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Offline AidanK

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Satan exists
« on: September 27, 2016, 08:57:06 PM »
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  • Have been thinking about this a lot recently. Why does God not only allow Satan to exist but also allows him to be abroad?

    Offline Matto

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    Satan exists
    « Reply #1 on: September 27, 2016, 09:29:34 PM »
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    Have been thinking about this a lot recently. Why does God not only allow Satan to exist but also allows him to be abroad?

    I believe God allows Satan to influence us so that his elect can prove their worthiness and become holier in response to Satan's attacks. As Job became holier because of Satan's attacks on him in the Bible.
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    Satan exists
    « Reply #2 on: September 28, 2016, 04:43:36 AM »
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  • God allows the reprobate to continue to exist to make his elect more worthy of Heaven.

    Offline songbird

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    Satan exists
    « Reply #3 on: September 28, 2016, 03:33:57 PM »
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  • why does God allow you, to write and think as you do to start this topic.  Free Will.
    God created all for what reason?  He created angels with free wills and they chose out of pride not to serve.  Question?  

    Offline cassini

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    Satan exists
    « Reply #4 on: September 29, 2016, 05:36:14 AM »
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  • Quote from: AidanK
    Have been thinking about this a lot recently. Why does God not only allow Satan to exist but also allows him to be abroad?


    It comes down to reasoning. God could have made angels and people that had to love him. But instead, he gave both free will so they could choose to love him.

    Say you were to marry. Would you prefer someone who had to marry you or someone who choose to marry you?

    In the beginning the angels had to show themselves worthy of heaven with God. Satan, a 'top' angel, had free will, just as had all the others. He choose not to obey and one third (I think) followed him rather than choosing to love and obey God. Such were the angels created that they knew exactly what they were doing and would never change their choice.

    The very same free-will was/is given to man. And, just as Satan was allowed tempt the angels, so too is he allowed tempt mankind. This way, not only have mankind to choose God, but they have to pass many temptations throughout their lives to do this.

    Man is however 'luckier' that the angels. Man can repent, change minds throughout his or her life.
    As for 'abroad,' well didn't Pope Leo XIII tell us god gave Satan extra freedom to tempt mankind. Matto is correct in pointing out the Book of Job as illustrating the above, where God allowed Satan greater powers to tempt Job. Unsuccessfully I might add.  


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    Satan exists
    « Reply #5 on: September 29, 2016, 09:39:12 AM »
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  • You can be educated in a novus ordo parochial school and never hear nor
    read about the existence of devils, satan.  They are treated as
    something from the middle ages, mythological figures not to be taken
    seriously.
    The evil they talk about is not taking care of the poor, the downtrodden.
    And opposing the current one world liberal socialist agendas.

     

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