Author Topic: Russian Patriarch upholds Orthodoxy (Read 1902 times)

Cletus · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2008, 09:01:16 AM »

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The Novus Ordo church teaches children that "gαy people are people of the same sex who love one another."

The Novus Ordo Church teaches that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is a sin. It is only certain liberal and dissident clergy/religious/lay Catholics who are teaching that there gαy people are doing nothing wrong but loving each other.

The Novus Ordo church teaches exactly what I said it teaches. Such statements are found in catechetical materials used all over the globe and Rome has declared that there is nothing opposed to Faith and Morals in them.

Cardinal Josef Ratzinger was a chief villain in this area.

You added another element that, true, reflects the general Magisterium of the Novus Ordo church's as it actually reaches the minds and souls of Christ's flock and not what Rome is keeping on the books for the time being.

The Vatican II Abomination of Desolation is not something you can slough off with endless arbitrary and artificial deconstructions of what Roman Catholic reality was all about.
The American Catholic Novus Ordo church is officially dedicated to corrupting the faith and morals of children in ways that still horrify the better class of Masons and Jєωs and Mafia hit men. It has the official blessing of Rome in so doing.

"Not the Novus Ordo hurch, just some dissidents..."

This is what's called nominalism, and we must pray to St Thomas for the wisdom the fight against it.

Cletus · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2008, 12:32:28 PM »

There are different degrees of suffering in hell just as there are different degrees of beatitude in heaven.

Here on earth the idea of the former might seem comfort so cold as to be fatuous (Hell is hell is hell), but I do think that it's important to keep in mind such details, peculiar to True Catholic Tradition.

Granted, out is out. But there's out and then there's like FAR OUT.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #17 on:** June 21, 2008, 01:17:21 PM »

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There are different degrees of suffering in hell just as there are different degrees of beatitude in heaven.

I am, as you ought to know, well aware of this truth. It does not change the fact that people will not quibble with each other about how they arrived in their eternal state.

I understand that there is out and far out, but the difference is only one of degree, not kind. The so-called Orthodox are outside, and that is reality. Our fellow does not seem to grasp said reality.

Cletus · « **Reply #18 on:** June 21, 2008, 04:15:34 PM »

I'm more concerned about appropriate quibbling on this side of the veil about the ins and outs of the spiritual horrors that fill alll our lives.

You should be subject to Rome and the Vicar of Christ, just like the Little Flower. Then you will have a sweet little Catholic life you won't have if you commune with schismatics.

There should BE a Vicar of Christ to whom to be subject.

There should be a Vicar of Christ to whom to be subject who is not doing a pretty darned convincing imitation of Antichrist.

There should be a Vicar of Christ with whom his loyal Traditional children agree on matters of faith and morals more than occassionally.

Something catastrophic happened back there in the early 60s. Stars falling from heaven, the sun not giving its light, the whole spiritual order in apparent chaos.

All things considered, in the context of this discussion, I think that it is best to put the new church of Rome in a class of its own as far as "whore" churches go.

The important points made above are that nothing that happened later in Rome changes the fact that they were terribly wrong who broke off with her when Rome meant the Church pure and simple.

But then there's a temptation to despair. "Ah, WHat did union with Rome lead to anyway?"

Then, merely natural and national passions and prejudices take over and the spirit of faith and perseverance in faith is lost.

There are terrible words in Scripture about people who say, "What profit is it to follow the way of the Lord?"

And we all know that until the time of John XXIII Rome showed forth the way of the Lord. (Even Pope Pius XII, as I recently attempted to demonstrate.)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #19 on:** June 21, 2008, 06:27:43 PM »

Agreed. I pray you are well. God speed.