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Offline SeekerOfTruth

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  • I have been studying the Traditional Catholic Faith in the past few months. I was baptized Catholic (I think) shortly after the V2 council. I attended a parochial school from K thru 8 and then a "Catholic" high school where I did learn some Catholic History including the history of antipopes. I was Confirmed (I think) in the 1980's. I became a Cafeteria Catholic in college and returned to orthodoxy and what I thought was the Catholic Church shortly after.  I was always pro-life and I joined a "Catholic" young adults group as well as some "Catholic" Charismatic prayer groups in my area. I was introduced to the Latin Mass on a visit to EWTN in the late 1990's. I learned a lot more about the Catholic Faith by watching EWTN and listening to a Catholic radio station and attending lots of Catholic retreats. Unfortunately I now recognize I was getting an altered version of the True Catholic Faith. About 10 years ago I met some Traditional Catholics in my area through prolife work, but they lacked charity and I was turned off from the Latin Mass because of their fanatical and judgmental ways. I have forgiven them, and I am now starting to believe that they were just poor and weak messengers, and I decided to take another look at the Traditional Catholic groups.  For years I was told that the liberal priests and nuns who are so against the prolifers were just twisting Vatican II to suit their own agendas. I recently read the V2 docuмents on the Vatican's website, and I finally saw the heresies they contain. I have also read why the Novus Ordo Mass is invalid, The Plot Against the Church, the 1936 article on the Jєωιѕн Peril from the Catholic Gazette of London, and Ratzinger's heretical writings in Principles of Catholic Theology.  I know about the FSSP, the SSPX, the SSPV, the CMRI, the Thuc line, the Siri Pope Gregory XVII folks, and others. I have read the writings of Father Luigi Villa and I know about Malachi Martin and Fr. Rama Coomaraswamy. I have studied the varying opinions and I am leaning towards a Sedevacantist or Sedeimpedist (sp??) position. I stopped attending the Novus Ordo Mass because I could not stand the casual worship anymore. I will not attend a diocesan Latin Mass or the FSSP, and I am still hesitant to go to the Sedevacantist chapel near me because I do not know if the priest has true apostolic succession. I am living like the Japanese Catholics or the English Recusants who did not have priests or Mass for centuries. I do this by trying to make a Spiritual Communion daily, also a Perfect Act of Contrition when I sin, and by reading Traditional Catholic writings including the writings of the Saints. I also pray the Rosary and pray to Our Lady of Good Success. I have rejected the Chaplet of Divine Mercy and all popes after Pius XII.  So where do I turn for a valid Latin Mass??? I live between Tampa and Orlando.
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    « Reply #1 on: September 04, 2014, 03:23:40 AM »
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  • If you are a sedevacantist, then go to Mass at Most Holy Trinity Seminary in Brooksville Florida.  I have never been to there but I know it is one of the best Mass sites in the US for Sedes.  

    Here is a link of the Bulletin,

    http://mostholytrinityseminary.org/QAS%20Bulletin%20New.pdf

    If you are worried about apostolic succession, my question is do you believe in Thuc Bishops?  If you do, then you should Bishop Sanborn and any of the priests at MHT are validly ordained and have apostolic succession.

    Bishop Sanborn's Episcopal Lineage is: Sanborn > Mckenna > Des Lauriers > Thuc
    Des Lauriers is one of the safest lines of lineage, if not the safest.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 04, 2014, 06:19:46 AM »
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  • My in-laws live in Lakeland, Florida.  When we visit, we go to a chapel in Tampa:

    Immaculate Heart of Mary Chapel
    2404 E. Stuart St., Tampa, FL 33605

    http://www.immaculateheartofmarychapel.com/

    If this is the chapel you say you are hesitant to go to, I suggest you make an appointment with one of the priests and discuss your concerns.  I am sure he will put your concerns to rest.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 04, 2014, 07:41:15 AM »
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  • To tdrev123,

    I will give Bp Sanborn's parish a call to get their views.

    Also I talked to a Traditional priest in Spring Hill which is near Brooksville. He had a British accent and he told me that because of the promise of perpetual succession that he says the pre-1955 Mass in union with Francis and the local bishop. He told me to attend a diocesan Latin Mass in Tampa. Do you know anything about him?  

    Both Spring Hill and Brooksville are a bit too far for me to drive but I will be interested in hearing more from the Brooksville chapel.
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    « Reply #4 on: September 04, 2014, 07:45:47 AM »
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  • To TKGS,

    Thanks. I talked to the priest at the Immaculate Heart Chapel in Tampa that you mentioned. He said he is Sedevacantist but does not require me to hold that belief. However, when I talked to him, I forgot to ask him about his Apostolic succession. Do you know?

    Thanks!
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    « Reply #5 on: September 04, 2014, 07:57:23 AM »
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  • You seem to be ahead of the game, SeekerofTruth.
    Welcome.
    Have you looked into Sacred Heart Traditional Chapel in Orlando?
    You can also look into the Byzantine and Maronite parishes in your area as possible options, especially for Reconciliation, er, I mean Confession.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 04, 2014, 09:13:05 AM »
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  • Quote from: SeekerOfTruth
    About 10 years ago I met some Traditional Catholics in my area through prolife work, but they lacked charity and I was turned off from the Latin Mass because of their fanatical and judgmental ways. I have forgiven them, and I am now starting to believe that they were just poor and weak messengers, and I decided to take another look at the Traditional Catholic groups.  


    That seems to happen a good bit.  I'm so glad you've heard His call over all the noise, and that you've found some thoughtful assistance here.  

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    « Reply #7 on: September 04, 2014, 09:49:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: IllyricuмSacrum
    You seem to be ahead of the game, SeekerofTruth.
    Welcome.
    Have you looked into Sacred Heart Traditional Chapel in Orlando?
    You can also look into the Byzantine and Maronite parishes in your area as possible options, especially for Reconciliation, er, I mean Confession.



    I am closer to Tampa than Orlando, but I will look into Sacred Heart.

    I thought that going to an Eastern Catholic priest for confession is forbidden because of their acceptance of the V2 hierarchy. Is this true?
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    « Reply #8 on: September 04, 2014, 11:12:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: IllyricuмSacrum (Sep 4, 2014, 8:57 am)
    You seem to be ahead of the game, SeekerofTruth. [....]  Have you looked into Sacred Heart Traditional Chapel in Orlando?

    Whether one types the phrase "orlando traditional catholic", or "traditional catholic orlando", into an Internet search engine, whether it's the privacy-hostile <www.google.com>, or the privacy-conserving <ixquick.com/>, the first nonadvertising result is <orlando-sacred-heart.org> (the customary "www." being optional).  That's exactly the Web site you'd want to find.

    The church provides a remarkably extensive slate of Masses and devotions (I've been told that the Missale Romanum is a 1948 edition).  A link to its regular "SCHEDULE" is in the middle section of the menu-stripe on the Web site's main page, just below the name-plate.  The header content below the name-plate provides not only the church's address, but also (for the directionally challenged) its latitude & longitude.


    As for apostolic succession:
    Pastor Louis Montelongo was ordained to the Catholic priesthood, according to the traditional rite, by independent Bp. Timothy Hennebery (R.I.P. June 2012).
    Asst. Pastor Jonathan Derrington was ordained to the Catholic priesthood, according to the traditional rite, by independent Bp. Patrick Taylor (for whose valid succession through Bp. Thuc, Fr. Rama Coomaraswamy specifically cited confirmation by Fr. Malachi Martin's highly placed sources).

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    « Reply #9 on: September 04, 2014, 12:44:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: SeekerOfTruth
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    You seem to be ahead of the game, SeekerofTruth.
    Welcome.
    Have you looked into Sacred Heart Traditional Chapel in Orlando?
    You can also look into the Byzantine and Maronite parishes in your area as possible options, especially for Reconciliation, er, I mean Confession.



    I am closer to Tampa than Orlando, but I will look into Sacred Heart.

    I thought that going to an Eastern Catholic priest for confession is forbidden because of their acceptance of the V2 hierarchy. Is this true?


    The Uniate Particular Churches have their own valid hierarchy, with an unbroken lineage. While they may accept the NO hierarchy it is my experience that Eastern Rite priests do preach EENS more frequently and more forcefully than do many Trad clergy, SV or non-SV.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 04, 2014, 02:00:57 PM »
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  • Who the h&!! down-voted me? Either he doesn't  like the long-suffering Catholic East, or is upset that some Uniates uphold the Infallible doctrine of EENS better than some Trads.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 04, 2014, 02:10:20 PM »
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  • seekeroftruth - The sspv/cspv offer masses in Florida.  Click on the icon/second photo from the top in this link(http://congregationofstpiusv.net/BishopKelly.html) and view the docuмentation of Bishop Kelly's consecration.  Thuc trads(illyricuмsacrum for a perfect example won't even acknowledge that these photos exist) plant seeds of doubt about his +Kelly's consecration when there are none.  

    And, if you have not read the sacred and the profane by +Kelly, do read it - http://congregationofstpiusv.net/

    As far as Brooksville goes(Sanborn), amongst thuc trad lines, Gerhard de laurier's line(sanborn) is considered the more dubious of the lines.  In this video(towards the end, but I really recommend watching it all) Fr. Jenkins talks about the de lauriers consecration().  I am pretty sure even arch schuckardtite(cmri) "ambrose" from this forum considered de lauriers consecration dubious.  

    Also, Thuc line sedes believe and teach(indirectly) that they are the new hierarchy(this was what Thuc's handlers Dr(s). Hiller and Heller wanted - to "reestablish the heirarchy").  Here is link revealing how Pivarunis indirectly vouches for this(how these thuc garage bishops have "authority") - http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Fr-Fouhy-formerly-Married-in-COMMUNION-with-CMRI-Scandal.  Let's not forget to mention that this fr. fouhy speaking for pivarunis in the video left the priesthood and got married then divorced and came back to become a thuc bishop.

    If you are not pleased with/sure about the sspv, that is perfectly fine(I am not entirely pleased), but I strongly recommend that you stay far away from the thuc line.  They are wolves in sheep's clothing.


    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    « Reply #12 on: September 04, 2014, 02:11:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: AlligatorDicax
    Quote from: IllyricuмSacrum (Sep 4, 2014, 8:57 am)
    You seem to be ahead of the game, SeekerofTruth. [....]  Have you looked into Sacred Heart Traditional Chapel in Orlando?

    Whether one types the phrase "orlando traditional catholic", or "traditional catholic orlando", into an Internet search engine, whether it's the privacy-hostile <www.google.com>, or the privacy-conserving <ixquick.com/>, the first nonadvertising result is <orlando-sacred-heart.org> (the customary "www." being optional).  That's exactly the Web site you'd want to find.

    The church provides a remarkably extensive slate of Masses and devotions (I've been told that the Missale Romanum is a 1948 edition).  A link to its regular "SCHEDULE" is in the middle section of the menu-stripe on the Web site's main page, just below the name-plate.  The header content below the name-plate provides not only the church's address, but also (for the directionally challenged) its latitude & longitude.


    As for apostolic succession:
    Pastor Louis Montelongo was ordained to the Catholic priesthood, according to the traditional rite, by independent Bp. Timothy Hennebery (R.I.P. June 2012).
    Asst. Pastor Jonathan Derrington was ordained to the Catholic priesthood, according to the traditional rite, by independent Bp. Patrick Taylor (for whose valid succession through Bp. Thuc, Fr. Rama Coomaraswamy specifically cited confirmation by Fr. Malachi Martin's highly placed sources).


    It is my understanding that +Taylor was a Novus Ordo presider who received conditional ordination from a valid schismatic bishop and later received consecration through the same lineage. Years later he received conditional consecration from the +Thuc and Duarte-Costa/Castillo-Mendez lines. If he carries the lines from "Bishops" Coomaraswarmy and Martin (Gaston-Lopez), then that could be a problem, especially if they are his chief lines of succession. Please enlighten me.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 04, 2014, 02:22:42 PM »
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  • Actually + NC-17 + the pictures you showed me were of Fr. Kelly and +Mendez posing for a couple of pictures. No ceremony, no timeline, no nothing.

    As I stated before, SeekerofTruth can go to the Uniates as an option, especially in this crisis. At least the priests and bishops were ordained openly, publically and with all kinds of video footage and copious amounts of still photographs.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 04, 2014, 02:38:08 PM »
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  • Illyricuмsacrum - you are lying again.  If you are not bright enough to click on the link(therefore remaining on the main page), then you would not have even seen a "couple of pictures".  There is only one picture of +Kelly and +Mendez on the main page.  Despite all of that, you still have yet to admit the "existence of these photos" and all of the immaculate docuмentation provided.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15