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Offline InfiniteFaith

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« on: January 05, 2013, 07:44:23 PM »
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  • The Churches teaching on scandal is that it is morally wrong. The reason is that it causes other people to sin or influences them to do so.

    One issue I have with people (especially when I was younger) was that they would say things just to see what I would say. For example, joe blow approaches me one day and makes a comment about how some other person smells bad. If I agree with Joe Blow's comment then Joe Blow would turn around and tell that person that I said he/she smells bad. In this case, Joe Blow influenced my statement by making the comment in the first place. His goal was to get me in trouble since he went straight to that person and said that I said that person stinks. Of course, he didn't mention the part about how he was the first person to say it. This to me would be an example of scandal. Basically by saying something about someone in order to get the opinion of another person about that person.

    Do you think this falls into the category of scandal?

    If it is...then it would be considered a mortal sin and falls into the category of malice...

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13506d.htm

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    « Reply #1 on: January 05, 2013, 08:05:11 PM »
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  • Well, my oldest friend and I met the first day of high school and we still recall the reason.  The fella sitting between us smelled like a three-day-old diaper and we could not keep from cracking up throughout algebra class.

    So, a good casuist would probe your conscience in the confessional to make sure you were not - in your hypothetical example - mistaking an "environmental incident" ( air pollution due to BO ), something any reasonable soul would find immєdιαtely offensive, with a premeditated act to deliberately ruin ol' Stinky's social status ( which, most likely, he'd already done to himself without a word from anyone - especially anyone unfortunate enough to have been downwind ).

    As for "joe blow", he's a complete twit.  In my old parish we had a nickname for guys like him - "target practice".  The only responsible way to deal with jerks like that is to learn martial arts and clean his clock.  Half the time, it's exactly what bullies need to teach them what horse's patoots they are and they end up being friends with the guy that stood up to them.


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    « Reply #2 on: January 05, 2013, 08:23:31 PM »
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  • Based on the link you posted I do not think your example falls in the category of scandal.  Joe might be guilty of gossip though as Stinky would have no other way of knowing the truth about what you said since it is only being related by Joe.  

    Or maybe Joe is just a manipulative brat.  Stay away from Joe.


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    « Reply #3 on: January 05, 2013, 09:20:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
    Based on the link you posted I do not think your example falls in the category of scandal.  Joe might be guilty of gossip though as Stinky would have no other way of knowing the truth about what you said since it is only being related by Joe.  

    Or maybe Joe is just a manipulative brat.  Stay away from Joe.


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    Im saying if Joe intentionally said that so and so smells bad just in order to get me to say it...so that he can go tell that person that I said he/she smells bad. Basically to get in me in trouble. Everything Joe Blow did in this instance was intentional and done for a reason (to get me in trouble). This of course is a minor example whereas it can be much more severe. I still think something like this would be scandal. Whereas if Joe Blow was not trying to set me up, but rather was just an idiotic gossip about things out of stupidness...it might not fall into the category of scandal.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 05, 2013, 09:37:54 PM »
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  • IF, I edited my post to you but it "cemented up" before I could get it on the board.  

    Bottom line: Like da lady sez - make some new friends!

    Take care.  One can easily see you're an honest, good soul.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 06, 2013, 02:58:15 PM »
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  • Scandal means to cause someone else to sin (literally to trap, or to trip someone up).
    Now it seems that the sin is Joe's, not yours, and so it is not scandal.
    Do you think that saying someone smells is a sin if it is true?
    It may be hurtful for the person, but it should also make the smelly one aware and so take measures to correct the fault of smelling badly. Which would be a good thing all around.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 06, 2013, 03:00:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir
    Scandal means to cause someone else to sin (literally to trap, or to trip someone up).
    Now it seems that the sin is Joe's, not yours, and so it is not scandal.
    Do you think that saying someone smells is a sin if it is true?
    It may be hurtful for the person, but it should also make the smelly one aware and so take measures to correct the fault of smelling badly. Which would be a good thing all around.


    yeah i was never really suggesting that I would be the sinner. I was suggesting that Joe blow would be the sinner. Aren't his actions meant to trap the other person? Or in other words, scandal?

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    « Reply #7 on: January 06, 2013, 03:10:31 PM »
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  • One way I have found to avoid this ever happening is not to discuss negative aspects of people who are not there to respond or defend themselves.  I have fallen prey to this game of set up multiple times in my life and it was due to a deep fault of my own: namely being too eager to jump into conversation to discuss other people's faults.

    Sometimes silence, changing the subject or needing to leave right away is the best way to handle these potential problems.

    This is not to say that the original set up artist isn't at fault ... but if you refuse to play the game .. .they're not going to get very far with their bad behavior either. And who knows, being thwarted might just give them a few moments of consideration about what they are actually trying to do.  


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    « Reply #8 on: January 06, 2013, 05:20:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: InfiniteFaith

    Do you think this falls into the category of scandal?


    The short answer is No

    Was Joe intending to make you sin? No, he was setting you up to embarrass you. Keep away from the likes of the hypothetical Joe.
    It is certainly not a good examp[le of what we might call scandal.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 09:51:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir
    Quote from: InfiniteFaith

    Do you think this falls into the category of scandal?


    The short answer is No

    Was Joe intending to make you sin? No, he was setting you up to embarrass you. Keep away from the likes of the hypothetical Joe.
    It is certainly not a good examp[le of what we might call scandal.


    Im not gonna go too far in this thread but I want to further argue that a case like this would be scandal.

    Based on the following sentence from New Advent...something is scandal when someone solicits another person to commit a sin...

    (2) Active scandal is direct when he who commits it has the intention of inducing another to sin; such is the sin of one who solicits another to the crime of adultery, theft etc. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13506d.htm

    In the case of Joe blow, he was soliciting me to say something bad about another person (OK I admit this seems like a weak example but could be more serious). And by saying something negative about another person, I committed a sin (Malice).

    This would only fall into the category of scandal if Joe Blow were intentionally trying to get me to say something bad about another person (or group of people). If this was not done intentionally then it would still be a sin but would not be scandal.


     

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