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« on: June 16, 2008, 03:44:39 PM »
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  • Perhaps Moscow is the "Third Rome" upholding the truth after Both Old and New Rome have succumbed to the pressures of Ecumenism.

    Russian Orthodox Reject Inter-Confessional Worship        
    2008-06-12  

    Moscow Patriarchate Confirms Intention to Refrain From Participation in Joint Services with Non-Orthodox

    Portal-credo.ru, 12 May 2008

    Once again it has been asserted in the Russian Orthodox church of the Moscow patriarchate that they do not consider it possible for Orthodox persons to perform divine services jointly with representatives of other Christian confessions.

    "We wish to affirm once again our intention to refrain from participation in joint worship with persons of other confessions," a worker in the Secretariat for Inter-Christian Relations of the Department of External Church Relations of the Moscow patriarchate, the priest Alexander Vasiutin, told the "Interfax-Religion" portal.

    He said that this matter has acquired new pertinence in the process of preparing for the XIII General Assembly of the Conference of European Churches which is scheduled for July 2009 in Lyons (France).

    The news agency's interlocutor, who also is a member of the assembly's organizing committee, noted that "the position of the Russian Orthodox church, unfortunately, does not always meet with understanding among representatives of other local Orthodox churches."

    As an example, Fr Alexander told how at a recent session of the organizing committee Metropolitan of Gaul Emmanuel (Constantinople patriarchate) responded to the suggestion of refraining from performing interconfessional worship at the assembly by saying that "the position of representatives of the Moscow patriarchate on this matter reminds one of the behavior of a man who has a wife but doesn't sleep with her."

    In addition, the representative of Constantinople posed the question, "why do representatives of the Moscow patriarchate always refuse to participate in joint worship with non-Orthodox, while Patriarch Alexis II of Moscow and all-Rus participated in joint worship with Catholic clergy in the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris when he was there?"

    "There is no need to repeat the information disseminated by many church and secular news media that in reality an Orthodox prayer service was conducted in the Paris Notre Dame cathedral at which representatives of the Roman Catholic church were merely present, including Archbishop of Paris André Vingt-Trois. But one cannot speak of any joint service or worship in this case," Fr Alexander stressed. (tr. by PDS, posted 6 June 2008)

    Source: http:www.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/
     

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    « Reply #1 on: June 16, 2008, 05:13:49 PM »
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    Perhaps Moscow is the "Third Rome" upholding the truth after Both Old and New Rome have succumbed to the pressures of Ecumenism.


    Except the Russian Orthodox are in schism...!

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    « Reply #2 on: June 17, 2008, 03:48:22 PM »
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    Perhaps Moscow is the "Third Rome" upholding the truth after Both Old and New Rome have succumbed to the pressures of Ecumenism.


    Except the Russian Orthodox are in schism...!


    In schism from whom, my dear? In schism from a Rome that no longer holds the faith of Pius XII? A Rome that in fact spurns and condemns even it's own previously held Roman doctrines such as the Syllabus of Errors, and the Primacy of the Pope. In schism from a Rome that no longer exists?

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    « Reply #3 on: June 18, 2008, 12:08:24 AM »
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  • The fact that the city of Rome is filled with apostates does not mean the so-called Orthodox are no longer in schism.
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    « Reply #4 on: June 19, 2008, 04:44:33 PM »
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    The fact that the city of Rome is filled with apostates does not mean the so-called Orthodox are no longer in schism.


    Where is your pope? Where is the "Vicar of Christ" now? Where is the "Traditional" Rome that SSPX and other Trads allways talk about.

    The fact is that "Traditional" Rome is dead. It has been conquered by Freemasonry, and is not coming back.

    I am done pretending to be in communion with an imaginary Rome that doesn't exist and a Roman Church that has lost it's visible unity.

    I am returning home to Holy Orthodoxy. I think the Traditional movement in the Roman Church is a good thing, because it can only help hasten the day of reconciliation between east and west. The Orthodox Church could never receive Novus Ordo  Rome into its communion.

    Hopefully the Greek Cathlics will soon wake up and realize just how wicked the Novus Ordo Church is that they are in communion with, and return home to their Holy Mother Church. The Greek Catholics in America are already loosing many vocations to Orthodoxy.  The Byzantine Catholic Church in America will be dead in a few years, only 7 vocations for the entire country!




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    « Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 05:15:42 AM »
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  • I guess the Protestants could claim that they are no longer heretics because some people reject the Holy Father and Rome!!

    The fact that sedevacantists refuse to believe that the Holy Father is the legitimate Pope does not give them license to dissent from Catholic teachings further than they already have done.

    Whatever you may believe about the current Pope has no bearing on the schism of the Orthodox church. The schisms go back to the 9th and 11th centuries.




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    « Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 06:50:48 AM »
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  • To know the things that Holy Mother Church had always taught from the beginning until Vatican II and then to believe that the new creation from 1969 is the real Church of Christ shows just how far the insidious and mortal sins of liberalism have taken root.
    This NewRome is without a doubt THE false church spoken of in the end time prophecies of hundreds of saints in thousands of prophecies. But, I fully expect to be told how wrong I am that we do not need to believe the saints, but should believe these modern "Popes" who spend their days pushing heresy in every form.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 01:28:37 PM »
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    The fact is that "Traditional" Rome is dead. It has been conquered by Freemasonry, and is not coming back.


    The Christ is LIAR.  Nonsense.

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    I am returning home to Holy Orthodoxy.


    As so-called Orthodoxy is not God's Church, there is NOTHING holy about it.  Just because they stole the goods of God when they left the house of God means NOTHING.

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    I think the Traditional movement in the Roman Church is a good thing, because it can only help hasten the day of reconciliation between east and west.


    As Rome has been "conquered", and is not coming back, this entire statement is NONSENSE.  If there is no one with whom the East can reconcile, it is ABSURD to speak of such a reconciliation being hastened.

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    The Orthodox Church could never receive Novus Ordo  Rome into its communion.


    Agreed.  However, you clearly see the entire process from the wrong end.  It is the so-called Orthodox that need to return to the bosom of Holy Church; NOT the other way around.  So-called Orthodoxy is the erring child.

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    Hopefully the Greek Cathlics will soon wake up and realize just how wicked the Novus Ordo Church is that they are in communion with, and return home to their Holy Mother Church.


    The so-called Orthodox Church is as much of a faithless harlot as the Novus Ordo religion - it is no one's holy mother.  It might wear different make up and clothes than the Novus, but it is a harlot all the same.  Wearing jewels stolen from the house of your Holy Mother cannot change the fact of infidelity.
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    « Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 01:30:36 PM »
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  • Please read "Then Christ is a LIAR."
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    « Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 02:33:59 PM »
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    Please read "Then Christ is a LIAR."

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    « Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 02:40:10 PM »
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    Please read "Then Christ is a LIAR."


    No, ROME is the liar!

    However, I suppose that you will  just go ahead and continue to believe in a Church that doesn't exist anymore.  Where is "Traditional" ROME? Not SSPX, but "Traditioanal" ROME. Its gone for good.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 04:01:00 PM »
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  • I have to take exception, with all due respect, to the formula that the Orthodox are as bad as the Novus Ordo.

    The Novus Ordo church subjects the person of Jesus Christ to unspeakable indignities and outrages and its whole Creed and Gospel is ordered to justifying doing so.

    The Novus Ordo church teaches children that "gay people are people of the same sex who love one another."

    IN many ways the spiritual and moral level of Ancient Pagan Rome was higher than that of the Novus Ordo church. I think that even on the level of natural religion and natural justice we must reserve Strumpet talk for what passes for the Roman Catholic Church. The Novus Ordo is the absolute pits of all human experience in iniquity.

    Just on a natural level, the Orthodox deserve some reward, should be accorded some preferential distinction, for its still being unthinkable that a metropolitan should display icons in his cathedral that would have turned the stomach of the most cynical and antireligious pornographer.

    But I'm thinking of many passages in the Old Testament in which the Lord of Hosts rages against those who take the occasion of His chastisement of His people to suggest that they were never His people or that their own former conflicts with them can now be seen in a better light.

    Some good questions are being asked here. It is hard to argue with the dictum, "Traditional Rome is dead!" Traditional Catholics say all the time that the Church is in the tomb, just as Christ was in the tomb... Why argue when someone who doesn't expect a resurrection says the same?

    I still believe that the Institution known as the Catholic Church of Rome stands in memory as the Church of Christ, with all the Marks. In spite of what happened with Vatican II, our souls can and should gravitate somehow to Eternal Rome, to the Papacy. To Pius X, for one...
     



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    « Reply #12 on: June 20, 2008, 10:49:25 PM »
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  • My point, Cletus, is that outside is outside.   Extra ecclesiam, NULLA salus.  Yes, the so-called Orthodox can, due to certain circumstances, be corporately re-vivified.  It is true that this is not the case with Lutherans, etc.  However, in 1000+ years, their hardened hearts have not softened, nor have they seen the light.  Their leaders are just as much Masons, etc., as the men in the Novus, and have been for centuries.  I realize there are no "guitar masses", etc., but offering the unspotted Lamb without permission - for 1000 years straight - is not exactly something for which one should be praised.

    Hell is hell, and those who are there for eternity will not quibble about whether they were naturally decent or libertines in the extreme.
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    « Reply #13 on: June 21, 2008, 12:36:26 AM »
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    The Novus Ordo church teaches children that "gay people are people of the same sex who love one another."
     


    The Novus Ordo Church teaches that homosexuality is a sin. It is only certain liberal and dissident clergy/religious/lay Catholics who are teaching that there gay people are doing nothing wrong but loving each other.

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    « Reply #14 on: June 21, 2008, 06:52:54 AM »
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  • Well now, that too is not the case anymore. Benidict has a new "soft on sodomy" policy and one of the heralds of this news is an American "Bishop" who "apologized" to homosexuals and lesbians, quoting Benidict XVI on his recent tour of America. Honestly, did you see all of the facilitators and participants in the current child rape scandal present in the front rows smirking as Bendict gave his feeble slap to them???? For that matter Francis George an enabler of Chicago sat right next to the Pontiff. And, Francis has spoken many times on my local Chicago stations and never mentioned anything about a tougher stance towards gays.


    If you study prophecy you will know that it APPEARS that the Catholic Church is no longer there, but we are not to despair as after all of the chastisement it will be brought back more glorious than ever. Holy Mother Church is going through her passion at the hands of the modernists who are savaging her much like the revolutionaries of France when the pillaged the Churches and installed whores on the altars.

     

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