Author Topic: Self-Absorbed Left Coast Suffragette Attacks Trad Men (Read 23521 times)

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #30 on:** August 04, 2011, 01:39:58 AM »

Hello Bernadette, I think your posts were always worth reading and instructive even if occasionally painful and at variance with different aspects of my own on-line activities.

I think the bottom line in all of this is that Traditionalism as a society of people who gather together has a right to impose norms of behavior on those who belong to the group.

I'm afraid that if you're unwilling to abide by those norms, as minimal as they are, you're going to be ostracized.

If I were in an irregular living situation myself, as I presume both of the forum owners once were, you'd have to expect a certain amount of social pressure. This is normal and part of human societies and there's nothing wrong with it.

The kicker comes in when a disordered society, however small or large, attempts to impose itself on another society.

I view the disgraceful behavior of posters like CollegeCatholic, and others in that millieu like the alleged successful businessman ggreg to be altogether inconsistent with a Catholic ethos.

To a man, or woman in this case, they attack not only individual men, but patriarchy itself, they even attack modesty.

I'm sure many are familiar with Sciopio's diabolically perverse and absurd argument that women who dress modestly are immodest.

I think that actually describes these posters.

At the end of the day, after the bottom line I just described above, they can complain all they want about traditionalist social norms and how that is carried out. They can even challenge the mental wholeness of those who impose those norms, describing the practitioners as hypocritical and oppressive.

Quite apart from the notion as to whether or not they are right or wrong, they are themselves imposing standards of dress and accompanying mental attitudes that have never, no where at any time, been consistent with Christianity.

Catholic women were always expected to dress modestly and deport themselves quietly in church.

Catholic men were always expected to defend their wives, even going to the cross for them.

Both of these injunctions, and the unitive aspect of marriage itself, its purity and Chastity is held up to constant ridicule in this forum.

The intellectual dishonesty, combined with the oppressive coercion on the part of a faction of leftist females and their male cooperators really stunned me.

You ask how I could stand it. Up until that point, I rarely had any dealings with Iolanthe or any of the other females, except to insitst at one point that a man has a right to want a woman who hasn't succuмbed to the impure and deranged society around us. It didn't get far, but these women were sure to berate and intimidate JayneK, who they accused, like a certain kind of uneducated American Black will accuse other blacks of being an uncle Tom or an Uncle Ruckus for getting an education, of selling out woman.

In any event, if Vox is content to provide support to this, she obviously hasn't learned anything from her failed relationship with Quis. I refrained from saying anything about their personal life up until this point, and I have to say that I also refrained from calling Vox a homewrecker or Quis an adulterer, but if that's what they are, then it's not surprising that the forum they run is dominated by a malignant faction of people who are completely at variance with the Church Militant as She has been always and everywhere. There are just some things with respect to modesty, the dignity and beauty of woman, as well as the ordered and therefore hierarchical, patriarchical nature of Catholic society that is always and everywhere maligned and held up to ridicule on that forum.

I have to think that the sole purpose of the apparently useful resources that have been amassed on that forum are simply honey to draw the swarming bees of tradition into a trap.

One of the first things a traditionalist will see upon coming into the forum is pornographic post by ggreg informing a gathered audience that trad males are degenerate and incapable losers.

Let's be clear. ggreg's online persona probably isn't real. He has very little understanding of ecclesiology and frequently disparages Catholic teaching as well and frequently posts very negatively whenever he posts.

He claims to want to inform and help, but I don't know anyone he's helped. As far as I can see, he's only aimed to tell malicious stories to make Catholics despair.

That's a pretty serious charge, but I wouldn't expect any less of a group of people who basically do nothing but slander, calumniate and ridicule people who don't hold to their indefensible accommodations to the world.

Having said all that, I think Catholics here and everywhere can take hope by relating to the story of Joseph and Isaac, or the prophets and John the Baptist always pointing their way to the Cross and Resurrection.

It's meant to be this way, of course. Perhaps we won't go to meet lions, but I hope to be able to share this expectation of joy with you as we go to meet our martyrdoms, however secret and ignominious they may be. Being attacked on an internet forum, as childish and toy-like as the medium seems, has caused people to lose their heads, their lives, their souls... I hope we can still love our enemies and go to meet our crosses with the joy of the first martyrs and all those who shed their blood for the Love of Christ.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #31 on:** August 04, 2011, 10:35:06 AM »

I'm very curious about this. Can someone link the thread on FE so I can take a gander at it? Thanks!

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #32 on:** August 04, 2011, 11:12:24 AM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

I'm very curious about this. Can someone link the thread on FE so I can take a gander at it? Thanks!

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3442230.0.html

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #33 on:** August 04, 2011, 03:50:22 PM »

Think I bit off more than I could chew.

113 page thread in just a couple of days? :roll-laugh1:

Graham · « **Reply #34 on:** August 04, 2011, 04:22:47 PM »

That thread and its aftermath was the tipping point for me too.

Jonah · « **Reply #35 on:** August 04, 2011, 04:30:38 PM »

Quote from: Graham

That thread and its aftermath was the tipping point for me too.

Yes, it was downright disgusting.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #36 on:** August 04, 2011, 04:41:00 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Well let's get something straight here Eamon - you weren't right in defending Lua - and you're not right in defending wallflower's moral equivalence.

Let's get things that actually happened straight, O blind one...

You wanted me to throw Lua under the bus because of YOUR experience, before I knew anything about her or what had transpired at FE between you two. I wouldn't do so, which led to your acting like a complete jackass, repeatedly and groundlessly badgering me and calling me a liar, jumping down my throat in the most obviously-irrational manner, and your habitually and swiftly giving into your emotions, voting down (in tandem with stevie wonder) even my most innocuous posts -- which is why I said what I did in the first post I made in this thread. [Don't worry, as I realize you can and will hear/see/learn NOTHING where this matter is concerned.]

Go ahead, Righteous Victim, keep voluntarily reopening a now-putrid, puss-riddden wound...be "RIGHT", whatever the personal cost. I have seen too many people prefer being right to being at peace and I have no time for your egomaniacal nonsense.

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It needs to be constantly held up to scrutiny and the evil doers there need to be exposed.

Well, that may very well be true, but I have rather substantial doubts that you are the right man for the job.

Still, for all the hard words I have uttered, none of which has made the slightest dent, I wish you well, Tele. Goodbye.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #37 on:** August 04, 2011, 04:47:30 PM »

A compilation of lol's on this:

Quote from: ggreg

Why not get realistic? Families cost money. If you want to live in a decent neighbourhood within 90 mins of an international airport, have a bunch of children, two cars, let your wife have her hair and nails done, which she will appreciate when she is feeling unpretty after or during pregnanxy, and live in a 5 bedroom home as your 6 children will need somewhere to sleep, you are going to need a gross income of at least $100k per year. Probably nearer. $150k

Women are not stupid. They are not going to give their life to a man who is some candyland fantasist who cannot function in the modern world. Opportunity abounds more today than ever. Go west young man and makd your fortune. Losers lose.

So he's saying that every woman is a materialist, and wants a suburban lifestyle, and wants their husband to be a materialist as much as she is.

He is completely wrong here. The traditional women I know are not materialists. They want a man who has the Faith, first and foremost. Money is not as big of an issue as this rich materialist man is making it out to be.

And here's a guy who nailed a very good point:

Quote from: rbjmartin

Don't buy it. I landed my hottie while making under $35K. I suppose money can make up for deficiencies in other areas, but I wouldn't count on it as a general rule for marrying a fine female. Charm and humor go a long way.

Although, I will admit...I did buy her big rock for her engagement ring.

Seems like this guy found a woman with some feminine qualities. I really hope for the best for him, although, his comment about the rock was really irrelevant. If she really loved him, he could have bought her a $60 ring, not a $6,000 ring, and it wouldn't have mattered.

Quote from: ggreg

Let's see how far 35k gets you when you have to provide for a family of six children. As a good rule of thumb you house should cost 3 to 3.5 times your income. At 35k you will be living in a basement or trailer. Here in the uk there are families on welfare making more than that.

And as for charm and humor those commodities are just what the sort of trads who cannot function in the moder- world are lacking. If you have charm and humor go into b2b selling and you'll do VErY well.

My opinion of this creep is going down by the millisecond. What a pompous ass.

Open note to self righteous perfidious moron that is called ggreg:

Dear sir,

I'll have you know that I am in the situation you describe (ya know, the $35k and under with 6 children?) I don't give a damn about rules of thumb. I give a damn about frugality. I give a damn about what my husband can afford, and don't expect more out of him than God has given him. Our house payment would probably be a night out at a hotel for you, but we purchased a VERY LARGE HOUSE, that we intend to use as an investment property sometime in the future when we pay it off. I don't walk around with a baby on my hip yelling at my children from a trailer park, sir. No, I live in a city on a pretty nice block, where the people are realistic working poor, not a bunch of scuмbags that when they see you have something new, they have to "one up" you.

I'm sure paying off your mansion, wherever it is, and putting your children's education on a credit card has to make you feel pretty good, and paying off your mortgage is the furthest thing from your mind, considering your ability to send your wife out to Istanbul to meet with her Russian girlfriends. How quaint. We actually want to be OUT of debt, and the debt we are in, will be paid off MAXIMUM in a couple of years (God willing.) Who will be more free? You, or we?

I see your utter disdain for women that actually have qualities in them that men desire. Bitter much? I can only imagine what YOUR wife possesses, and it mustn't be anything very attractive to other men. Too bad you settled. At least you don't have to worry about her being any sort of attractive to other men.

A thought came to my mind from scripture. I'll just refresh your memory, or, I'll even attempt to give you the benefit of the doubt, that you've never read it.

Luke 18: 9-13

And to some who trusted in themselves as just, and despised others, he spoke also this parable: Two men went up into the temple to pray: the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

The Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also is this publican. I fast twice in a week: I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not so much as lift up his eyes towards heaven; but struck his breast, saying: O God, be merciful to me a sinner.

In my observation, the Pharisee, is YOU, sir. "Thank God I'm not like the poor saps making under $35k a year. What morons they are, having big families, and don't have what I HAVE!"

If you had been the last man on earth, I wouldn't have married you.

What really made me sad was reading a modest income man writing about how he should have married late, et cetera. Really? I married at 21, my husband was 28, and I am SO THANKFUL that we married when we did, despite the lack of money. God sends us the one that will help us save our souls.

I look at ggreg here, and now, I just want to pity him. Perhaps God sent him a large income because without it, he would have lost his soul (and still might with his self-righteous mentality.) I look at our situation, and I say, "Not long before we got married, there was a union layoff and my husband could have kept his job making well above $40k, but wanted to go into a trade which didn't end up working out the way he wanted it to." I really believe that God wanted us to be working poor, so that we would be more attached to HIM than with superfluous things. And I thank Him daily for meeting our needs through the amazing resolve of my wonderful treasure of a husband.

Then I read where he continues to belittle traditional men. Evidently, he doesn't understand that my mother's generation, and the one following it, hatemongered against REAL femininity, so much so, that it had a profound impact on their sons. NONE of my brothers are married right now. Why? Probably because their mother was deluded into the feminist mentality without even realizing it. She blames herself, which I really wish she wouldn't. The big problem now, is finding a woman that is a feminine woman, that really knows what women are supposed to be, and knows that she can either build up a man, or ruin him.

Most men now days don't want to be tied down, and are afraid of opening up to ANY woman, much less a feminist. Can you blame them? They envision a woman, carking on them every minute of the day, about how they think they should do this and that, that they need to quit doing this or that, that they're not making enough money, that they're not romancing them, when all they would have to do is LOOK INWARD at themselves, and find all the answers to their problems.

In a previous thread, I linked a book, that I believe would benefit EVERY TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC WOMAN, regardless if they're married or not. I'd be interested in hearing if there were any women on the forum here that actually bought the book or read it since I linked it. I could kick myself for not reading it when it was given to me, as I likely could have prevented certain past train wrecks in my marriage because of what I WAS DOING, thinking it was HE that was doing it to ME!

I'll likely be commenting more on this. 113 pages, and I'm only through page 6.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #38 on:** August 04, 2011, 04:51:18 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

My appeal to you has more to do with calling upon to your deeper sense of decency.

In this particular case, you might as well appeal to a polar bear's sense of equatorial dos and don'ts...

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #39 on:** August 04, 2011, 04:55:21 PM »

I see the Emoting Maniac is at it again...

Tele, go find a gallon of Drano and use it as a chaser as you attempt the impossible task of swallowing your pride...

Telesphorus · « **Reply #40 on:** August 04, 2011, 05:00:44 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

I see the Emoting Maniac is at it again...

Tele, go find a gallon of Drano and use it as a chaser as you attempt the impossible task of swallowing your pride...

Those people at that chapel you call your "friends" should get their act together - as should you.

I don't approve of your insults or of your approval for slanderers.

Liars don't get a pass from me. And that includes lying priests.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #41 on:** August 04, 2011, 05:05:10 PM »

Hey ggreg!

You obviously haven't hung around enough lurking on Cathinfo to see that I caught your venomous sputum. Many of us aren't around all the time to be able to post 24/7, but hey, enjoy.

I wonder if you have the cohones to answer the things I've said regarding your self-righteous attitude. Go on, I could argue with you if you want. Don't know if it would do me a lot of good, since I really am confident that what I've said is an accurate assessment of the facts, and I really don't know if it would do you a lot of good, considering it's pretty clear that you're anchored in your materialistic, judgmental, faithless ideology.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #42 on:** August 04, 2011, 05:08:24 PM »

Quote from: augustine baker

Tired of the rat race, tired of getting laid off from crappy jobs and being a loser Traditionalist who can't keep a wife?

Hi, my name is greggy G and I'm going to show you a program that really works. For just a few hours a day, you can be earning millions of dollars and find yourself a mover and shaker on Wall Street.

And here's the catch, it's totally foolproof if you follow my easy, nine-step program...

:roll-laugh1:

Awesome, man!

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #43 on:** August 04, 2011, 05:22:53 PM »

Flub :)

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #44 on:** August 04, 2011, 05:26:23 PM »

:scratchchin:

Quote from: ggreg

Women like confidence, attention and for you to listen to them and their feelings. They like flowers and they want to feel they are the only one in the world you care about. Pretty simple really. Be interested, don't stalk them. At first play hard to get and make them feel like they are reeling you in to their net. They like that stuff, so let them have their fun.

I'm amazed that you even got married considering the way you think.

Let me clue you in, buddy.

Women want to be loved and appreciated, but they want to be LOVED more, unlike men, who want to be appreciated, and admired for their manliness. Women also vacillate a lot, and want a man who is decisive. They don't want you to "play hard to get." They want you to chase THEM, because it is NOT in a woman's nature to chase. "Let them have their fun?" Seriously? You think we "gather you in our net?" That's really bonkers. Women who are feminine women, are more interested in what men have to say, and if they love a man, they're more interested in the MAN WHO IS SAYING IT, than the topic of which a man is speaking. In order for a man to be masculine, they need a woman who is feminine. The blurring of the roles in the modern world, has been responsible for the emasculation of men, as the women are taking on responsibilities that DO NOT BELONG to the woman in nature, but TO THE MAN.

What would make a man give a woman flowers? If she were a feminist bytch, it's pretty unlikely she's going to see any kind gesture from a gentleman, much less flowers. The reason a man would do any kind gesture for a woman, is because the woman has brought out a manly characteristic in the man. Men don't do things like buy women flowers for just any reason. It's because there's something about that woman that makes him feel like a man.

You can call me a misogynist until the cows come home, sir, but these are tried and true facts throughout history.

It's hilarious how you think you know what women really want, but seeing what you think just makes me hysterically laugh. Thanks for that. I needed a good laugh today.