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Sepreme Court appears ready to throw out Obamacare
« on: March 27, 2012, 09:01:05 PM »
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  • Supreme Court Appears Ready to Throw Out Obamacare Law

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    "The nation’s highest court today held a hearing on one of the most contentious portions of the Obamacare law that is opposed by pro-life groups because of rationing and abortion funding concerns — the individual mandate.
     
    The mandate requires Americans to purchase health insurance and the judges on the high court made it appear they are very skeptical whether the mandate is constitutional — so much so that many Supreme Court observers believe that the law is in trouble.

    Potential swing vote Anthony Kennedy, a judge who sometimes sides with pro-life advocates and normally sides with conservatives in top cases but also favors Roe, appeared concerned that forcing people to purchase health insurance would lead them to be required to purchase other products ranging from cell phones to gym memberships, according to Washington Examiner reporter Philip Klein, who attended the hearings.
     
    Kennedy, who is thought to be a swing vote in this debate, seemed very skeptical about the mandate — calling such an idea “unprecedented.” He told the Solicitor General that the government needed to answer a “very heavy burden of justification” to show how the Constitution authorizes Congress to require that people buy insurance.
     
    Klein said Kennedy emphasized the unprecedented nature of the mandate and suggested government had a “heavy burden of justification” for it. Kennedy said the Obamacare law “changes the relationship between the individual and the government in a very fundamental way.”
     
    “That’s my concern in the case,” Kennedy said, according to Reuters, noting that young, uninsured people affect the overall market by not paying into it and ultimately receiving care over the long term.
     
    “The questions raised by Justice Kennedy indicate a growing concern about the constitutionality of the individual mandate,” said Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel of the ACLJ. “While you can never predict the outcome of a Supreme Court case based on oral arguments, it is very encouraging that it appears a majority of the Justices understand that requiring Americans to purchase health insurance raises significant constitutional questions. The concerns were clear: if the government is permitted to force Americans to purchase health insurance, where do you draw the line? Most Americans don’t want ObamaCare and we’re hopeful that a majority of the Justices declare the entire health care law, including the individual mandate, unconstitutional.”
     
    The four pro-abortion, liberal justices on the Court all appeared ready to defend Obamacare and each indicated that they believed the mandate was valid under the U.S. Constitution.
     
    Meanwhile, Chief Justice John Roberts said if the mandate is upheld, government power will be without limits. Klein said Roberts also noted the mandate doesn’t just force people into the into emergency insurance market but forces them to pay for other benefits they may never need. Justice Samuel Alito compared the mandate to health insurance mandating everybody purchase burial insurance.
     
    CNN Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin, following the Supreme Court arguments, suggested the future for Obamacare at the Supreme Court looks grim, based on what he saw during the hearing.
     
    “This was a train wreck for the Obama administration,” he said. “This law looks like it’s going to be struck down. I’m telling you, all of the predictions including mine that the justices would not have a problem with this law were wrong… if I had to bet today I would bet that this court is going to strike down the individual mandate.”
     
    Toobin went as far as saying he thought U.S. Solicitor General David Verrilli did a terrible job representing the Obama administration.
     
    “I don’t know why he had a bad day,” he said. “He is a good lawyer, he was a perfectly fine lawyer in the really sort of tangential argument yesterday. He was not ready for the answers for the conservative justices.”
     
    While some conservatives are concerned about Kennedy as the swing vote, Toobin said he is a “lost cause” for those wanting Obamacare upheld.
     
    The nation’s highest court is expected to issue a ruling on Obamacare in late June.
     

    Tom Goldstein of SCOTUS blog sums up the end of the arguments:
     
    “The individual mandate is in trouble—significant trouble,” he said. “The conservatives all express skepticism, some significant.”
     
    Towards the end of the argument the most important question was Justice Kennedy’s. After pressing the government with great questions Kennedy raised the possibility that the plaintiffs were right that the mandate was a unique effort to force people into commerce to subsidize health insurance but the insurance market may be unique enough to justify that unusual treatment. But he didn’t overtly embrace that. It will be close. Very close."

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    Sepreme Court appears ready to throw out Obamacare
    « Reply #1 on: March 27, 2012, 09:02:23 PM »
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  • I didn't spell "Supreme" right in the title. LOL. Oh well, sorry about that.


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    Sepreme Court appears ready to throw out Obamacare
    « Reply #2 on: March 27, 2012, 09:39:36 PM »
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  • They'll affirm in part and overturn in part. You'll see.
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    Sepreme Court appears ready to throw out Obamacare
    « Reply #3 on: March 30, 2012, 06:26:45 PM »
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  • The U.S.is already over 20 years into the new healthcare.  In 1990, I saw the first school based clinics. These are part of the healthcare reform.  Every state did this and had books made of page after page of schools and if they have school linked or based clinics.  The state bills followed with transportation of students by buses.  The book(paper back 8X11 for the phx area was called, "Together We Care" april 1998 and we had over 80 listings.  In 2002, we had 97 at last count. Over rides now pay for the clinics and links and Community  and Family Resource centers.  So, when I hear or read that people are trying to fight it at the Supreme court I know it is already in place and going!  We have no vote, we never even seen it coming!  I was taught in 1990 about it. You can go to: Family and Youth Services Bureau and read up on it.  You get to see who pays into it and grantees, partnerships and such.  This is where the contraceptives/abortion services are rendered.  This was the dream come true of Hilary Clinton.  To get my book, I had to be asked "Who are You?" like the wizard of OZ.  I was taken throughout the building and I am sure I had cameras on me. It was the chance I took in 1998.  And I hate to say it, but the biggest pusher of sex education was the New Order (so-called catholic).  It shocked so many of us women who were fighting sex ed. that some went on Prozac.  That bad!  We had no idea!  When the state of phx said no sex class ed., the catholic schools were doing it and getting paid by the federal gov't in fed. grants.  If it was the AIDS Task Force, Bishop Moreno of Tucson was at the top of names and he was sued for the grant that he did on the catholic schools to introduce condoms and in hopes that the children would take it to the nest at home for the parents.   But everyone is paying into the healthcare reform and all behind our backs.  Your companies and charities under CCHD and United WAy, which is of CCHD pay for these clinics.ANd the biggy of biggies, the Tobacco tax fund the clinics, private or faith-based groups, grocery stores like Frys and Basha. Every school district/clinics has a hospital linked to it as well.  These are all in place.  As for the links, look in your area.  Do you have medical plazas yet to be filled?  I envision that they will be filled pretty soon.  And if this is the case, see who owns these plazas?  Here in phx they are RBI's and you can see who they are.  But if this is the case, then these lots of land were spoken for and left open til time to build?  Here in AZ, a bill was passed in 2000 that stated that the state insurance would no longer be.  Yeap! And that was set for the year, 2012.  So, please, don't vote for school over-rides and DON'T support CCHD and such.  That is why I say, show me one bishop that is really pro-life/pro-family!  There is none as long as they support CCHD and other so-called charities that are not charitable!! And in 1998 Title V grants paid for the paperback book that I have dated 1998.

     

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