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Offline CathMom37

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« on: May 17, 2010, 11:36:29 AM »
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    « Reply #1 on: May 17, 2010, 11:39:36 AM »
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  • Welcome aboard, CathMom37 :)

    I am sure the parents around these parts can offer better advice than I, but I wanted to welcome you.  Godspeed :)
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    « Reply #2 on: May 17, 2010, 11:42:29 AM »
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  • 10 plus children. Wow, you have a small tribe :) Welcome aboard!

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    « Reply #3 on: May 17, 2010, 12:09:43 PM »
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  • http://www.lcaminoreal.virtualave.net/
    My opinion? Teach them at home if you can. The above link has many good books that I have ordered for my own children.
    I can tell you from my own experiance, if Satan gets a foothold in your home anywhere, he will snatch the weakest child. In my earlier years I bowed to persons who said that my oldest needed to be out in the world to mingle. Nonsense. She was unable to stand against the world even though she was taught the True teachings of the church.
    I would think it very difficlut indeed to send your children to a school and say listen to the teacher, except in these cases. You see I am Sede and would not allow my children to listen to preachers on EWTN, or, (Now for the firestorm) the SSPX.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 17, 2010, 12:11:21 PM »
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  • You don't give any specifics about the school and what it will contradict.  From my personal experience around traditionals the past twenty-two years, I will say that it is best not to confuse children if you can help it.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 17, 2010, 12:15:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: Dawn
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    My opinion? Teach them at home if you can. The above link has many good books that I have ordered for my own children.
    I can tell you from my own experiance, if Satan gets a foothold in your home anywhere, he will snatch the weakest child. In my earlier years I bowed to persons who said that my oldest needed to be out in the world to mingle. Nonsense. She was unable to stand against the world even though she was taught the True teachings of the church.
    I would think it very difficlut indeed to send your children to a school and say listen to the teacher, except in these cases. You see I am Sede and would not allow my children to listen to preachers on EWTN, or, (Now for the firestorm) the SSPX.


    That was the biggest lie - needing to be out in the world.  Religious were fed that lie, and I've seen and continue to see traditionals (sedes and SSPX) buy into it.    It's amazing the justifications and rationalizations we will let ourselves fall for because we don't have the backbone to be the "lone looney."

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    « Reply #6 on: May 17, 2010, 12:16:05 PM »
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  • What is your motivation for wanting to send them to school?

    I think if the only difference between your values and the school is along the sede/sspx line, you can explain to your children this difference. The two have much more in common than it seems anyone likes to admit. It would be a bigger problem, though, if the school requires you to sign some statement of belief.

    However, if it's a trad/N.O. line you'd be crossing, it's a much bigger issue altogether. (I won't go so far as to say you should NEVER do this because I know how hard homeschooling can be.)

    Past that, schools do vary considerably and I wouldn't trust any of them without talking to someone familiar with the school.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    « Reply #7 on: May 17, 2010, 03:01:02 PM »
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  • Thank you so much for the welcome.

    Specifics- there are nuns teaching.

    Contradictions- that question may be the crux of this entire thing. Does it matter what the contraditions are, or, is it enough that they are there? (this is a serious q, not being a twit here)
    If modernism is a sin, than do we reject it entirely? If a school has some modernism in its teachings, is it sinful to send my kids there??

    My motivations-The Sisters (I truly love the sisters), and, we go to a mission parish, being the only family there (just us and old people lol). Our kids get to see other Trad kids, but it is with this other parish in question, and only a few times a year.





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    « Reply #8 on: May 17, 2010, 03:17:35 PM »
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  • What are your options?

    Can you re-locate to where there would be a school that met your needs?

    Can you continue home schooling?

    They must go to school somewhere or they might be taken away from you and that would be the worst evil yet.  

    God placed us in this world and we have to live here, but teach them not to be a part of the world.  At the same time remember the world is pulling your children and sometime you have to allow them to make their own mistakes or they can rebel when older.

    There is a powerful promise that was given about St.Gertrude the Great, that anyone who thanked God for the graces given her, and asked for something according to the Will of God, it will be provided.  My thinking is that it is God's Will that my children, (now adults) will die in the State of Grace, therefore I made up a little prayer to Our Lord and  in honor of St. Gertrude invoking His promise.  I feel comfort every time I pray it for my offspring, and now grandchildren.  

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    « Reply #9 on: May 17, 2010, 04:28:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: CathMom37
    Thank you so much for the welcome.

    Specifics- there are nuns teaching.

    Contradictions- that question may be the crux of this entire thing. Does it matter what the contraditions are, or, is it enough that they are there? (this is a serious q, not being a twit here)
    If modernism is a sin, than do we reject it entirely? If a school has some modernism in its teachings, is it sinful to send my kids there??

    My motivations-The Sisters (I truly love the sisters), and, we go to a mission parish, being the only family there (just us and old people lol). Our kids get to see other Trad kids, but it is with this other parish in question, and only a few times a year.





    Modernism is a heresy -- the sewer into which all heresies flow -- and is one of the most dangerous things a person's faith can deal with.

    Look at how the Church has fared since Vatican II -- that is Modernism in action. And remember, it's not just numbers -- what kind of Catholics fill the average Novus Ordo pews these days? See how much damage was done?

    Much more damage than peons like Luther, Calvin, and Henry VIII were capable of. (That's a joke -- because they were major heresiarchs. But they don't hold a candle to the destructive power of Modernism)

    Modernism is a multi-faceted heresy that all holds together. It is a well-designed machine designed to drill into your faith and suck the life out of it.

    One of the MANY errors of Modernism is that the Faith "evolved" and that miracles in the Gospel weren't actually miracles. They also say that Jesus didn't ACTUALLY rise from the dead.  

    Like I said, in the past, you had small heresies that denied one or more dogmas of the Faith. Now, you have the sewer into which all those heresies (think of them as individual toilet-flushes) flow -- it's name is Modernism.

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    « Reply #10 on: May 17, 2010, 04:40:59 PM »
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  • Modernism is insidious too.  You don't even realize you've been infected with it until it's too late.   I've spoken to not a few novus ordo women who will swear that they haven't changed and are traditional.  They don't even realize how their thinking has been affected by their decades of exposure to the novus ordo.


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    « Reply #11 on: May 17, 2010, 05:09:16 PM »
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  • Thank you all for the replies thus far. I know what a slippery slope we are in (all of us, esp parents). It literally keeps me up some nights. Sigh.

    I CAN continue to hs, but, its more the idea of them getting a better education than what I can do (the basics), the influence of the Sisters, and building good friendships.

    Matthew-so thats it? Modernism is heresy and we are to have NO part in it? Does that include in the disciplinary laws? (I think that is what they are called-things which in and of themselves CAN be changed from time to time-is that the correct term?) So, assuming that they are changed for the direct purpose of Modernism-same thing would apply, or no?

    Does that make a difference?

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    « Reply #12 on: May 17, 2010, 05:09:56 PM »
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  • CathMom37 call this number and ask that question:  712-256-1218
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    « Reply #13 on: May 17, 2010, 05:13:30 PM »
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  • Modernism is a very specific set of heresies.

    You could read the encyclical of Pope St. Pius X on Modernism (called Pascendi) but it's best to have a teacher or guide for something so confusing as Modernism. I had a seminary professor, myself. I don't know if I would have gotten as much out of Pascendi if I had read it on my own -- and I consider myself an intelligent man.

    You can get some idea of what Modernism teaches by reading the Oath against Modernism:

    THE OATH AGAINST MODERNISM

    Given by His Holiness St. Pius X September 1, 1910.

    To be sworn to by all clergy, pastors, confessors, preachers, religious superiors, and professors in philosophical-theological seminaries.

    I . . . . firmly embrace and accept each and every definition that has been set forth and declared by the unerring teaching authority of the Church, especially those principal truths which are directly opposed to the errors of this day. And first of all, I profess that God, the origin and end of all things, can be known with certainty by the natural light of reason from the created world (see Rom. 1:90), that is, from the visible works of creation, as a cause from its effects, and that, therefore, his existence can also be demonstrated: Secondly, I accept and acknowledge the external proofs of revelation, that is, divine acts and especially miracles and prophecies as the surest signs of the divine origin of the Christian religion and I hold that these same proofs are well adapted to the understanding of all eras and all men, even of this time. Thirdly, I believe with equally firm faith that the Church, the guardian and teacher of the revealed word, was personally instituted by the real and historical Christ when he lived among us, and that the Church was built upon Peter, the prince of the apostolic hierarchy, and his successors for the duration of time. Fourthly, I sincerely hold that the doctrine of faith was handed down to us from the apostles through the orthodox Fathers in exactly the same meaning and always in the same purport. Therefore, I entirely reject the heretical' misrepresentation that dogmas evolve and change from one meaning to another different from the one which the Church held previously. I also condemn every error according to which, in place of the divine deposit which has been given to the spouse of Christ to be carefully guarded by her, there is put a philosophical figment or product of a human conscience that has gradually been developed by human effort and will continue to develop indefinitely. Fifthly, I hold with certainty and sincerely confess that faith is not a blind sentiment of religion welling up from the depths of the subconscious under the impulse of the heart and the motion of a will trained to morality; but faith is a genuine assent of the intellect to truth received by hearing from an external source. By this assent, because of the authority of the supremely truthful God, we believe to be true that which has been revealed and attested to by a personal God, our creator and lord.

    Furthermore, with due reverence, I submit and adhere with my whole heart to the condemnations, declarations, and all the prescripts contained in the encyclical Pascendi and in the decree Lamentabili, especially those concerning what is known as the history of dogmas. I also reject the error of those who say that the faith held by the Church can contradict history, and that Catholic dogmas, in the sense in which they are now understood, are irreconcilable with a more realistic view of the origins of the Christian religion. I also condemn and reject the opinion of those who say that a well-educated Christian assumes a dual personality-that of a believer and at the same time of a historian, as if it were permissible for a historian to hold things that contradict the faith of the believer, or to establish premises which, provided there be no direct denial of dogmas, would lead to the conclusion that dogmas are either false or doubtful. Likewise, I reject that method of judging and interpreting Sacred Scripture which, departing from the tradition of the Church, the analogy of faith, and the norms of the Apostolic See, embraces the misrepresentations of the rationalists and with no prudence or restraint adopts textual criticism as the one and supreme norm. Furthermore, I reject the opinion of those who hold that a professor lecturing or writing on a historico-theological subject should first put aside any preconceived opinion about the supernatural origin of Catholic tradition or about the divine promise of help to preserve all revealed truth forever; and that they should then interpret the writings of each of the Fathers solely by scientific principles, excluding all sacred authority, and with the same liberty of judgment that is common in the investigation of all ordinary historical documents.

    Finally, I declare that I am completely opposed to the error of the modernists who hold that there is nothing divine in sacred tradition; or what is far worse, say that there is, but in a pantheistic sense, with the result that there would remain nothing but this plain simple fact-one to be put on a par with the ordinary facts of history-the fact, namely, that a group of men by their own labor, skill, and talent have continued through subsequent ages a school begun by Christ and his apostles. I firmly hold, then, and shall hold to my dying breath the belief of the Fathers in the charism of truth, which certainly is, was, and always will be in the succession of the episcopacy from the apostles. The purpose of this is, then, not that dogma may be tailored according to what seems better and more suited to the culture of each age; rather, that the absolute and immutable truth preached by the apostles from the beginning may never be believed to be different, may never be understood in any other way.

    I promise that I shall keep all these articles faithfully, entirely, and sincerely, and guard them inviolate, in no way deviating from them in teaching or in any way in word or in writing. Thus I promise, this I swear, so help me God. . .
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  • The question on if we have other choices- we were looking at Tampa, a job opening there, but I am very hesitant with the economy right now (he has major senority in a gov contract job at this point-he wouldnt in FL). Plus, what is all that oil going to do to the shores of these states (another ecomony thing).  

     

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