Author Topic: Sabbath versus Sunday (Read 2890 times)

Matto · « **on:** January 09, 2015, 06:26:41 PM »

I am interested in learning when and why the Church changed the custom of worshiping God and resting on the Sabbath (Saturday) to worshiping God and resting on Sunday. Hopefully those on this forum who know more than I can answer my question.

2Vermont · « **Reply #1 on:** January 09, 2015, 06:31:33 PM »

I thought the New Testament referred to the Lord's Day as Sunday.

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #2 on:** January 09, 2015, 07:16:09 PM »

Matto wrote: "... Hopefully those on this forum who know more than I... "

If I may suggest, reading and reading comprehension are rather valuable in overcoming ignorance.

Very few traditionalists became such without the extensive exercise of both disciplines.

I recommend them to you.

There really ought not be any reason you need to remain in your present condition, either.

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #3 on:** January 09, 2015, 07:20:39 PM »

Probably to move it from the Jєωιѕн Sabbath, which is Saturday.

Matto · « **Reply #4 on:** January 09, 2015, 07:30:52 PM »

Quote from: Anthony Benedict

Matto wrote: "... Hopefully those on this forum who know more than I... "

If I may suggest, reading and reading comprehension are rather valuable in overcoming ignorance.

Very few traditionalists became such without the extensive exercise of both disciplines.

I recommend them to you.

There really ought not be any reason you need to remain in your present condition, either.

So do you have an answer to my question or not?

:smoke-pot:

ggreg · « **Reply #5 on:** January 09, 2015, 07:45:04 PM »

What are Saturday and Sunday anyway? They are constructs not objective. Calendars have been fiddled with time and time again and days added or subtracted.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar_reform

The Sabbath is what it is declared to be.

Cantarella · « **Reply #6 on:** January 09, 2015, 07:47:10 PM »

Dear Mato,

This is a good question. The Church changed the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday because on Sunday Christ rose from the dead, and on Sunday the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles. This resurrection of Our Lord is what our whole Faith is based upon. It brought us new life and opened the gates of Heaven for us. It seems these chances took place officially in the early-to-mid-fourth century.

Nadir · « **Reply #7 on:** January 09, 2015, 08:16:11 PM »

Sunday took precedence immediately of Jesus' Resurrection. I hope this will help, Matto.

Gospel According to Saint John Chapter 20

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[18] Mary Magdalen cometh, and telleth the disciples: I have seen the Lord, and these things he said to me. [19] Now when it was late that same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples were gathered together, for fear of the Jєωs, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them: Peace be to you. [20] And when he had said this, he shewed them his hands and his side. The disciples therefore were glad, when they saw the Lord.

[21] He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. [22] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. [24] Now Thomas, one of the twelve, who is called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. [25] The other disciples therefore said to him: We have seen the Lord. But he said to them: Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.

[26] And after eight days again (i.e. the next Sunday) his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Jesus cometh, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said: Peace be to you. [27] Then he saith to Thomas: Put in thy finger hither, and see my hands; and bring hither thy hand, and put it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing. [28] Thomas answered, and said to him: My Lord, and my God. [29] Jesus saith to him: Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and have believed. [30] Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples, which are not written in this book.

Thurifer · « **Reply #8 on:** January 10, 2015, 08:25:04 AM »

That's right, Nadir. It did indeed happen immediately. This is not really necessary to add as your post sums it up, but I believe there is also something the Church Fathers reflect on which is that Sunday is also the first day of creation. The day when God said, "be light made".

Christ's Birth was also thought to occur on a Sunday, and according to Guuaranger, when Christmas falls on a Sunday it is considered to reflect the fullness of that great Feast within the Liturgical Year.

Having said that, I do kind of resent that this is even a question. I am not saying I am troubled by the OP. No, I am resentful that this even has to be brought up for debate due to certain weirdo Christian cults like the Seventh Day Adventists and other assorted Sola Scriptura types who put the Old Testament at a higher place than the New Testament. A lot of this happened because they recognize they have no authority and was meant to challenge Church authority as the world was beginning to embrace a type of Judiazation. These are the same kinds of people who will tell you that the Church got co-opted by Roman politicians and that is where it all went wrong.

This, according to them of course, was followed by 1100 years of "darkness" until the so called Reformation. But even Luther and Henry dared not challenge Sunday as the Lord's Day. But this is the nature of revolution. Eventually other sects have to find differences to justify things like the Second Community Church of the Last Brethren or other such nonsense. Coincidently, that approximate 1,000 year time period was the Golden time for the Church and the time period when the Jєωs were most under control.

2Vermont · « **Reply #9 on:** January 10, 2015, 08:32:31 AM »

Quote from: Anthony Benedict

Matto wrote: "... Hopefully those on this forum who know more than I... "

If I may suggest, reading and reading comprehension are rather valuable in overcoming ignorance.

Very few traditionalists became such without the extensive exercise of both disciplines.

I recommend them to you.

There really ought not be any reason you need to remain in your present condition, either.

Or Matto, you could start by asking others. :wink:

Matto · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2015, 12:34:48 PM »

Quote from: Thurifer

Having said that, I do kind of resent that this is even a question. I am not saying I am troubled by the OP. No, I am resentful that this even has to be brought up for debate due to certain weirdo Christian cults like the Seventh Day Adventists and other assorted Sola Scriptura types who put the Old Testament at a higher place than the New Testament.

The reason I asked my question was because I learned about traditional Catholics who decided to go back and celebrate the Jєωιѕн Sabbath instead of Sunday because they came to the conclusion that the Church did not have the authority to change it.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #11 on:** January 10, 2015, 12:37:59 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Thurifer
Having said that, I do kind of resent that this is even a question. I am not saying I am troubled by the OP. No, I am resentful that this even has to be brought up for debate due to certain weirdo Christian cults like the Seventh Day Adventists and other assorted Sola Scriptura types who put the Old Testament at a higher place than the New Testament.

The reason I asked my question was because I learned about traditional Catholics who decided to go back and celebrate the Jєωιѕн Sabbath instead of Sunday because they came to the conclusion that the Church did not have the authority to change it.

"traditional" Catholics? Really? Who are these?

Matto · « **Reply #12 on:** January 10, 2015, 12:38:51 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

"traditional" Catholics? Really? Who are these?

It was just one family. They support Fr. Pfeiffer, or at least they used to, though they do not get to Mass often.

clare · « **Reply #13 on:** January 10, 2015, 12:57:38 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Thurifer
Having said that, I do kind of resent that this is even a question. I am not saying I am troubled by the OP. No, I am resentful that this even has to be brought up for debate due to certain weirdo Christian cults like the Seventh Day Adventists and other assorted Sola Scriptura types who put the Old Testament at a higher place than the New Testament.

The reason I asked my question was because I learned about traditional Catholics who decided to go back and celebrate the Jєωιѕн Sabbath instead of Sunday because they came to the conclusion that the Church did not have the authority to change it.

"traditional" Catholics? Really? Who are these?

Sounds like Seventh Day Adventists.

2Vermont · « **Reply #14 on:** January 10, 2015, 01:06:35 PM »

Quote from: clare

Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Thurifer
Having said that, I do kind of resent that this is even a question. I am not saying I am troubled by the OP. No, I am resentful that this even has to be brought up for debate due to certain weirdo Christian cults like the Seventh Day Adventists and other assorted Sola Scriptura types who put the Old Testament at a higher place than the New Testament.

The reason I asked my question was because I learned about traditional Catholics who decided to go back and celebrate the Jєωιѕн Sabbath instead of Sunday because they came to the conclusion that the Church did not have the authority to change it.

"traditional" Catholics? Really? Who are these?

Sounds like Seventh Day Adventists.

Or more like "Jєωs for Jesus".