What is Bishop Fellay's position on the New Mass? I wish he would make a public statement on this issue, which would help some of us make up our minds as to what to do in the event of a Rome-SSPX deal.

He says it is best not to attend the NO.

The SSPX using the 1962 missal is also a factor to be considered.

I'm not crazy about the 1962 Missal, but using it would not invalidate a Mass.

I see two possibilities here:

1.) Levada and Fellay in their two hour discussion already came to a verbal agreement the Society could accept. The Pope wants to look hardline to appease the leftists so he has Levada issue the "ultimatum" and libs are happy. Notice the deadline is on Divine Mercy Sunday in the NO. In an act of "mercy" BXVI will accept Fellay's clarification.

Thoughts? Naive on Pope's part. Libs will still raise Hell no matter what. PR nightmare for Conciliar Church. Some extremist libs will leave Church. If Fellay accepts, BXVI will pull a fast one and probably announce the next step in JPII's canonization on the same day of Society's regularization to appease the left and reinforce the idea that both JPII and the Society are Catholic in some Hegelian mind meld.

2.) Rome is serious. It's either accept their liberal re-formatting of all Catholic thought or you're done. No room for Traditional conception of Tradition, ecclesiology, etc. from SSPX (even though Prof. Giardhini, Bishop Schneider share the Society's view and are still in "full communion.") SSPX refuses. SSPX is declared schismatic, excommunicated. All laity is warned they are excommunicated if they assist at an SSPX Mass.

Thoughts? Game on. Battle lines drawn. Clear choice. Time to choose. If JPII is eventually canonized, Fellay may recognize the fact that BXVI is a formal heretic, reach out to sede world and any Novus Trads who are willing, to elect a new Pope.

Conciliar church will eventually shrink, die off and disintegrate. More and more conservative Conciliarites will see the Society (or real Catholic Church at that point) growing and thriving and defect from Conciliar Rome. Conciliar Rome will be left with more and more libs and go completely off the rails.

I see 'Dumb Ox' has posted the following on the Ignis Ardens internet forum. I can't get to a SSPX chapel anymore though a man who attends the SSPX said it would be ok for me to attend a Mass organised by Institute Christ the King.

I'm not a cleric or third order member so no longer going to interest myself in the politics of the SSPX or the direction Bishop Fellay wishes to take the priestly society founded by Archbishop Lefebvre.

I am rather cynical of the SSPX leadership. I'm not having fallings out with people I haven't met (i.e. Clare on Ignis Ardens) over Bishop Fellay.

This is a matter for the Holy Ghost. I only expressed opinions though am no fan of Bishop Bernard Fellay.


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Vatican Insider
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/homep...ebvrians-13554/
16th March 2012
Andrea Tornielli
Rome


THE HOLY SEE GIVES THE LEFEBVRIANS ONE MORE MONTH TO DECIDE

A letter has been delivered to Lefebvrian leader, Fellay, saying that the Pope wants to “avoid a rupture within the Church which would have painful and incalculable consequences.” But the Society must accept the doctrinal preamble.

The Lefebvrians have one month to make their final decision on returning to full communion with the Holy See. This morning at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, prefect Cardinal William Levada delivered a letter containing the Vatican’s response into the hands of Bishop Bernard Fellay. The letter reiterates the request to accept the doctrinal preamble - the text that the Holy See views as an absolutely necessary basis for the regularization of the Society of St. Pius X.

As you may recall, the preamble was delivered to Fellay last September. In essence, the text asks the LeFebvrians to sign the “profession of faith” that anyone who takes an ecclesiastical office must sign, and therefore indicate their adherence to the teachings of the magisterium in matters of faith and morals. Regarding the Second Vatican Council - the real sticking point in relations with the LeFebvrians - the Society has also been asked to interpret its teachings according to the hermeneutic proposed by Benedict XVI, in continuity with tradition.

“The response from the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X on the doctrinal preamble,” reads the statement issued today by the Vatican Press Office, “received in January 2012, was submitted to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith” - and to the judgment of the Pope. “In accordance with the decision of Pope Benedict XVI,” the note continues, “the evaluation of the response was communicated through a letter delivered to Mons. Fellay today.” This statement is followed by some very clear words that, for the first time, float the possibility that if the return does not take place, the Church will be headed toward a true schism.

Indeed, the letter suggests that Fellay’s position “is not sufficient to overcome the doctrinal problems underlying the fracture between the Holy See and the Society. At the end of today’s meeting, motivated by the desire to avoid a rupture within the Church and its painful and incalculable consequences, the Superior General of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X was invited to clarify his position in order to heal the existing fracture, as called for by Pope Benedict XVI.”

In the two responses, sent in December and in January respectively, Fellay did not sign the preamble, giving the LeFebvrians more time without closing the door to dialogue with Rome. But now the Pope and Cardinal Levada want clarity. The tone of the Vatican’s letter was determined by the written response sent by the Lefebvrian superior. During this morning’s meeting, however, he appeared more conciliatory, and in a private conversation that took place in the palace of the former Holy Office, he said he had “no difficulty in accepting the profession of faith,” and also claimed to have no difficulties with the principles expressed in the preamble: the problem, Fellay said, was not the principles, but their application - namely, the fact that the Church today lacks fidelity to the Magisterium.

The dialogue has thus continued uninterrupted - the door remains open, and the possibility of a return still exists. We will know immediately after Easter if Fellay and the Society of St. Pius X have decided to accept the preamble or not. If the answer is no, the Holy See will acknowledge that the LeFebvrians do not intend to accept these fundamental and basic criteria, and will therefore fall out of Catholic communion, with “painful and incalculable consequences.” The position of the superior of the Fraternity is clear: the problem is not just the text proposed by the Vatican, but also and primarily the polarized positions within the traditionalist group itself. Approximately one-half of the Fraternity would like to return into full communion with Rome - they experience the current disconnect with pain. But the other half is willing to say “yes” only if “Rome converts,” that is, if it adopts the Lefebvrian position.

Directly upon becoming pope, Benedict XVI did everything possible to heal the wound that was opened after the illegitimate episcopal ordinations celebrated by Lefebvre in 1988, and the subsequent excommunication. The Pope liberalized the ancient Mass (as Fellay had requested) and in January 2009, he reversed the excommunications of four LeFebvrian bishops, then initiated the doctrinal dialogues that concluded with the delivery of the preamble.

"During this morning’s meeting, however, he appeared more conciliatory, and in a private conversation that took place in the palace of the former Holy Office, he said he had “no difficulty in accepting the profession of faith,” and also claimed to have no difficulties with the principles expressed in the preamble: the problem, Fellay said, was not the principles, but their application - namely, the fact that the Church today lacks fidelity to the Magisterium."

The allegation made by Tornielli, quoted above, is extremely serious. If the allegation is not true one would expect that Bishop Fellay will issue a statement through DICI that denies the allegation and that exposes and condemns Tornielli and Vatican Insider for inventing and spreading malicious lies about him.

Whatever will happen, will happen by the hands of God, through Our Lady, in my opinion.

Agreed. The SSPX is finished if they compromise.

...and what then?

Revelation and the Blessed Mother have already told us what then. There will be the abomination of desolation, the Mass will cease, and we will have the Rosary.

There is no doubt Bp. F wants to move the Society closer to Rome and lose some of the aspects of being isolated from the mainstream. Whether this is to do with funding or having sight of the progress within Ecclesia Dei is open to speculation. The discarding of doctrinal considerations would be a great gamble for him but he has displayed a friendly face with regard to the media and what they represent. There are going to be gains and loses for the Society in terms of priests and laity coming and going whatever happens. Corsica was the start.

Quote from: Diego

Quote from: Maizar

...and what then?

Revelation and the Blessed Mother have already told us what then. There will be the abomination of desolation, the Mass will cease, and we will have the Rosary.

Yes, but it might be worth owning a copy of the Divine Office if you don't already have one.

A worthy suggestion. Thank you.