Author Topic: Sad Faces (Read 7232 times)

poche · « **on:** June 03, 2013, 03:22:16 AM »

Long, sad faces are no way to announce the Gospel. Christian joy also comes from “spending a little bit of time giving praise,” the Pope said during this morning’s mass celebration in St. Martha’s House, in which he also referred back to the teaching of Paul VI. Today’s mass was attended by staff from the Vatican’s Economic Services and some collaborators of the Swiss Guard. Excerpts of the Pope’s homily are published on the Vatican Radio website.

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-25286/

poche · « **Reply #1 on:** June 03, 2013, 03:24:31 AM »

"From sad saints deliver us oh Lord!" St Theresa of Avila.

poche · « **Reply #2 on:** June 03, 2013, 04:03:51 AM »

A good follow up question might be; "How am I promoting the Catholic Faith?" "Am I cheerful?"

Stubborn · « **Reply #3 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:35:49 AM »

Typical modernistinc NO garbage.

The issue is not being cheerful, the issue is preaching the truth for the salvation of souls - a concept completely adverse within the NO - not putting on a happy face because the Holy Spirit gave you joy.

What the heck is "Announcing the Gospel" anyway?

Ethelred · « **Reply #4 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:55:49 AM »

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Typical modernistinc NO garbage.

As usual with Poche.

By the way: Poche, please stop your Newchurch propaganda !

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What the heck is "Announcing the Gospel" anyway?

Announcing the Newgospel, to be correct.

With a cheerful face, not a sad one. That would be opposing the desired effect.

Looks like so :

Graham · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2013, 06:57:14 AM »

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"From sad saints deliver us oh Lord!" St Theresa of Avila.

I'm pretty sure this is a misquote. I'll look it up this evening.

Ethelred · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2013, 07:15:47 AM »

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What the heck is "Announcing the Gospel" anyway?

I forgot the classics amongst those cheerful faces "announcing the Newgospel" -- always in front of the same Giger sculpture.

Cheers!

Stubborn · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2013, 07:30:04 AM »

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If you do not praise God, you will never know the gratuity of spending time praising God, the Mass is long.” This is what eternity will be: giving praise to God! And that will not be boring: it will be beautiful! This joy makes us free. "

If we do not "praise God"(?) we just won't know what we're missing - HA! Well shoot -that's not so bad.

And our eternity will be praising God and it won't be so boring there like it is here.

Salvation is expected either way. This stuff nauseates me.

Stubborn · « **Reply #8 on:** June 03, 2013, 07:31:21 AM »

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What the heck is "Announcing the Gospel" anyway?

I forgot the classics amongst those cheerful faces "announcing the Newgospel" -- always in front of the same Giger sculpture.

Cheers!

Some may say, you are identifying the abuses with the "New Mass" itself. I am saying that the "New Mass" IS the abuse of the True Mass! I am saying that, with the jettisoning of both the law and the spirit of Quo Primum, by that very Act, the Pope has not only substituted something totally different from the Mass, but that it is of the very essence of the "New Mass" to permit every form of profanation, because the "New Mass" makes the good pleasure of the people its "liturgy." - Fr. Wathen, 1971

Ethelred · « **Reply #9 on:** June 03, 2013, 08:51:34 AM »

Don't like pictures? Here some text only, old Church thinking :

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Eleison Comments 237 (28th January 2012) : More cheerful

Your Excellency, please tell us something more cheerful!

God exists. He is all-powerful, all-knowing, all-just, but his mercy is also boundless. He is in perfect control of all that is happening in the world. Neither the Devil nor his human servants, including the criminals now running the world, can lift a finger without his permission. He knows every detail of their diabolical plans and is using every single one of them to fulfil his own Providential design.

But how then can he be allowing so much evil in our world?

Because while he never wants evil, he wants to allow it, so as to bring out of it a greater good. Many prophecies indicate that out of today’s global corruption will arise tomorrow the greatest triumph ever of the Catholic Church, e.g. Our Lady of Fatima; “In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph.” What is happening right now is that Our Lord is using his enemies to purify his Church.

But could he not have found a less unpleasant way of purifying his Church than for us to have us go through today’s unbelievable corruption?

If it depended only on him, undoubtedly he could have found other ways of purifying his Church, but if you and I knew all that he knows – foolish thought! – and if above all you and I wanted, as he does, to respect the free-will that he gives to all human beings, then there is every likelihood that you and I would see that the way he is choosing to do things is the best.

And just what does man’s free-will have to do with it?

God does not want robots or merely irrational animals to share with him in his bliss. Now even he cannot give to his creatures a deserved happiness which they have done nothing to deserve, because that is contradictory and his power is over all being, not over non-being such as things contradictory. But if creatures are at least in part to deserve his bliss, then he must give them free-will, which if it is to be for real, must be able to choose the opposite of what he wants for it, and if it is really able to choose evil, then that is what will happen, more or less often.

But you say that the true Church follows Our Lord in teaching that narrow is the path to Heaven and few there be that find it (Mt.VII, 14). How can it be worth God’s while to have created, just today for instance, a mass of human beings, if only relatively few reach Heaven? How can so many falling into the horrors of Hell not be too high a price to pay for the relatively few reaching Heaven?

Because God works in quality, not in quantity. That a mere ten men could have saved from his wrath the whole city of Sodom (Gen. XVIII, 32) proves how precious to God is one single soul responding to his love, over a large number that by their own free choice do not want his love. “I would have gone through the whole Passion just for you,” said Our Lord once to a soul. He would say it to any soul.

Do you mean that if, when the world worries and torments me, I merely stick all the more closely to God, then he takes account of it, for me and for those around me? I might almost want the world to be still worse!

Now you are getting the idea!

Kyrie eleison.

Bishop Richard Williamson

poche · « **Reply #10 on:** June 03, 2013, 09:12:28 AM »

To announce the Gospel is the same as to preach the Gospel. Here is an example of an exhortation of Bishop Penlaver to one of his priests;

The bishop's exhortation to a pastor to do more for his flock

Archives

Diocese of Louisiana and the Floridas 1796/01/08

1796 Jan. 8
Penalver y Cardenas, Luis Bishop
(New Orleans)

to Father Sebastien Flavian,
?Besancon, O.M.C.?
(St. Charles of les Allemands)
The Bishop states: 1) That he received Father Flavian's letter of last Dec. 29 as well as the census of the parish of St. Charles of the first coast of Les Allemands of its need and of other occurrences.
2) That with sorrow he read that out of 2,232 souls mentioned in the census only eight have fulfilled their obligations towards the Church during the year 1795. This could not be but for the pastor's indolence. He has to go after the sheep in the woods if they are so untamed.
3) That Father Flavian must preach every Sunday, holidays, and whenever it may be necessary. If the parishioners do not come to church to listen to God's teachings, he must go to their houses either with exhortation or reproaches, according to the circuмstances. Not all will be so deaf as not to listen to him.
4) Accordingly, that Father Flavian must visit the parishioners and remind them of their obligations as Christians. He must do so with all the lower class people and exhort them to send their slaves to church.
5) That Father Flavian should act with gentleness and charity in order to make the parishioners docile and tractable when they understand that they do not have other aim than the salvation of their souls. However, the fact that Father Flavian contents himself with saying that only eight of his flock are obedient whereas 2,224 are rebellious, makes the Bishop consider him as useless servant.
6) That Father Flavian should preach to the parishioners not to give private Baptism unless in case of necessity. As soon as he learns of any birth he must go to the house within eight days and ask the parents to bring the child to church for the sacrament, according to instructions of the King.
7) That Father Flavian must make up the marriage records and warn the parties to confess four or eight days before the marriage. They who do not obey this order cannot be married. they will serve as example for the others.
That although the inhabitants want the slaves to be baptised without instruction, Father Flavian must not allow exhorting the masters to give them the necessary instructions.
9) That he must reproach those who make the slaves work on days of obligation; they have to dedicate the day to Our Lord. Moreover, Father Flavian should notify the commander, who has the necessary jurisdiction to make the law effective.
10) That he does not see any reason why the parishioners should notify the pastor before the burial or the Baptism of a slave, but that they could do so as they bring the corpse or the one to be baptised, attending however, to the details for the entry and clarity of the books.
11) That whenever the pastor is called to administer the sacraments he must be accompanied by an assistant. The same holds for the Mass on holy days.
12) Finally, that Father Flavian has to give account to God of 2,232 souls under his care and it is very bad administration to gain only eight out of this number, while the others remain astray. Father Flavian must work with this in mind so that nothing will be difficult to him, and his efforts will be agreeable.
13) That in regard to the rest of Father Flavian's letter about the local situation of the church and when he may come to New Orleans, he will talk with the Bishop who will then decide what is suitable.
Signed by the Bishop of Louisiana.

Zeitun · « **Reply #11 on:** June 03, 2013, 09:32:05 AM »

Is this what you meant poche?

MiserereMeiDeus · « **Reply #12 on:** June 03, 2013, 09:36:28 AM »

Dear Poche,
It is all well and good to tell people that cheerful faces are more engaging than sad ones, but surely you cannot be suggesting that people should play act? If my heart is breaking, my face will reflect that. People can tell when someone is being phony -- and a fake smile does not win converts!

Stubborn · « **Reply #13 on:** June 03, 2013, 09:43:48 AM »

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To announce the Gospel is the same as to preach the Gospel.

It is not the same thing.

The NO does not preach the Gospel - if the NO did preach the Gospel then there would be no NO. Since the NO is anti-Catholic, it does not preach the Gospel, it "announces" it like Protestants do.

poche · « **Reply #14 on:** June 03, 2013, 10:58:05 AM »

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Dear Poche,
It is all well and good to tell people that cheerful faces are more engaging than sad ones, but surely you cannot be suggesting that people should play act? If my heart is breaking, my face will reflect that. People can tell when someone is being phony -- and a fake smile does not win converts!

What is being suggested is to try. Try your best. Edith Stein was converted by the peace and interior joy that she observed at the funeral of a collegue. You never know whose conversion you could bring about. If we are happy to be Catholic that will come through. Practice smiling.