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Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 11, 2012, 08:30:03 AM
I have been hearing many different theories regarding the attacks of 9/11.  What is your opinion?  I have even heard folks deny it. I watch television, and lost a femily friend in Manhattan.   I believe the attacks were terrorist in nature.  

What do you believe?
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: lefebvre_fan on September 11, 2012, 08:36:05 AM
Mossad did it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bG3Q3bkH_0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bG3Q3bkH_0)

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html)

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1#.UE89U1Gmu1s (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1#.UE89U1Gmu1s)

http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-good-for-israel-1.244044 (http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-good-for-israel-1.244044)
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on September 11, 2012, 08:36:45 AM
Well let me put this in perspective: During the Clinton era we bombed and put sanctions on Iraq that killed half a million Iraqi children, we force our sick and vile culture on the Islamic world, we prop up dictators and oligarchs who oppress them and steal and squander their wealth, we give the Israelis the weapons to crush the Palestinian people, we try to spread feminism in the Islamic world, we put soldiers, especially women soldiers on sacred Muslim soil near their holy sites, which Muslims saw as an act of defilment of America sending their temple prostitutes, etc.

After all of this don't you think terrorism would occur?

And no I'm not defending the 9/11 attacks. The terrorists were evil.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 11, 2012, 09:15:47 AM
Ron Paul talks about blowback and how our policies cause anger...not that it would justify such an act of murder. Such a tragedy.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 11, 2012, 09:18:50 AM
Inside job, Bush administration, military-industrial complex, coupled possibly w/Mossad and others.

Besides other video links above, look up and watch 9/11 Mysteries...starts out with an old timey looking TV, static and a guy introducing it that states he is a conservative republican, etc......also, Alex Jones has copious amounts on this......

Someone posted a video of +Williamson with several minutes intersperesed with building #7, announced as came down minutes before it did....gee, oops

also:

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/

No, no terrorists in the fabled sense, ie, govt story......the terrorists were the USA govt and possibly, others (ie, Mossad)
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 11, 2012, 09:19:50 AM
Quote from: Loriann
Ron Paul talks about blowback and how our policies cause anger...not that it would justify such an act of murder. Such a tragedy.


blow back yes, but not from any arab/islamist.....other then them being patsies.....like Oswald.....
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: lefebvre_fan on September 11, 2012, 09:29:07 AM
Also, I hope no one here believes that the video of Osama bin Laden's confession that was conveniently 'found' by US troops after 9/11 was authentic.

9-11 Research: "Fatty" bin Laden (http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/binladinvideo.html)

Here's what the real bin Laden had to say about 9/11:

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jєωs, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jєωs and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them."
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 11, 2012, 09:40:28 AM
Side note, Osama was NOT killed in mid-2011, whole thing staged......he was long dead, either from some reports of injuries during initial bombing/attacks or from Marfan Syndrome/Kidney issues......
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Telesphorus on September 11, 2012, 09:40:50 AM
I don't know and I no longer care to put any effort into the question.

The solution to the problem is simple.  Stop supporting Zionism.  Stop importing aliens into the country.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 11, 2012, 09:43:32 AM
Quote from: Telesphorus
I don't know and I no longer care to put any effort into the question.

The solution to the problem is simple.  Stop supporting Zionism.  Stop importing aliens into the country.


part of it, true, stop supporting Dems, repubs and the whole NWO apparatus whenever and where  ever possible.....
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on September 11, 2012, 10:19:28 AM
Quote from: Loriann
I have been hearing many different theories regarding the attacks of 9/11.  What is your opinion?  I have even heard folks deny it. I watch television, and lost a femily friend in Manhattan.   I believe the attacks were terrorist in nature.  

What do you believe?


It was an inside job. Many different things point to the fact that it was a hoax from the government.

For instance, why did President George H.W. Bush (33 degree Freemason) call for a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr on September 11, 1991, exactly 10 years before 9/11? And why exactly are the remnants of the WTC being hidden in a secret government facility? Why not just throw them in the junk yard? There is much more evidence than that, but I'll stop there.

I think the purpose for 9/11 was just to start a phony "war on terror" so they could have an excuse to start these stupid TSA bodyscanners and pat-downs and to ultimately limit our freedom.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 11, 2012, 11:08:36 AM
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Telesphorus
I don't know and I no longer care to put any effort into the question.

The solution to the problem is simple.  Stop supporting Zionism.  Stop importing aliens into the country.


part of it, true, stop supporting Dems, repubs and the whole NWO apparatus whenever and where  ever possible.....


How does retreating into a cave stop it all?
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 11, 2012, 11:11:46 AM
I agree that the body scans and the removal of shoes has no real effect except to diminish personal freedoms.  

It is interesting to hear the many different conspiracy theories.


Whatever, whoever, many innocents were lost.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 11, 2012, 11:13:10 AM
Quote from: Loriann
I have been hearing many different theories regarding the attacks of 9/11.  What is your opinion?  I have even heard folks deny it. I watch television, and lost a femily friend in Manhattan.   I believe the attacks were terrorist in nature.  

What do you believe?

Seriously, a thumbs down?? Some men here would thumb me down if I said it was daylight, lol.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Vandaler on September 11, 2012, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: Loriann
It is interesting to hear the many different conspiracy theories


I've grown to call them cajoling fantasies instead.  They are only shared by like minded people who harbour the very same distrust or angst who gather around in hermetic and self-validating communities such as this forum.

The left blaming the neocons and the right, pinning it on the fabled NWO.   You add in the survivalist market into the mix which racks in the cash by scaring people and you have a hefty amount of confusion and disinformation.

Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 11, 2012, 12:10:27 PM
Quote from: Vandaler
Quote from: Loriann
It is interesting to hear the many different conspiracy theories


I've grown to call them cajoling fantasies instead.  They are only shared by like minded people who harbour the very same distrust or angst who gather around in hermetic and self-validating communities such as this forum.

The left blaming the neocons and the right, pinning it on the fabled NWO.   You add in the survivalist market into the mix which racks in the cash by scaring people and you have a hefty amount of confusion and disinformation.



The people who see conspiracy see it in everything, everywhere.  
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 11, 2012, 12:12:46 PM
Vandalar, you must understand, Loriann, will go into massive spin mode and will ignore any inclinations, gut feelings and go with whatever Govt fed information, directly or via their surrogates, is out there.......Vandalar accepts what he is told, exactly as told and will fill his posts with high IQ sounding info, but at the end of the day, it is all media/govt ag-prop....perhaps, he is in that line or a useful prop for them....

Notice, too, he comes out of the woodwork, sometimes days w/o posting, to debunk and deride any serious discussions and overwhelming questions out there about WWII, 9/11 or other controversial issues.......

Note how he laughs off the NWO, when some within the echelons themselves call for it or similar constructs, the NWO leading of course to the antichrist system, noted by Fr. Kramer and many others....likely, Vandalar will stil lbe here posting on a forum he/she derides when the antichrist system is fully up and operational, telling us all there is nothing to see and said Antichrist is not saying/doing what he is in fact doing......

He believes, blindly, what he is told to beleive, wrapped in smart soundnig, but often hollow reasoning......sounds good, looks really cool and official, but smacks of the impossible and unlikely........
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on September 11, 2012, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: Vandaer
I've grown to call them cajoling fantasies instead.  They are only shared by like minded people who harbour the very same distrust or angst who gather around in hermetic and self-validating communities such as this forum.


Ok, and aren't you the same person who promotes evolution and vaccines?

You're an ignorant government shill, Vandaler. You don't belong on a Traditional Catholic forum because you're not a Traditional Catholic, you're just here to mock our beliefs about the NWO.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 11, 2012, 12:16:08 PM
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Telesphorus
I don't know and I no longer care to put any effort into the question.

The solution to the problem is simple.  Stop supporting Zionism.  Stop importing aliens into the country.


part of it, true, stop supporting Dems, repubs and the whole NWO apparatus whenever and where  ever possible.....


How does retreating into a cave stop it all?


Pray, go around and do things that dont computer to them-start a garden, learn to grow your own food, yes,stock up here and there, emergencies do come up regardless of origin. Push from the outside and make a 1000 different cuts to the beast. Network with others to shre the burden....study.listen and go with what often your conscience is telling you, formed by Fide....be a book, CD, VDV junkie for the Truth and the Fide......I have 100's of Catholic talks in the car at any given time, often listen to them to and from my Slave Wager Earner job.....

you can NEVER affect the Dems and Repubs, lets stop thinking we can or some pure Phoenix (Palin, Ryan) will emerge and that includes false hope, yr after yr, in the "Ron Paul Revolution", that is an empty hope destined to keep you voting GOp and hoping for a mainstream political solution......
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 11, 2012, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: Loriann
 It is interesting to hear the many different conspiracy theoriest.


more like Conspiracy Facts.....though yes, there are many that dont add up, lack any substance or proof and some flat out kooky....
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: lefebvre_fan on September 11, 2012, 12:28:54 PM
Regardless of the truth or falsity of any one particular conspiracy theory, there can be no doubt about the existence of one conspiracy in particular: that of Satan and his followers against the Church. And there can also be no doubt that the chief human agents of Satan are the Jєωs, the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan. Therefore, it helps to be aware, and keep an eye on the signs of the times, lest we be tricked into becoming tools of the Devil.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Vandaler on September 11, 2012, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: Belloc
Notice, too, he comes out of the woodwork, sometimes days w/o posting, to debunk and deride any serious discussions and overwhelming questions out there about WWII, 9/11 or other controversial issues.


True, this Forum only serves as skeet shooting for me.  For the rest, I appreciate the kind words.

I deride serious discussions?   If you really know me as you claim, I suspect it would be you that would decline a serious discussion on the matter of 9/11.  

You want to convince yourself that cathinfo is dead wrong on worldly affairs? Take a stroll in the old posts and read what's "predicted" and you will find that it's in fact a digital monument devoted to error.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 11, 2012, 01:54:31 PM
 :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

best response to the Govt ag-prop, Vandaler

others, respond at your own peril and wasted time.....
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Vandaler on September 11, 2012, 01:56:17 PM
Quote from: Belloc
:sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

best response to the Govt ag-prop, Vandaler

others, respond at your own peril and wasted time.....


Just saying, I'm not the one to shy away from substance.   Which again, makes me right.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: lefebvre_fan on September 11, 2012, 02:40:45 PM
Oh, Vandaler, quit giving us Canadians a bad name! There's already enough of us who do that as it is.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 11, 2012, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: Vandaler
Quote from: Belloc
:sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

best response to the Govt ag-prop, Vandaler

others, respond at your own peril and wasted time.....


Just saying, I'm not the one to shy away from substance.   Which again, makes me right.


I dont shy from what I feel is substance, hence by your standards, right........and you wrong on the topic of thread ........
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: nadieimportante on September 11, 2012, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: Loriann
I have been hearing many different theories regarding the attacks of 9/11.  What is your opinion?  I have even heard folks deny it. I watch television, and lost a femily friend in Manhattan.   I believe the attacks were terrorist in nature.  

What do you believe?


Too many oddities in the event  for anyone who knows anything about building construction. Those buildings were not brought down by the two planes, and all the news media explanations have not changed my view. As to who did it? Why should we believe the media on that part, when the part that can be easily explained, how the buildings fell, is full of holes? There's no way to know in this world, who did it, ones theory is as good/bad as another.

see: http://drjudywood.com/towers/
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Vandaler on September 11, 2012, 04:40:17 PM
Quote from: lefebvre_fan
Oh, Vandaler, quit giving us Canadians a bad name! There's already enough of us who do that as it is.


 :laugh1:

good one.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: lefebvre_fan on September 11, 2012, 04:40:44 PM
Quote from: nadieimportante
Quote from: Loriann
I have been hearing many different theories regarding the attacks of 9/11.  What is your opinion?  I have even heard folks deny it. I watch television, and lost a femily friend in Manhattan.   I believe the attacks were terrorist in nature.  

What do you believe?


Too many oddities in the event  for anyone who knows anything about building construction. Those buildings were not brought down by the two planes, and all the news media explanations have not changed my view. As to who did it? Why should we believe the media on that part, when the part that can be easily explained, how the buildings fell, is full of holes? There's no way to know in this world, who did it, ones theory is as good/bad as another.

see: http://drjudywood.com/towers/


True. Regardless of which particular theory or theories one holds, no rational person (unless they have a vested interest) still believes that it was the planes alone that brought down the twin towers, or that WTC7 collapsed due to structural damage caused by falling debris. It's just insulting that we were ever expected to believe such nonsense, but of course most people still do, either because they can't be bothered to investigate the claims for themselves, or (more likely) they don't want to consider the horrible alternative to the official story, so they're more than happy to just go along with the government/media version.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Vandaler on September 11, 2012, 04:42:49 PM
Quote from: Belloc
I dont shy from what I feel is substance...


I've yet read anything of substance from you directed towards me.  The only substance you have had so far, is that colored substance your trying to paint me in.

I'll respond in a civilized way to anything you have to contribute though.  
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 11, 2012, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: nadieimportante
Quote from: Loriann
I have been hearing many different theories regarding the attacks of 9/11.  What is your opinion?  I have even heard folks deny it. I watch television, and lost a femily friend in Manhattan.   I believe the attacks were terrorist in nature.  

What do you believe?


Too many oddities in the event  for anyone who knows anything about building construction. Those buildings were not brought down by the two planes, and all the news media explanations have not changed my view. As to who did it? Why should we believe the media on that part, when the part that can be easily explained, how the buildings fell, is full of holes? There's no way to know in this world, who did it, ones theory is as good/bad as another.

see: http://drjudywood.com/towers/


True
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Sigismund on September 11, 2012, 08:45:23 PM
Quote from: Loriann
I have been hearing many different theories regarding the attacks of 9/11.  What is your opinion?  I have even heard folks deny it. I watch television, and lost a femily friend in Manhattan.   I believe the attacks were terrorist in nature.  

What do you believe?


Several Islamist terrorists hijacked three plans and flew them int the WTC, the Pentagon, and crashed in a field in PA.  
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 11, 2012, 08:57:57 PM
Quote from: Sigismund
Quote from: Loriann
I have been hearing many different theories regarding the attacks of 9/11.  What is your opinion?  I have even heard folks deny it. I watch television, and lost a femily friend in Manhattan.   I believe the attacks were terrorist in nature.  

What do you believe?


Several Islamist terrorists hijacked three plans and flew them int the WTC, the Pentagon, and crashed in a field in PA.  


I think the scariest thing of all is the long amount of time they were willing to invest in this terrorist atttack.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Sigismund on September 11, 2012, 09:05:10 PM
Well, when your whole life is consumed by and dedicated to hate, no price is too high, I guess.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 11, 2012, 09:24:51 PM
Quote from: Sigismund
Well, when your whole life is consumed by and dedicated to hate, no price is too high, I guess.


Sad but true--if only that much effort were put into curing cancer.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on September 11, 2012, 09:27:24 PM
Quote from: Sigismund
Quote from: Loriann
I have been hearing many different theories regarding the attacks of 9/11.  What is your opinion?  I have even heard folks deny it. I watch television, and lost a femily friend in Manhattan.   I believe the attacks were terrorist in nature.  

What do you believe?


Several Islamist terrorists hijacked three plans and flew them int the WTC, the Pentagon, and crashed in a field in PA.


Yeah, and the government gave them permission to take off...
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Capt McQuigg on September 11, 2012, 09:38:49 PM
I still want to know why Tower Seven collapsed just like the other two but it wasn't struck by a plane.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Nadir on September 11, 2012, 09:48:34 PM
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Vandaler
Quote from: Loriann
It is interesting to hear the many different conspiracy theories


I've grown to call them cajoling fantasies instead.  ....


The people who see conspiracy see it in everything, everywhere.  


Loriann, seriously... Do you know the meaning of conspiracy? Just in case you are under a misconception:
Conspire (literally "breathe together") means  a group of people plan an action in secret.

The way you use the word, insinuates that any person who believes other than the popularly accepted explanation is fit to be tied, ready for the loony bin.

Now about 9-11 we can ask some questions:
Was the disaster what the insurance industry calls "a work of God"? NO.
Was it an accident? No again.
Was it perpetrated by an individual terrorist? Impossible.
So it was a CONSPIRACY! That is: More than one person put their heads together to plan this in secret.

Ypur govt line is that it was done by a group of foreigners, with the chief conspirator being a fellow called Osama. This has never been proven. Never will be.

However it is believed, swallowed hook, line and sinker, by many for whom the alternative is just too painful for them to consider.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: songbird on September 11, 2012, 09:50:38 PM
Read: Where did the towers go? by Judy woods  My friend had to have it shipped to her home and it is a hard back with many pictures and hard evidence.  How does a 120 story building go POOF! into dust?  And did you know that there was hurricane Erin right there that day of 9/11 at Cape Cod and did anyone know what happened to the hurricane.  And that there was a cold front working it's way from west to east New York.  And that some rescue people were taken up into what they said was a black cloud/tornado.  Fires that never set papers on fire.  In her book she speaks of the Hutchison and Tesla discoveries.  And satilites that can control weather, called HAARP.  She brings it all together!  Try that.  So, when I read it, and I am stupid, it appears that the hurricane was controlled with energies that we may not be aware of from satelites and because of those energies, things went poof!  And the control demotion.  Iron that melts! and rusts are all shown in her book.  
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on September 11, 2012, 09:52:22 PM
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
I still want to know why Tower Seven collapsed just like the other two but it wasn't struck by a plane.


Controlled demolition.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Nadir on September 11, 2012, 09:56:51 PM
Quote from: songbird
Read: Where did the towers go? by Judy woods  My friend had to have it shipped to her home and it is a hard back with many pictures and hard evidence.  How does a 120 story building go POOF! into dust?  And did you know that there was hurricane Erin right there that day of 9/11 at Cape Cod and did anyone know what happened to the hurricane.  And that there was a cold front working it's way from west to east New York.  And that some rescue people were taken up into what they said was a black cloud/tornado.  Fires that never set papers on fire.  In her book she speaks of the Hutchison and Tesla discoveries.  And satilites that can control weather, called HAARP.  She brings it all together!  Try that.  So, when I read it, and I am stupid, it appears that the hurricane was controlled with energies that we may not be aware of from satelites and because of those energies, things went poof!  And the control demotion.  Iron that melts! and rusts are all shown in her book.  


But it was business as usual for the abortuary! Off topic I know but I had to! Good post, songbird!
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 11, 2012, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
I still want to know why Tower Seven collapsed just like the other two but it wasn't struck by a plane.


The complex was kind of like a big square, and the flying debris hit those towers and the bank there--I think that can also account for the confusion of announcers regarding the numbers of the towers--it was a big area.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 11, 2012, 10:01:46 PM
Quote from: Nadir
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Vandaler
Quote from: Loriann
It is interesting to hear the many different conspiracy theories


I've grown to call them cajoling fantasies instead.  ....


The people who see conspiracy see it in everything, everywhere.  


Loriann, seriously... Do you know the meaning of conspiracy? Just in case you are under a misconception:
Conspire (literally "breathe together") means  a group of people plan an action in secret.

The way you use the word, insinuates that any person who believes other than the popularly accepted explanation is fit to be tied, ready for the loony bin.

Now about 9-11 we can ask some questions:
Was the disaster what the insurance industry calls "a work of God"? NO.
Was it an accident? No again.
Was it perpetrated by an individual terrorist? Impossible.
So it was a CONSPIRACY! That is: More than one person put their heads together to plan this in secret.

Ypur govt line is that it was done by a group of foreigners, with the chief conspirator being a fellow called Osama. This has never been proven. Never will be.

However it is believed, swallowed hook, line and sinker, by many for whom the alternative is just too painful for them to consider.


You inferred incorrectly. I am just saying that people who tend to believe in cօռspιʀαcιҽs tend to believe in more than one
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Telesphorus on September 11, 2012, 10:39:19 PM
Quote from: Loriann
You inferred incorrectly. I am just saying that people who tend to believe in cօռspιʀαcιҽs tend to believe in more than one


And people who disbelieve in them tend to believe in none.  On principle.  As though such acts of deception couldn't happen.  As though the established view of things must be correct, or at least, shouldn't be challenged.

What people believe from consensus is naturally going to seem more "sane" - and when someone tries to understand things from various, conflicting sources, that are not accepted, then one is accepting ideas that are bound to seem a lot more wild in general.  It takes a great deal of critical acuмen to discern which stories of conspiracy are credible and which are fabricated.

Wild speculation about many many topics is a problem for many people who believe in conspiracy.

But Catholics know there is a masonic conspiracy, as the Popes told us.  And we can see the influence of the Jєωs in the world.  It's very apparent.  The state of Israel, and its immense influence, is not something that has occurred because Jєωs are a "weak" minority.  Consider Charles de Gaulle's quote on Jєωs:

"an elite people, sure of themselves and domineering"

And who succeeded de Gaulle, after terrible riots and the '68 cultural revolution, which thrust him out of power?

Pompidou, assistant to the Rothschilds.

There are many, many, many historical facts that come together that clash fundamentally with what is typically granted to be "historical consensus"

Talking about these facts does not get one any books or academic papers published, rather it gets you marginalized, hated, and labeled.  And of course accused of being a "nαzι" and a "kook."

There are true cօռspιʀαcιҽs - and there is ONE grand conspiracy, that has been developing for some time now.  Don't doubt it.  It is very anti-Christian.  It fits into Christian eschatology.

Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on September 11, 2012, 10:49:02 PM
In time, when we all enter eternal life, we will know the truth. Many
conspiracy theories that the mass media makes fun of are
actually the truth, and the way it happened.
From the Russian Revolution in 1917 to 9-11-2001.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Nadir on September 11, 2012, 11:15:21 PM
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You inferred incorrectly. I am just saying that people who tend to believe in cօռspιʀαcιҽs tend to believe in more than one


Loriann, your words were:
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The people who see conspiracy see it in everything, everywhere.


It seems to me that you are saying that seeing conspiracy anywhere = seeing it everywhere = you are delusional. Do you acknowledge that there is any conspiracy any where? Or do you deny the existence of conspiracy?

Personally I believe in conspiracy; only a delusional adult would deny it. But delusions can people sane.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Lighthouse on September 11, 2012, 11:37:35 PM
Whoa, whoa--just going back a bit. There were four planes, at least in the official explanation.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Croix de Fer on September 12, 2012, 03:32:29 AM
Quote from: Loriann
I have been hearing many different theories regarding the attacks of 9/11.  What is your opinion?  I have even heard folks deny it. I watch television, and lost a femily friend in Manhattan.   I believe the attacks were terrorist in nature.  

What do you believe?


Cop who arrested Israeli spies on 9/11 for filming and celebrating WTC attacks spoke out for the first time last year. Interview HERE (http://americanfreepress.net/?p=693) and AUDIO of interview HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPUn94XlAYg&feature=share)

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Brit Hume from Fox News reporting Israeli spies arrested throughout the U.S. in their connection to 9/11. Soon after, Fox buries the story (along with the rest of mainstream media) and pretends it never happened. They no longer acknowledge their reporting of it, nor do they address Israel's involvement in 9/11. Recordings below:

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEOecRtBU7U&feature=share)

part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o17SSuuZDkA)

part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VclAeKYYvBc)

part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NVRsmodmCTE)

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Dov Zakheim, a dual Israeli/U.S. citizen, was Comptroller of the Pentagon. Under his control, the Pentagon mysteriously lost $2.3 TRILLION, subsequently, this story was conveniently reported the DAY BEFORE 9/11. Of course, naturally, the tragedy of 9/11 completely buried the story about the Pentagon's lost money. It should be noted that the part of the Pentagon that was "hit by a plane" housed the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the missing 2.3 trillion dollars. Also, Zakheim, as noted in this video, was CEO of SPC, the company that manufactures remote control systems for aircraft. Video HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNQTG8B6hw&feature=share)

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9-11 CONVAR CORPORATION: RECOVERED HARD-DRIVES IN WTC RUBBLE

"That leads to the suspicion that (market) speculators knew of the attacks in advance. If it were insider trading, it must have been someone connected to 'al-Qaeda'."

Why hasn't there been subsequent reports of the evidence collected leading to the insider traders' identities? Is it because they lead to dual Israeli/American citizens, and other people, who could not possibly have had any connections, or at least they were not supposed to have connections, to the "19 Arab Muslims with box cutters", thereby, adding to the real evidence that destroys the official *STORY* that the attacks were committed by "al-Qaeda"? Why hasn't the mainstream media puppets (aka Mockingbird shills) followed up on the story? I guess the last question sort of answers itself. Video HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-OClX54EFQ&feature=share)

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"Odigo had a feature on its service that allowed the passing on of messages through a search feature based on nationality. Knowing these two particular Israelis were forewarned, it is possible - even likely - that they passed the message on to other Israelis. This is especially so considering that, out of the 4000 Israelis believed to have worked in and around the WTC and the Pentagon only FIVE died. 5/4000 Israelis. Statistically, with no forewarning about 10% (ie 400 of 4000) would have died; a toll as low as 200-300/4000 would not convincingly indicate foreknowledge. But only FIVE Israelis died and two of the five were aboard the allegedly hijacked flights; thus only three Israelis died in the WTC itself on 9/11 - An astonishing statistic!. NB - this applies to Israeli nationals, NOT American Jєωs. Many Jєωs died in the WTC on 9/11." Link HERE (http://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it#Israeli_Citizens_Get_Tipped_Off) and article about Odigo from Sept 26, 2001 in Haaretz HERE (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/odigo-says-workers-were-warned-of-attack-1.70579)

Let me know if you want more info.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on September 12, 2012, 07:35:28 AM
Here is something to ponder about the events of 9-11-2001:



The Unanswered Questions of 9/11

By James Corbett

Global Research, September 11, 2012

Url of this article:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-unanswered-questions-of-911/


In his latest weekly address to the nation, President Obama asserts that America’s questions about 9/11 have been answered. If only it were so.
 
The questions of 9/11 have only continued to pile up higher since that fateful day, and despite official platitudes we are no closer to having those questions answered today then we were when they first arose. In fact, for some of the most important 9/11 questions, the government’s own docuмents and records that could conceivably answered them have been destroyed, meaning we may never have answers.
 
The unanswered questions of 9/11 are too numerous to enumerate, but they include:
 
-Why has NIST classified the data that they used to make their computer animation of the WTC7 collapse? Would knowledge of how NIST believes the building collapsed really “jeopardize public safety“?
 
-Why did the DIA destroy more than 2.5 terabytes of data on their Able Danger investigation that reportedly identified four of the alleged hijackers years in advance of the attack? Why did the Pentagon buy up and burn the entire first print run of Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer’s book on the program?
 
-Why did the SEC destroy their records on the 9/11 insider trading question, presumably the most important investigation in the agency’s history?
 
-Why did the alleged “mastermind” of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, confess not only to plotting 9/11 “from A to Z” but also confess to masterminding numerous crimes that he could not have committed?
 
-Why did Osama bin Laden repeatedly deny any involvement in the attacks until a series of mistranslated and otherwise manipulated videos came along appearing to portray him as taking credit for those attacks?
 
-Why was the report of US State Department official Frank Taylor supposedly proving the case for Al Qaeda’s role in 9/11, which NATO used to justify its invasion of Afghanistan, presented in a classified briefing? Why is that report still classified to this day?
 
-Why did the 9/11 commission rely so heavily on the confessions extracted through torture which even the Senate’s Armed Services committee points out is specifically used to extract false confessions?
 
-Why did the CIA destroy 92 videotapes of their illegal torture sessions after being specifically ordered by a court not to do so? Why did the courts eventually absolve the CIA of any culpability for this crime?
 
-Why did Donald Rumsfeld announce a new “war” on September 10, 2001? What was the reason for the 2.3 trillion missing dollars which the Pentagon had lost up until that point, what did Rumsfeld’s “war on bureaucracy” hope to achieve, how was that “war” hindered when the budget analyst office in the Pentagon was destroyed the following morning, and where are the public records into this accounting scandal?
 
-Why did Rumsfeld go into a regularly scheduled meeting with a CIA officer in his office on the morning of 9/11, after both of the Twin Towers had been struck by airplanes and it had been determined that “America was under attack.” Why did the highest ranking official in the US military remain in that meeting and unavailable for contact even by his highest staff members as the worst attack on US soil in history continued to unfold? Why did he suddenly come out for a photo op on the Pentalawn after the explosion instead of helping to coordinate the defense of the nation?
 
-Why is there such a massive discrepancy between the 9/11 commission’s official finding of the time of entry of Dick Cheney into the Presidential Emergency Operation Center on the morning of 9/11 and Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta’s testimony of the timing of that arrival?
 
-Why did the US government contract with Ptech, an enterprise architecture software firm, to install its backdoor access software on some of the most sensitive databases in the US government? Why did they continue to use Ptech even after it was discovered that its sweetheart investor was a specially designated global terrorist on the Treasury’s own terror list? Why did they declare that there was nothing untoward in the software mere hours after raiding Ptech’s offices in 2002? And what was Ptech doing in the basement of the Pentagon on 9/11? What interoperability tests was it running on the link between FAA and NORAD systems on 9/11, and how did that interfere with the FAA and NORAD’s response?
 
-And, perhaps most tellingly of all, how did four highjacked aircraft fly so wildly off course for such lengthy periods of time without being confronted by a single fighter interceptor, and why did the Pentagon admittedly and on the record lie to the American public about the timing of its response that day?
 
These and many, many questions like them have been asked by the victims’ family members, the first responders, members of the US military, American congressmen and women, intelligence agents, foreign dignitaries and heads of state, and concerned members of the public across America and around the globe. And still, 11 years after the events themselves, the American president has the gall to suggest that all questions have been answered and it is time for Americans to move on.
 
See our GRTV Feature 9/11 Video
 


 
 
On the contrary, Mr. President. Those who are concerned with 9/11 truth and justice will continue to fight on, to answer the questions that your government cannot and will not answer, whether those answers come now, 11 years from now, or generations from now. Those who fight for 9/11 truth will not give up until these questions have been answered. Echoing the words of those brave souls in the wake of that other great American tragedy, the OKC bombing:
 
“We search for the truth. We seek justice. The courts require it. The victims cry for it. And God demands it.”
 
For more on the unanswered questions of 9/11 truth, please watch the latest episode of The Corbett Report podcast, “The Meaning of 9/11 Truth“:
 
 
 
Copyright © 2012 Global Research
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 07:38:42 AM
perhaps noted already, but interesting that we had ships in place and troops around Afghanistan before the "surprise" attacks of 9/11.......plus executive orders to counter events that "we had no way of knowing about"

Some things ARE cօռspιʀαcιҽs, plenty in the bible and predicted in there as well. So too from the Popes, esp on Masonry.....
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 07:40:03 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse
Whoa, whoa--just going back a bit. There were four planes, at least in the official explanation.


perhaps 4 reported and missing/destroyed, but what hit Pentagon was not a commercial airliner, esp with those moves prior to impact, was adrone and/or missle.

What hit in PA? certainly no wreckage to indicate a majory commercial plane.....
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 07:40:36 AM
Quote from: Nadir
Quote from: songbird
Read: Where did the towers go? by Judy woods  My friend had to have it shipped to her home and it is a hard back with many pictures and hard evidence.  How does a 120 story building go POOF! into dust?  And did you know that there was hurricane Erin right there that day of 9/11 at Cape Cod and did anyone know what happened to the hurricane.  And that there was a cold front working it's way from west to east New York.  And that some rescue people were taken up into what they said was a black cloud/tornado.  Fires that never set papers on fire.  In her book she speaks of the Hutchison and Tesla discoveries.  And satilites that can control weather, called HAARP.  She brings it all together!  Try that.  So, when I read it, and I am stupid, it appears that the hurricane was controlled with energies that we may not be aware of from satelites and because of those energies, things went poof!  And the control demotion.  Iron that melts! and rusts are all shown in her book.  


But it was business as usual for the abortuary! Off topic I know but I had to! Good post, songbird!


True, no massive mobilization against the War on the Womb.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 07:42:23 AM
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
I still want to know why Tower Seven collapsed just like the other two but it wasn't struck by a plane.


The complex was kind of like a big square, and the flying debris hit those towers and the bank there--I think that can also account for the confusion of announcers regarding the numbers of the towers--it was a big area.


buildings around #1 and 2 were more damaged, yet stood until some time later when publicly brought down....building #7 was intact with little damage, fires mainly Out (see black smoke) and it went straight down in its own footprint, with a crimp at top just prior.....shold it not have toppled over? crumbled more then straight down....watch it..
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 07:43:56 AM
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Nadir
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Vandaler
Quote from: Loriann
It is interesting to hear the many different conspiracy theories


I've grown to call them cajoling fantasies instead.  ....


The people who see conspiracy see it in everything, everywhere.  


Loriann, seriously... Do you know the meaning of conspiracy? Just in case you are under a misconception:
Conspire (literally "breathe together") means  a group of people plan an action in secret.

The way you use the word, insinuates that any person who believes other than the popularly accepted explanation is fit to be tied, ready for the loony bin.

Now about 9-11 we can ask some questions:
Was the disaster what the insurance industry calls "a work of God"? NO.
Was it an accident? No again.
Was it perpetrated by an individual terrorist? Impossible.
So it was a CONSPIRACY! That is: More than one person put their heads together to plan this in secret.

Ypur govt line is that it was done by a group of foreigners, with the chief conspirator being a fellow called Osama. This has never been proven. Never will be.

However it is believed, swallowed hook, line and sinker, by many for whom the alternative is just too painful for them to consider.


You inferred incorrectly. I am just saying that people who tend to believe in cօռspιʀαcιҽs tend to believe in more than one


and this is bad? we should beleive in 1 to be credible, 2 makes us  :tinfoil: ?????
So, I am only credible to beleive in Keendy vs 9/11?

You, obviously asked this question and started this thread to debunk, now, is that so?
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 07:45:20 AM
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Sigismund
Well, when your whole life is consumed by and dedicated to hate, no price is too high, I guess.


Sad but true--if only that much effort were put into curing cancer.


or stopping abortion, we invaded 2 countries, attacking and manipulating several more, yet we have no ambition to stop abortion or prevent the Terri Schaivo's from being murdered....
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 07:46:44 AM
Quote from: Nadir
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Vandaler
Quote from: Loriann
It is interesting to hear the many different conspiracy theories


I've grown to call them cajoling fantasies instead.  ....


The people who see conspiracy see it in everything, everywhere.  


Loriann, seriously... Do you know the meaning of conspiracy? Just in case you are under a misconception:
Conspire (literally "breathe together") means  a group of people plan an action in secret.

The way you use the word, insinuates that any person who believes other than the popularly accepted explanation is fit to be tied, ready for the loony bin.

Now about 9-11 we can ask some questions:
Was the disaster what the insurance industry calls "a work of God"? NO.
Was it an accident? No again.
Was it perpetrated by an individual terrorist? Impossible.
So it was a CONSPIRACY! That is: More than one person put their heads together to plan this in secret.

Ypur govt line is that it was done by a group of foreigners, with the chief conspirator being a fellow called Osama. This has never been proven. Never will be.

However it is believed, swallowed hook, line and sinker, by many for whom the alternative is just too painful for them to consider.


every Sunday morning, we conspire to get together, travel to Mass and have said Mass.....was not random or accidental.......I conspired to get up, pray Lauds this AM and drag into shower, car and now, work.......looking around, others apaprently did something similar, I am not alone in gray-on-gray cubicle land....
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 07:51:24 AM
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Sigismund
Quote from: Loriann
I have been hearing many different theories regarding the attacks of 9/11.  What is your opinion?  I have even heard folks deny it. I watch television, and lost a femily friend in Manhattan.   I believe the attacks were terrorist in nature.  

What do you believe?


Several Islamist terrorists hijacked three plans and flew them int the WTC, the Pentagon, and crashed in a field in PA.  


I think the scariest thing of all is the long amount of time they were willing to invest in this terrorist atttack.


True, but again, Mr. "I love Jesus" GW Bush could not lift a finger to stop abortion......or stop Terri Schiavo from being executed slowly...war is much sexier to these types. WIll again cite Bill Kaufman:

"The most dangerous people — the ones who will kill you for your own good — are those who subordinate the individual to abstractions: the class, the master race, the efficient economy. They gain power because they are willing to perform the sleazy and degrading acts necessary to its achievement.Why was anyone surprised when Ted Kennedy swam away, leaving Mary Jo Kopechne to scream in her air pocket till the water rushed in? Kopechnes serve, and Kennedys are served; Vietnam was just Chappaquiddick with rice paddies. Shut up and die.
Who are these creatures, capable of decreeing — with no more compunction than an acned scamp in a Metallica t-shirt displays whilst zapping foes in Mortal Kombat — the mass execution of, say, Iraqi children or Vietnamese peasants?
Do you really think Henry Kissinger gave a damn how many Joe Doakses and LeRoy Washingtons he inscribed on the Vietnam Wall? He didn't know these men; he couldn't imagine them. They hadn't even the reality of a planchet on a Risk board."


and Robert Ludlow 1951 "We are headed in this country towards a totalitarianism every bit as dangerous towards freedom as the other more forthright forms. We have our secret police, our thought control agencies, our over-powering bureaucracy. . . . The American State, like every other State, is governed by those who have a compulsion to power, to centralization, to the preservation of their gains."

Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 07:58:19 AM
"The best reason to oppose the military-industrial complex is the most intimate: because it can kill your son or brother or cousin, and its social and economic fallout can destroy your town."
-Kauffman
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: lefebvre_fan on September 12, 2012, 09:08:01 AM
Quote from: Belloc
Some things ARE cօռspιʀαcιҽs, plenty in the bible and predicted in there as well. So too from the Popes, esp on Masonry.....


Quote from: Psalms 2:1-2
Why have the Gentiles raged, and the people devised vain things? The kings of the earth stood up, and the princes met together, against the Lord and against his Christ.


Quote from: Matthew 12:14
And the Pharisees going out made a consultation against him, how they might destroy him.


Quote from: Revelation 17:12-13
And the ten horns which thou sawest, are ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but shall receive power as kings one hour after the beast. These have one design: and their strength and power they shall deliver to the beast.


That's just a few examples.

On the contrary,

Quote from: Isaias 8:12-13
Say ye not: A conspiracy: for all that this people speaketh, is a conspiracy: neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself: and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.


I answer:

Although it's important to acknowledge the existence of cօռspιʀαcιҽs, including those in our own age, and to keep an eye on the signs of the times in order to be prepared, we should also keep in mind that God is firmly in control of history. Nothing happens except by his allowance. Therefore, it is more important to sanctify ourselves than to focus unduly on conspiracy theories.

...

Having said that, I have to admit that conspiracy theories are always fascinating, especially since there is a great deal of truth behind many of them, so please continue!  :wink:
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 09:10:28 AM
Where there is smoke, fire.....

(or black smoke, dying fire)
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: Telesphorus
Quote from: Loriann
You inferred incorrectly. I am just saying that people who tend to believe in cօռspιʀαcιҽs tend to believe in more than one


And people who disbelieve in them tend to believe in none.  On principle.  As though such acts of deception couldn't happen.  As though the established view of things must be correct, or at least, shouldn't be challenged.

What people believe from consensus is naturally going to seem more "sane" - and when someone tries to understand things from various, conflicting sources, that are not accepted, then one is accepting ideas that are bound to seem a lot more wild in general.  It takes a great deal of critical acuмen to discern which stories of conspiracy are credible and which are fabricated.

Wild speculation about many many topics is a problem for many people who believe in conspiracy.

But Catholics know there is a masonic conspiracy, as the Popes told us.  And we can see the influence of the Jєωs in the world.  It's very apparent.  The state of Israel, and its immense influence, is not something that has occurred because Jєωs are a "weak" minority.  Consider Charles de Gaulle's quote on Jєωs:

"an elite people, sure of themselves and domineering"

And who succeeded de Gaulle, after terrible riots and the '68 cultural revolution, which thrust him out of power?

Pompidou, assistant to the Rothschilds.

There are many, many, many historical facts that come together that clash fundamentally with what is typically granted to be "historical consensus"

Talking about these facts does not get one any books or academic papers published, rather it gets you marginalized, hated, and labeled.  And of course accused of being a "nαzι" and a "kook."

There are true cօռspιʀαcιҽs - and there is ONE grand conspiracy, that has been developing for some time now.  Don't doubt it.  It is very anti-Christian.  It fits into Christian eschatology.



I think society likes conspiracy theories as a whole--look at the Kennedy assassination--it still sells books.  Lincoln's too, for that matter.  As for escatological war--I have no doubt what was foretold will come to pass and is in the works as we speak.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 09:52:22 AM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
In time, when we all enter eternal life, we will know the truth. Many
conspiracy theories that the mass media makes fun of are
actually the truth, and the way it happened.
From the Russian Revolution in 1917 to 9-11-2001.


Yes, if by His grace I am in Heaven, I look forward to understanding many mysteries of the world.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 09:52:31 AM
So, no political cօռspιʀαcιҽs, other then to sell books? we just throw out the reams of info, on Kennedy alone, that prove other then the Lone Gunman theory?
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 09:53:52 AM
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
In time, when we all enter eternal life, we will know the truth. Many
conspiracy theories that the mass media makes fun of are
actually the truth, and the way it happened.
From the Russian Revolution in 1917 to 9-11-2001.


Yes, if by His grace I am in Heaven, I look forward to understanding many mysteries of the world.


fair enough, but does nto justice demand that we investigate and hold the guilty? We just ignore injustice, like a Govt killing its own people, then blaming it on others, inflamming the whole world and killing untold more scapegoats?
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 09:57:37 AM
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Lighthouse
Whoa, whoa--just going back a bit. There were four planes, at least in the official explanation.


perhaps 4 reported and missing/destroyed, but what hit Pentagon was not a commercial airliner, esp with those moves prior to impact, was adrone and/or missle.

What hit in PA? certainly no wreckage to indicate a majory commercial plane.....


That is perhaps the most disturbing--I live in Chicago and have seen plane crashes. There is always debris.  The PA site was jst dust. And people saw the plane low, so it should have had something unless it was destroyed another way.  Some claim it may have been a missile.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 10:01:07 AM
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
I still want to know why Tower Seven collapsed just like the other two but it wasn't struck by a plane.


The complex was kind of like a big square, and the flying debris hit those towers and the bank there--I think that can also account for the confusion of announcers regarding the numbers of the towers--it was a big area.


buildings around #1 and 2 were more damaged, yet stood until some time later when publicly brought down....building #7 was intact with little damage, fires mainly Out (see black smoke) and it went straight down in its own footprint, with a crimp at top just prior.....shold it not have toppled over? crumbled more then straight down....watch it..


I don't know the engineering aspect of it all. I only know what is released and discussed, but fire destruction and wind are often random.  That one building sat quite low, as in a pit.  There was also a vault with European money and gold that sat for years due to jurisdictional argument
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Nadir
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Vandaler
Quote from: Loriann
It is interesting to hear the many different conspiracy theories


I've grown to call them cajoling fantasies instead.  ....


The people who see conspiracy see it in everything, everywhere.  


Loriann, seriously... Do you know the meaning of conspiracy? Just in case you are under a misconception:
Conspire (literally "breathe together") means  a group of people plan an action in secret.

The way you use the word, insinuates that any person who believes other than the popularly accepted explanation is fit to be tied, ready for the loony bin.

Now about 9-11 we can ask some questions:
Was the disaster what the insurance industry calls "a work of God"? NO.
Was it an accident? No again.
Was it perpetrated by an individual terrorist? Impossible.
So it was a CONSPIRACY! That is: More than one person put their heads together to plan this in secret.

Ypur govt line is that it was done by a group of foreigners, with the chief conspirator being a fellow called Osama. This has never been proven. Never will be.

However it is believed, swallowed hook, line and sinker, by many for whom the alternative is just too painful for them to consider.


You inferred incorrectly. I am just saying that people who tend to believe in cօռspιʀαcιҽs tend to believe in more than one


and this is bad? we should beleive in 1 to be credible, 2 makes us  :tinfoil: ?????
So, I am only credible to beleive in Keendy vs 9/11?

You, obviously asked this question and started this thread to debunk, now, is that so?


And your point is...I don't get why you are getting cranky here.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on September 12, 2012, 10:04:59 AM
Yeah I remember the Tower 7 controversy.

By the way you can thank all of the over-educated "damn fool" acedemics we have running around these days telling us, "Aren't mindless interventions all over the world great! Isn 't free trade great! Aren't open borders great!" for 9/11. The terrorists were not stupid, many studied in elite colleges and universities and were already inside the gate.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 10:05:52 AM
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Nadir
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Vandaler
Quote from: Loriann
It is interesting to hear the many different conspiracy theories


I've grown to call them cajoling fantasies instead.  ....


The people who see conspiracy see it in everything, everywhere.  


Loriann, seriously... Do you know the meaning of conspiracy? Just in case you are under a misconception:
Conspire (literally "breathe together") means  a group of people plan an action in secret.

The way you use the word, insinuates that any person who believes other than the popularly accepted explanation is fit to be tied, ready for the loony bin.

Now about 9-11 we can ask some questions:
Was the disaster what the insurance industry calls "a work of God"? NO.
Was it an accident? No again.
Was it perpetrated by an individual terrorist? Impossible.
So it was a CONSPIRACY! That is: More than one person put their heads together to plan this in secret.

Ypur govt line is that it was done by a group of foreigners, with the chief conspirator being a fellow called Osama. This has never been proven. Never will be.

However it is believed, swallowed hook, line and sinker, by many for whom the alternative is just too painful for them to consider.


You inferred incorrectly. I am just saying that people who tend to believe in cօռspιʀαcιҽs tend to believe in more than one


and this is bad? we should beleive in 1 to be credible, 2 makes us  :tinfoil: ?????
So, I am only credible to beleive in Keendy vs 9/11?

You, obviously asked this question and started this thread to debunk, now, is that so?


And your point is...I don't get why you are getting cranky here.


dont get it makes sense......you ask a potentially explosive question, then try to debunk when people respond against the Govt fairy tale.....having realized this, you now accuse my of being cranky and retreat to the "see no evil, hear no evil, let God sort it out" tact.......and accuse people of trying to sell books, etc...

and you still fail to answer some questions posed.....you chose to accuse someone of something they are not (cranky) and posit things that you cannot know (state of mind, attitude).....
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on September 12, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
It was an inside job. Many different things point to the fact that it was a hoax from the government.

For instance, why did President George H.W. Bush (33 degree Freemason) call for a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr on September 11, 1991, exactly 10 years before 9/11? And why exactly are the remnants of the WTC being hidden in a secret government facility? Why not just throw them in the junk yard? There is much more evidence than that, but I'll stop there.

I think the purpose for 9/11 was just to start a phony "war on terror" so they could have an excuse to start these stupid TSA bodyscanners and pat-downs and to ultimately limit our freedom.


Well, one could also argue that since September 11, 1683 was the Battle of Vienna against Muslim forces, Muslims chose that date.

In all honesty the American Empire was built long before George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush, back to FDR and World War II and the Spanish-American War.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: Loriann
What do you believe?


and we are telling you, whether you wish to believe us or not, but since you asked, we are telling you and think, at least me, that you are being a bit flippant writing whole thing off to "selling books",etc.......and accusing anyone taking a stand of crankiness..

again, you asked...
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: lefebvre_fan
Quote from: Belloc
Some things ARE cօռspιʀαcιҽs, plenty in the bible and predicted in there as well. So too from the Popes, esp on Masonry.....


Quote from: Psalms 2:1-2
Why have the Gentiles raged, and the people devised vain things? The kings of the earth stood up, and the princes met together, against the Lord and against his Christ.


Quote from: Matthew 12:14
And the Pharisees going out made a consultation against him, how they might destroy him.


Quote from: Revelation 17:12-13
And the ten horns which thou sawest, are ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but shall receive power as kings one hour after the beast. These have one design: and their strength and power they shall deliver to the beast.


That's just a few examples.

On the contrary,

Quote from: Isaias 8:12-13
Say ye not: A conspiracy: for all that this people speaketh, is a conspiracy: neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself: and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.


I answer:

Although it's important to acknowledge the existence of cօռspιʀαcιҽs, including those in our own age, and to keep an eye on the signs of the times in order to be prepared, we should also keep in mind that God is firmly in control of history. Nothing happens except by his allowance. Therefore, it is more important to sanctify ourselves than to focus unduly on conspiracy theories.

...

Having said that, I have to admit that conspiracy theories are always fascinating, especially since there is a great deal of truth behind many of them, so please continue!  :wink:


LOL a very good post, because it is true--we humans crave intrigue and mystery, and have for the ages. God is in control.  We always have theories for things we did not see.  Kind of off topic a bit, but interview a group of direct eyewitnesses to an event--even in that moment, you will hear different "truths" all witnessed, but varying and sometimes disagreeing in details.  That is the nature of man.  It confuses everyone.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: Belloc
So, no political cօռspιʀαcιҽs, other then to sell books? we just throw out the reams of info, on Kennedy alone, that prove other then the Lone Gunman theory?


I didn't say that--I am saying the topic of conspiracy whether political (Vietnam or other) or personal (affairs with Monroe and others, )   mob (Sinatra and the Giancana Chicago mob) is quite interesting.  And one bullet that was pristine sure was busy.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 10:11:35 AM
so, we write it off to "well, there is confusion, who knows what is real"????

what about those witnesses? what about the science that states contra-Govt story? what about the lives lost, dont they get some clarity and justice?

I run into someone and do I get to say "hey, lot of confusion, who knows what happened, rally, lets let God sort it out"

good luck with that one....

what I think you are saying, could be wrong, is that you wanted to know our thoughts-and we told you- you either do not agree, fine or do not have the capacity to question and look further and have thrown up your hands, ok.......some people cannot see or blinded or dont have the will, capacity to dig, not a slam at all.....

Perhaps, agree to disagree and, walk away?
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 10:12:12 AM
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Belloc
So, no political cօռspιʀαcιҽs, other then to sell books? we just throw out the reams of info, on Kennedy alone, that prove other then the Lone Gunman theory?


I didn't say that--I am saying the topic of conspiracy whether political (Vietnam or other) or personal (affairs with Monroe and others, )   mob (Sinatra and the Giancana Chicago mob) is quite interesting.  And one bullet that was pristine sure was busy.


ok, fair enough then  :smile:
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 10:14:11 AM
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
In time, when we all enter eternal life, we will know the truth. Many
conspiracy theories that the mass media makes fun of are
actually the truth, and the way it happened.
From the Russian Revolution in 1917 to 9-11-2001.


Yes, if by His grace I am in Heaven, I look forward to understanding many mysteries of the world.


fair enough, but does nto justice demand that we investigate and hold the guilty? We just ignore injustice, like a Govt killing its own people, then blaming it on others, inflamming the whole world and killing untold more scapegoats?


WE owe justice to the innocents slaughtered.  I have been very concerned to see that our government this summer killed American Citizens with drones--AMERICAN CITIZENS, with no charges or trials because they were with a known terrorist. We should live up to our creed.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
Yeah I remember the Tower 7 controversy.

By the way you can thank all of the over-educated "damn fool" acedemics we have running around these days telling us, "Aren't mindless interventions all over the world great! Isn 't free trade great! Aren't open borders great!" for 9/11. The terrorists were not stupid, many studied in elite colleges and universities and were already inside the gate.


Yes we offer our institutions far too much. imo
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 10:18:19 AM
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Nadir
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Vandaler
Quote from: Loriann
It is interesting to hear the many different conspiracy theories


I've grown to call them cajoling fantasies instead.  ....


The people who see conspiracy see it in everything, everywhere.  


Loriann, seriously... Do you know the meaning of conspiracy? Just in case you are under a misconception:
Conspire (literally "breathe together") means  a group of people plan an action in secret.

The way you use the word, insinuates that any person who believes other than the popularly accepted explanation is fit to be tied, ready for the loony bin.

Now about 9-11 we can ask some questions:
Was the disaster what the insurance industry calls "a work of God"? NO.
Was it an accident? No again.
Was it perpetrated by an individual terrorist? Impossible.
So it was a CONSPIRACY! That is: More than one person put their heads together to plan this in secret.

Ypur govt line is that it was done by a group of foreigners, with the chief conspirator being a fellow called Osama. This has never been proven. Never will be.

However it is believed, swallowed hook, line and sinker, by many for whom the alternative is just too painful for them to consider.


You inferred incorrectly. I am just saying that people who tend to believe in cօռspιʀαcιҽs tend to believe in more than one


and this is bad? we should beleive in 1 to be credible, 2 makes us  :tinfoil: ?????
So, I am only credible to beleive in Keendy vs 9/11?

You, obviously asked this question and started this thread to debunk, now, is that so?


And your point is...I don't get why you are getting cranky here.


dont get it makes sense......you ask a potentially explosive question, then try to debunk when people respond against the Govt fairy tale.....having realized this, you now accuse my of being cranky and retreat to the "see no evil, hear no evil, let God sort it out" tact.......and accuse people of trying to sell books, etc...

and you still fail to answer some questions posed.....you chose to accuse someone of something they are not (cranky) and posit things that you cannot know (state of mind, attitude).....


I have not attempted to debunk, just offer my observations--I don't know what happened, I am enjoying all of the theories presented. I don't follow the government blindly--look how vapid and moral-less they are.  I woouldn't begin to start a thread to debunk--you have to know something to debunk something.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 10:20:49 AM
Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
It was an inside job. Many different things point to the fact that it was a hoax from the government.

For instance, why did President George H.W. Bush (33 degree Freemason) call for a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr on September 11, 1991, exactly 10 years before 9/11? And why exactly are the remnants of the WTC being hidden in a secret government facility? Why not just throw them in the junk yard? There is much more evidence than that, but I'll stop there.

I think the purpose for 9/11 was just to start a phony "war on terror" so they could have an excuse to start these stupid TSA bodyscanners and pat-downs and to ultimately limit our freedom.


Well, one could also argue that since September 11, 1683 was the Battle of Vienna against Muslim forces, Muslims chose that date.

In all honesty the American Empire was built long before George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush, back to FDR and World War II and the Spanish-American War.

My sister got married on that day, one year before--they jokingly picked 911 because t would be easy to remember their anniversary, due to the emergency number 911.  There were attacks leading up to this the Cole, the US embassy, the previous World Trade Center...
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 10:24:53 AM
Quote from: Belloc
so, we write it off to "well, there is confusion, who knows what is real"????

what about those witnesses? what about the science that states contra-Govt story? what about the lives lost, dont they get some clarity and justice?

I run into someone and do I get to say "hey, lot of confusion, who knows what happened, rally, lets let God sort it out"

good luck with that one....

what I think you are saying, could be wrong, is that you wanted to know our thoughts-and we told you- you either do not agree, fine or do not have the capacity to question and look further and have thrown up your hands, ok.......some people cannot see or blinded or dont have the will, capacity to dig, not a slam at all.....

Perhaps, agree to disagree and, walk away?


There are several theories presented here, all could be valid, all different.  To research each source for bias and to comprehend all takes time.  I agree there are things that look like it was more than a random terrorist attack, and could have been an attempt to cover other news, but I know that we may find more.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 10:26:41 AM
fair enough  :applause:
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 10:27:57 AM
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
It was an inside job. Many different things point to the fact that it was a hoax from the government.

For instance, why did President George H.W. Bush (33 degree Freemason) call for a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr on September 11, 1991, exactly 10 years before 9/11? And why exactly are the remnants of the WTC being hidden in a secret government facility? Why not just throw them in the junk yard? There is much more evidence than that, but I'll stop there.

I think the purpose for 9/11 was just to start a phony "war on terror" so they could have an excuse to start these stupid TSA bodyscanners and pat-downs and to ultimately limit our freedom.


Well, one could also argue that since September 11, 1683 was the Battle of Vienna against Muslim forces, Muslims chose that date.

In all honesty the American Empire was built long before George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush, back to FDR and World War II and the Spanish-American War.

My sister got married on that day, one year before--they jokingly picked 911 because t would be easy to remember their anniversary, due to the emergency number 911.  There were attacks leading up to this the Cole, the US embassy, the previous World Trade Center...


a lot of history on this day, likely why the NWO guys picked it, tehre is always significance w/dates when one looks into it, esp in Masonry as they are big into numbers.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on September 12, 2012, 10:35:02 AM
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Loriann
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
In time, when we all enter eternal life, we will know the truth. Many
conspiracy theories that the mass media makes fun of are
actually the truth, and the way it happened.
From the Russian Revolution in 1917 to 9-11-2001.


Yes, if by His grace I am in Heaven, I look forward to understanding many mysteries of the world.


fair enough, but does nto justice demand that we investigate and hold the guilty? We just ignore injustice, like a Govt killing its own people, then blaming it on others, inflamming the whole world and killing untold more scapegoats?


In God's Time.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
In God's Time.


yes, but He appoints men as ministers of justice (ie, Kings, Presidents, judges) and men share in this (police, lawyers),etc.......we cant just "be active", nor just  :pray:, must have both in appropirateness......like +Williamson speaking out....
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 02:06:16 PM
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20511&min=0&num=5
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 03:18:29 PM
Quote from: Belloc
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20511&min=0&num=5

Missed it...
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on September 12, 2012, 04:30:54 PM
Wikipedia isn't normally a credible source, but in this case, I think it's worth reading the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

Quote
Suspected insider trading
 
Just before 9/11 there was an "extraordinary" amount of put options placed on United Airlines and American Airlines stocks. Authorities believed, and some conspiracy theorists continue to maintain, that trading insiders may have known in advance of the coming events of 9/11 and placed their bets accordingly. An analysis into the possibility of insider trading on 9/11 concludes that:
 
A measure of abnormal long put volume was also examined and seen to be at abnormally high levels in the days leading up to the attacks. Consequently, the paper concludes that there is evidence of unusual option market activity in the days leading up to September 11 that is consistent with investors trading on advance knowledge of the attacks.[70] —Allen M. Poteshman, The Journal of Business


Quote
World Trade Center

Controlled demolition conspiracy theories say the collapse of the North Tower, South Tower, or of 7 World Trade Center was caused by explosives installed in the buildings in advance.
 
Demolition theory proponents, such as Brigham Young University physicist Steven E. Jones, architect Richard Gage, software engineer Jim Hoffman, and theologian David Ray Griffin, argue that the aircraft impacts and resulting fires could not have weakened the buildings sufficiently to initiate a catastrophic collapse, and that the buildings would not have collapsed completely, nor at the speeds that they did, without additional energy involved to weaken their structures.
 
In the article "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe", which appeared in the Open Chemical Physics Journal, authors Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen's Department of Chemistry, Jeffrey Farrer of Brigham Young University's Department of Physics and Astronomy, Steven E. Jones, and others state that thermite and nanothermite composites in the dust and debris were found following the collapse of the three buildings, which they conclude to be proof that explosives brought down the buildings.


Also, Bishop Williamson on 9/11 (http://z13.invisionfree.com/straphaelforums/index.php?showtopic=92&view=getnewpost)

Finally, controlled demolition videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kiu9hWJBw0

And from infowars:

http://infowars.net/articles/august2007/010807Demolition.htm
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Nadir on September 12, 2012, 05:59:00 PM
Quote from: Loriann
We should live up to our creed.


Huh?!  :tinfoil:
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 08:06:35 PM
Quote from: ascent
Quote from: Loriann
I have been hearing many different theories regarding the attacks of 9/11.  What is your opinion?  I have even heard folks deny it. I watch television, and lost a femily friend in Manhattan.   I believe the attacks were terrorist in nature.  

What do you believe?


Cop who arrested Israeli spies on 9/11 for filming and celebrating WTC attacks spoke out for the first time last year. Interview HERE (http://americanfreepress.net/?p=693) and AUDIO of interview HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPUn94XlAYg&feature=share)

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Brit Hume from Fox News reporting Israeli spies arrested throughout the U.S. in their connection to 9/11. Soon after, Fox buries the story (along with the rest of mainstream media) and pretends it never happened. They no longer acknowledge their reporting of it, nor do they address Israel's involvement in 9/11. Recordings below:

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEOecRtBU7U&feature=share)

part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o17SSuuZDkA)

part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VclAeKYYvBc)

part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NVRsmodmCTE)

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Dov Zakheim, a dual Israeli/U.S. citizen, was Comptroller of the Pentagon. Under his control, the Pentagon mysteriously lost $2.3 TRILLION, subsequently, this story was conveniently reported the DAY BEFORE 9/11. Of course, naturally, the tragedy of 9/11 completely buried the story about the Pentagon's lost money. It should be noted that the part of the Pentagon that was "hit by a plane" housed the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the missing 2.3 trillion dollars. Also, Zakheim, as noted in this video, was CEO of SPC, the company that manufactures remote control systems for aircraft. Video HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNQTG8B6hw&feature=share)

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9-11 CONVAR CORPORATION: RECOVERED HARD-DRIVES IN WTC RUBBLE

"That leads to the suspicion that (market) speculators knew of the attacks in advance. If it were insider trading, it must have been someone connected to 'al-Qaeda'."

Why hasn't there been subsequent reports of the evidence collected leading to the insider traders' identities? Is it because they lead to dual Israeli/American citizens, and other people, who could not possibly have had any connections, or at least they were not supposed to have connections, to the "19 Arab Muslims with box cutters", thereby, adding to the real evidence that destroys the official *STORY* that the attacks were committed by "al-Qaeda"? Why hasn't the mainstream media puppets (aka Mockingbird shills) followed up on the story? I guess the last question sort of answers itself. Video HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-OClX54EFQ&feature=share)

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"Odigo had a feature on its service that allowed the passing on of messages through a search feature based on nationality. Knowing these two particular Israelis were forewarned, it is possible - even likely - that they passed the message on to other Israelis. This is especially so considering that, out of the 4000 Israelis believed to have worked in and around the WTC and the Pentagon only FIVE died. 5/4000 Israelis. Statistically, with no forewarning about 10% (ie 400 of 4000) would have died; a toll as low as 200-300/4000 would not convincingly indicate foreknowledge. But only FIVE Israelis died and two of the five were aboard the allegedly hijacked flights; thus only three Israelis died in the WTC itself on 9/11 - An astonishing statistic!. NB - this applies to Israeli nationals, NOT American Jєωs. Many Jєωs died in the WTC on 9/11." Link HERE (http://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it#Israeli_Citizens_Get_Tipped_Off) and article about Odigo from Sept 26, 2001 in Haaretz HERE (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/odigo-says-workers-were-warned-of-attack-1.70579)

Let me know if you want more info.


Thank you for the information and the links. It was very interesting and disturbing.  There were assets in the buildings too.  I think the most disturbing information was how much of our national business is conducted by other countries.  If the Israelis knew and did not inform the US, that would be complicity beyond belief.  
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 13, 2012, 10:19:59 AM
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/report-they-knew-it-was-coming-june-29-2001-major-casualties-dramatic-consequences-imminent-threat-will-occur-soon_09112012
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 13, 2012, 01:17:27 PM
Quote from: Belloc
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/report-they-knew-it-was-coming-june-29-2001-major-casualties-dramatic-consequences-imminent-threat-will-occur-soon_09112012


The whole thing is sickening.  Thanks for the link.  I am very depressed.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 13, 2012, 01:22:59 PM
it is at times, but , we do have Hope  :incense: :pray:
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Nadir on September 13, 2012, 04:03:11 PM
Yes, it is the Truth which sets us free. This is a turning point for you, Loriann. Have hope! God never sends more than He gives us the grace to bear!
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 13, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
Quote from: Nadir
Yes, it is the Truth which sets us free. This is a turning point for you, Loriann. Have hope! God never sends more than He gives us the grace to bear!


I am a person who hopes and prays, Nadir. It is what I do best. :)
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on September 13, 2012, 07:11:11 PM
9-11-2001 Explained in 5 Minutes!!!

http://youtu.be/jLXyB5GtfBU
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 13, 2012, 08:45:44 PM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
9-11-2001 Explained in 5 Minutes!!!

http://youtu.be/jLXyB5GtfBU

Excellent
video, thanks for sharing/
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Belloc on September 14, 2012, 07:25:34 AM
Quote from: Nadir
Yes, it is the Truth which sets us free. This is a turning point for you, Loriann. Have hope! God never sends more than He gives us the grace to bear!


 :applause:
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: jlamos on September 14, 2012, 12:48:26 PM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
9-11-2001 Explained in 5 Minutes!!!

http://youtu.be/jLXyB5GtfBU


 :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Vandaler on September 14, 2012, 04:43:35 PM
Seems someone is getting convinced... Congratulations.  

I have limited time, so I can't address the mob and multiple claims, but I surely can address one. For many years now, I've always let my opponents choose their fighting ground and favorite argument.   What is the one thing that is on your mind that you want diversity of opinion on ?

I assure you: this emperor has clothes.

You can always stroll through in the archives and read what I did to a certain Hollingworth in the same conditions.

Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 14, 2012, 08:19:36 PM
Quote from: Vandaler
Seems someone is getting convinced... Congratulations.  

I have limited time, so I can't address the mob and multiple claims, but I surely can address one. For many years now, I've always let my opponents choose their fighting ground and favorite argument.   What is the one thing that is on your mind that you want diversity of opinion on ?

I assure you: this emperor has clothes.

You can always stroll through in the archives and read what I did to a certain Hollingworth in the same conditions.



What have you heard about the "warnings" of 9/11
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 14, 2012, 10:20:38 PM
It's really funny now how they're trying the same lies again with the US
consulate attack on Tuesday in Libya. The WH press office is in full-steam
ahead mode saying there was absolutely no intelligence indicating any
trouble on the anniversary of 9-11. Which is a lie. It wasn't planned, they
say, but erupted spontaneously because of a rogue YouTube video -- kind
of like a rogue wave on the ocean, you see...


How many times will Americans just roll over and take the lies??  :really-mad2:


11 years after the September 11th attacks on the WTC, and nobody was on
extra alert at any of our Embassy buildings anywhere in the world? Numerous
early reports said that this was NOT a "spontaneous mob," but had every
indication of a well-planned technical strike. RPG's and incindiary devices were
used to suddenly attack UNDEFENDED offices. Spontaneous mobs don't do that.

But not according to the spokesholes at the White House. Oh, no. So the lie
begins all over, just like it did 11 years ago. Only this time, only 3 days later,
we have already had the "official" military ceremony of meticulously carrying
4 caskets off the plane and putting them in 4 hearses, at Andrews Air Force
Base, MD (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/14/obama-libya-remains-chris-stevens_n_1884567.html). Then Hillary gave her spin-doctoring opportunity speech,
followed by Obama's worthless opinions.

The Military Brass sounded flawless, and the pallbearers looked immaculate.
Is this what it takes to bring out the best in the US military? Too bad we don't
have a competent Commander-in-Chief. It really showed without the erstwhile
ubiquitous teleprompter. Can you imagine this consulate attack happening under
the watch of a real President, like Ronald Reagan? No way.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Vandaler on September 14, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Loriann
What have you heard about the "warnings" of 9/11


There were warnings, many warnings from the CIA.  There were also a whole lot of knowledge within the FBI which, if there had been a high state of alert, might very well have prevented at least one flight to be high jacked.  

There is no doubt in my mind that 9/11 was preventable with the information the U.S. already had.  I can go about in great length on that subject of missed opportunities and almost inexplicable lack of coordination between the FBI and the CIA.  But that in no way means it was allowed to happen intentionally.

Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Vandaler on September 15, 2012, 08:20:57 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Can you imagine this consulate attack happening under
the watch of a real President, like Ronald Reagan? No way.



Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut

A ѕυιcιdє bomber in a pickup truck loaded with explosives rammed into the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. Sixty-three people were killed, including 17 Americans, eight of whom were employees of the Central Intelligence Agency, including chief Middle East analyst Robert C. Ames and station chief.

The U.S. government took no military action in response to the embassy bombing, although, according to retired Marine Lt. Col. Bill Cowan, a covert military team entered Beirut in order to gather intelligence in preparation for retaliatory strikes.

Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Vandaler on September 15, 2012, 09:06:33 AM
Also, unlike typical consulates and embassies, the consulate building in Benghazi was not constructed to U.S. Department of State security standards. It was a villa that was being rented until a more suitable facility could be constructed. There was no U.S. diplomatic presence in Benghazi prior to the Libyan revolution, and the U.S. presence in the city was established hastily while the fighting with the regime was still under way.

The U.S. government accountability review board that will be established to investigate the Benghazi attack will undoubtedly examine the decision to take Stevens into a city with a demonstrable jihadist threat on the anniversary of 9/11.


Read more: Understanding What Went Wrong in Benghazi | Stratfor
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Vandaler on September 15, 2012, 09:20:46 AM
Finally, what strikes me more, with all the emphasis on black flag operations, there is no recognition that this is one right here (Benghazi attack).  Seems there is no interest in those when it comes from Salafist movements.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Loriann on September 15, 2012, 11:25:13 AM
The "new" wave of 9/11 attacks seem to be very similar to the old--warnings unheeded--well armed lunatics--it is very sad.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Vandaler on September 15, 2012, 01:52:59 PM
Quote from: Loriann
The "new" wave of 9/11 attacks seem to be very similar to the old--warnings unheeded--well armed lunatics--it is very sad.


Meh, the unheeded warning charge comes in a hot and heavy political season... very little known facts are out there to come to a solid conclusion on either side.
Title: September 11, 2001
Post by: Jack in the Box on September 15, 2012, 05:14:08 PM
to traditionalguy22: The September 11 attack was an inside job. It insults everyone's intelligence to think otherwise. There is a group of several hundred architects who signed a docuмent that the Twin Towers could not have been put-down by the airplanes alone.

911 was the result of several years of planning in order to evaluate the public's reaction. This planning came two-fold:

1. Can a large airliner be rammed into an obstacle by a fanatic? Yes, it was proven several years ago by a wide-body carrying hundreds of passenger that crashed without reason into the Atlantic Ocean. This airplane was owned by Egypt-Air, it was the co-pilot who did it (source the related article of the Atlantic Monthly Magazine).

2. Can the general public be bamboozled by a bombing from the inside that is made to look to come from the outside? Yes, it was done in Oaklahoma City to the Murray Federal Building. The said building was wired, and Timoty Mc Veil was the patsy.