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Offline SoldierOfChrist

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Sex vs. Gender
« on: August 09, 2013, 12:50:06 AM »
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  • Didn't want to derail yet another topic by starting a side-discussion.

    I was recently reading a news story about gender and restrooms in the public schools, and I got to thinking, where the heck did this dichotomy of sex vs. gender come from?  There couldn't have been a need for it in the past.  So I looked it up on wikipedia.

    "Sexologist John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role in 1955."

    He had a lot of subversive ideas about the roles of the sexes as you can imagine.  One of his statements was the following:

    "If I were to see the case of a boy aged ten or eleven who's intensely erotically attracted toward a man in his twenties or thirties, if the relationship is totally mutual, and the bonding is genuinely totally mutual ... then I would not call it pathological in any way."

    For this reason, I think that we should give people a mini-bio on John Money any time that they insist on using the word 'gender'.  Remind them that their usage was invented by a disordered psychologist who thought that there was nothing pathological about an infatuation between a man in his twenties and a ten year old boy.


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    Sex vs. Gender
    « Reply #1 on: August 09, 2013, 01:09:56 AM »
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  • I've thought about it a lot in terms of language constantly changing. I hate the way language is changing to reflect modernism. However, in terms of my children I want them to say boy or girl/male or female for now, but I sometimes say gender if I am talking to another adult in front of them. The reason why...I don't want them saying the word "sex" and being misunderstood in today's perverse society. My children are seldom out of my presence but I don't want the use of the word and a misunderstanding, or even a bad comment to turn into a discussion that we don't need to have. It is also a safeguard for them not to know the word for many other reasons, most of them having to do with situations that could hurt their innocence and purity.


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    Sex vs. Gender
    « Reply #2 on: August 09, 2013, 11:04:45 AM »
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  • I think that's good to know.

    I agree that John Money is extremely messed-up if that's what he believed.

    I'm glad that the quote conveyed the message without being graphic. That's always important when posting on a Catholic forum.
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    Sex vs. Gender
    « Reply #3 on: August 09, 2013, 03:04:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mabel
    I've thought about it a lot in terms of language constantly changing. I hate the way language is changing to reflect modernism. However, in terms of my children I want them to say boy or girl/male or female for now, but I sometimes say gender if I am talking to another adult in front of them. The reason why...I don't want them saying the word "sex" and being misunderstood in today's perverse society. My children are seldom out of my presence but I don't want the use of the word and a misunderstanding, or even a bad comment to turn into a discussion that we don't need to have. It is also a safeguard for them not to know the word for many other reasons, most of them having to do with situations that could hurt their innocence and purity.

    What about the word "virgin"? I didn't know what it meant until I was about 11, but I remember being asked before then if I was a virgin, and I wasn't sure, but I thought it might be blasphemous to say that I was, because it might be a title peculiar to the Virgin Mary!

    (Kids would ask things like that to catch you out, along with questions like "Are you a homo sapien (sic)?" and "Are you a heterosɛҳuąƖ?")

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    « Reply #4 on: August 09, 2013, 03:18:42 PM »
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  • You know, they have asked about it, from hearing it referenced in prayer, and we've given them a nice, simple definition.

    Many non-Catholics still say "virgin" when talking about Our Lady.

    Priests don't say the "s" word in any context when giving a sermon or talk with children present but they do say virgin, usually in reference to Sacred Scripture or a title of Our Lady. I think that such a model of speech is a safer route. If children do repeat the word "virgin" they are most likely to use it in a title or prayer, and probably not in the company of non-Catholics. I think there is less likely a risk for scandal or ridicule with the word "virgin" as the other word actually is used more in secular company.



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    « Reply #5 on: August 09, 2013, 07:28:55 PM »
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  • .

    As I experienced it, the word "gender" started to be used
    in place of "sex" on paperwork, like application forms and
    government docuмents, sometime in the late 1970s.  As
    I recall, I first saw it on a DMV form (motor vehicles) in
    1978.  I recall having thought it was really stupid that they
    would remove the proper word, "sex," from the form and
    replace it with a word that means a grammatical case of
    a word, not the physical reality of the person that the
    word represents.  At the time, it seemed to me that the
    department form no longer was asking for what sex the
    applicant is, but rather what's the gender that he would
    like his name to represent.

    Looking back at it now, it's more like,  "HOW WOULD YOU
    LIKE TO PRESENT YOURSELF TODAY, AS MALE OR FEMALE?"

    The word "man" is masculine gender, but the man is of the
    male sex -- in an objective world, that is.  But our world
    these days is no longer objective, but has become subjective.

    And now, as others have pointed out in this thread, we are
    living in a time when the innocence of children is at stake.  
    And therefore, the wiles of a perverted culture dictates the
    proper use of language, even among people who are not
    perverted themselves.

    Such as a priest giving a sermon - he should be able to say
    "sex" when that is the appropriate term.  But now, the word
    might bring the wrong thoughts to children listening to him.
    So, the rules of language use are changed by perverts, and
    good men are forced to comply with their gutter ideals.

    Only when the ilk of Howard Stern and others have their
    way, does the word "sex" become a thing of salacious
    and prurient interest, no longer meaning the chromosomal
    identity of a man or beast but the activity in which they
    would be capable of engaging, directed normally toward the
    procreation or progeneration of their respective species.




    Our Lady has been quoted as saying that she desires
    that the youth of America become devoted toward
    the pursuit of purity in thought, word and deed.  



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    Sex vs. Gender
    « Reply #6 on: August 09, 2013, 07:36:27 PM »
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  • I agree Neil, completely. I don't like the term one bit. I try to avoid the word "gender" even if it makes me sound wordy when I speak, but there are times when you have to carefully choose words.

    Sadly, traditional Catholics are not so careful with other words when little ears are about. It is a strong point to consider that it can never hurt to exercise extreme caution when children are involved.

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    Sex vs. Gender
    « Reply #7 on: August 10, 2013, 01:13:24 AM »
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  • A very disquieting observation I've made in recent years when talking to college students (and recent graduates) is that the new, false distinction between sex and gender is now taken as an article of faith, a priori. This artificial deconstruction of the concept of sex (for which the poor, innocent grammatical term "gender" was deceptively conscripted into service) is the reason why the disorder of transɛҳuąƖism has, in the space of 1-2 decades, been made over and rehabilitated into the "culture" of "transgenderism."

    If you protest that a person's sex is an immutable, objective ontological fact, the well-educated 25 year old moron will respond "Oh no, 'sex' and 'gender' are two totally different concepts... 'sex' is physical, 'gender' is psychological." And then this unthinking young man (or woman. or... whatever) will proceed to explain that this means that, if a person's physical "sex" is not in accord with his or her psychological "gender," then the former may be (nay, must be) surgically altered to conform with the latter.

    I have therefore come to see the widespread conflation of "gender" and "sex" in everyday parlance as an ongoing social engineering campaign; something akin to the "time bombs" the late Michael Davies spoke of: First, get the public to use the grammatical term "gender" in place of the word "sex" under a pretense of preservation of decorum. Second, see to it that "sex" and "gender" soon become so conflated that they are used interchangeably. Finally, invent from whole cloth college courses called "gender studies / theory" in order to implant the idea that "sex" and "gender" are indeed separate, distinct concepts, but not in the sense once universally understood; rather that "sex" shall henceforth refer to the merely physical condition of the person (completely alterable) and "gender" shall refer to the psychological "self-identification" of the person, to be respected and revered above all else, including (especially) the formerly universally accepted objective, God-given, ontological fact of sex.  

    This error is now so widespread, so universally presumed, it is in the very air we breathe. No quarter of society is beyond its reach.

    Impygate, anyone?  


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    « Reply #8 on: August 10, 2013, 01:51:51 AM »
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  • I probably should have mentioned when I started this topic that in no way do I mean to criticize Matthew or other Catholics of sound thinking for using the word gender.  As others have mentioned, words have changed in the past 40 years, forcing us to adopt some less than ideal verbage in order not to scandalize children, etc.  

    My point was that when we encounter aggressively fallen individuals who feel the need to push their distorted perceptions of reality on us, that we should remind them of where they got their words from.  I just like a good fight with the enemy and I wanted to share some of my tactics with the group.