Author Topic: Sacrariums (Read 2831 times)

Malleus · « **on:** November 27, 2014, 07:52:53 PM »

I have been told by an ex-Novus Ordinarian that the usual practice in the NO parishes is that they throw away the water used in the mess anywhere there is earth or in pots and planters, instead of in the sacrarium, if they even have one that is. I read that the pipe of the sacrarium was directly connected to the earth.

Is throwing away the water they use in what they believe is the Mass in any place where there is earth or in pots and planters, instead of in a sacrarium, bad in any way?

Sigismund · « **Reply #1 on:** November 27, 2014, 08:11:20 PM »

The earth is the earth.

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** November 27, 2014, 08:20:04 PM »

Exactly. Just put the water on/in the earth somehow. You can dump it directly on the ground as well.

Malleus · « **Reply #3 on:** November 27, 2014, 08:39:31 PM »

Why did they build sacrariums to begin with then?

poche · « **Reply #4 on:** November 27, 2014, 10:18:53 PM »

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Why did they build sacrariums to begin with then?

They built sacrariums so that they could place holy water that they were finnished with in the ground and not through the sewer.

Miseremini · « **Reply #5 on:** November 27, 2014, 10:22:51 PM »

Sacrariums aren't necessarily for holy water they were for the water the priest dipped his fingers in after touching the Sacred Body of Our Lord

The sacrariums were built to not only to hold this liquid but also consecrated hosts that had been dropped. You wouldn't throw them on the ground where they could be desecrated

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poche · « **Reply #6 on:** November 27, 2014, 10:51:07 PM »

Quote from: Miseremini

Sacrariums aren't necessarily for holy water they were for the water the priest dipped his fingers in after touching the Sacred Body of Our Lord

The sacrariums were built to not only to hold this liquid but also consecrated hosts that had been dropped. You wouldn't throw them on the ground where they could be desecrated

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If a sacred host were dropped I would consume it. The sacred host should not be washed down the sacrarium.

Nadir · « **Reply #7 on:** November 28, 2014, 05:14:30 AM »

Quote from: Miseremini

Sacrariums aren't necessarily for holy water they were for the water the priest dipped his fingers in after touching the Sacred Body of Our Lord

The sacrariums were built to not only to hold this liquid but also consecrated hosts that had been dropped. You wouldn't throw them on the ground where they could be desecrated.

The water that the priest uses at the Lavabo is ordinary (not holy) water.
My understanding is that, after Communion, the priest does not dip his fingers but rather has the water poured over them into the chalice and then after rinsing around the chalice then consumes the contents. I could be wrong though.

I believe that Poche is right to say that Hosts that are dropped should be consumed.

Quasimodo · « **Reply #8 on:** November 28, 2014, 09:59:42 AM »

If a Host is coughed up it would be dissolved in water. The water would be poured down the sacrarium.

Miseremini · « **Reply #9 on:** November 28, 2014, 01:54:23 PM »

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Quote from: Miseremini
Sacrariums aren't necessarily for holy water they were for the water the priest dipped his fingers in after touching the Sacred Body of Our Lord

The sacrariums were built to not only to hold this liquid but also consecrated hosts that had been dropped. You wouldn't throw them on the ground where they could be desecrated

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S

If a sacred host were dropped I would consume it. The sacred host should not be washed down the sacrarium.

What would you do.....pick it up? Priests know what they are supposed to do in unusual circuмstances. Leave it to the priests to do what they are supposed to do. The sacrarium has specific purposes.. thankfully it is kept away from well intentioned laity.

Sigismund · « **Reply #10 on:** November 29, 2014, 10:16:38 PM »

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Why did they build sacrariums to begin with then?

Convenience, I expect. You don't have to go outside.

Sigismund · « **Reply #11 on:** November 29, 2014, 10:18:03 PM »

The other answers make perfect sense too.

Malleus · « **Reply #12 on:** November 30, 2014, 08:43:57 AM »

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Quote from: Malleus
Why did they build sacrariums to begin with then?

Convenience, I expect. You don't have to go outside.

Novus Ordos are all about convenience and making things shorter and easier, so I really don't think there's nothing to it. There must have been some traditional significance to it which they don't care about.

Throwing it anywhere outside just seems disrespectful, as if it were regular or dirty water.

Miseremini · « **Reply #13 on:** November 30, 2014, 01:08:22 PM »

From; The Ecclesiastical Dictionary 1900 A.D.

"Piscina (Sacrarium) In liturgy a term applied to a walled-up cavity of a certain depth, covered with a round or oval stone, which is pierced through the middle. THere should be at least one piscina in each church as a receptacle for the water that has served, either for baptism, or to cleanse the sacred vessels and linen. It is also used as a depositary for the ashes of altar ornaments and linens, and other blessed things which should be burned when they can no longer be used. The piscina also serves the purpose of receiving holy water taken from the holy water-basin or font, and, in general, for all articles used in the sacred service of divine worship, in order that they may not be exposed to profanation."

From : A Handbook for the Sacristan 1932 A.D.

"The Sacrarium. This is a basin used to wash and clean the chalice, ciborium or other sacred vessels, and also the small linens used in direct connection with the sacred vessels or certain ceremonies. Here it is also that the priest washes his hands after certain ceremonies. It has a drain pipe which connects with the ground, so that such water may flow into the earth"

Only the priest, deacon or acolyte should be using the sacrarium.

On March 19 2004 A.D. Pope JPII issued a stern directive which was to be implimented IMMEDIATELY of all things pertaining to the Eucharist and Chapter V item 119 & 120 deals with the priest prewashing the corporal etc before it is given to the women to be laundered. And it was promptly ignored as too traditional.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/docuмents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html

I don't believe sacrariums were built so much for convenience but for safety; keeping sacred things in close proximity to avoid abuses.

Dolores · « **Reply #14 on:** November 30, 2014, 01:44:02 PM »

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Throwing it anywhere outside just seems disrespectful, as if it were regular or dirty water.

Regular and dirty water typically go down the drain into a sewer. The whole purpose of a sacrarium is so that holy things avoid the sewer and return to the earth. I honestly cannot see how pouring things directly onto the earth (or burning them, which is also permitted) is any less respectful than pouring them down a drain which leads directly to the earth.