (and have attended). When they've got eight children stair-stepped and born in about 10 years, it's a little hard to believe a word you say (or is it that what the other "gentleman" said?) about them not having much of a "work ethic." Have you any clue what a sacrifice it is to take care of multiple small children? -- and simultaneously take care of the house and shopping and bills? And you're going to compare this with the work men do?

Quite bluntly, the behavior you've displayed here might account for the "snide and uppity TLM women" who are "quick with their insults." It looks to me like you've got a perpetual chip on your shoulder and you "perceive" what is not there.

BTW, the only reason for a Catholic man to enter into any kind of a relationship" with a woman (who should be a Catholic woman), is to see if she and he are compatible for marriage. There is no other reason for Catholic courtship. I'm kind of curious what sort of Catholic TLM chapel you're attending. This is elementary doctrine. There seems to be a big disconnect here.

I will say it bluntly again most Trad women do not have a honorable work ethic in that they do not like hard work, can't stand getting dirty, etc. Most of these girls have been spoiled by their rich father and care nothing for sympathy for a poor boy like me. Also the man pays for the groceries and the bills so stop trying to compare the work men do to the work women do. These creatures are not the angels that you mythologize them to be.

Are you suggesting that it's preferable that Catholic women work outside the home?

OHCA · « **Reply #29 on:** April 07, 2014, 09:22:29 PM »

Crossbro--yes, that was directed at you. It was too harsh of an assessment of traditional Catholic women. Where do you attend Mass? Maybe that's how it's like with the smells & bells women in TLMs within conciliardom. But that has never been my experience among traditional women, not even when I was still lost in conciliardom.

Also, I think you're overly obsessed with sports and don't get the importance of births and family.

That said, I will say again that barring special circuмstances (c-section, complications, no family near to help, etc), that it's effeminate & fαɢɢօtesque for a man to take off more than a few days of maternity leave.