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Offline theresao1965

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  • QUESTION:  Is not the role of the priest to offer guidance and counsel to people who ask it of him?  Not take away free will, but merely offer tools and opportunities to make better choices in regards to matters of temptation and the like. Allow me to explain...

    Recently, I was chastised, by a member of my family, for outwardly seeking spiritual guidance from my parish pastor/assistant pastors, when I was strongly tempted in regards to matters of doubt regarding my traditional faith. (I feel I owe these priests a debt of gratitude for continued prayers, time and counsel that has in many ways spared me from falling from the traditional Catholicism, to which I was born, raise, and have remained over the years.) I must note these priests never took away my free will to pursue anything else; the priests offered me the opportunities and tools to make better choices. Never once did I feel they were telling me anything against the true Church of Christ.  Choosing to cooperate with the graces and opportunities these priest afforded me also played a part.  As the Apostle Paul notes in 1 Corinthians 15:10: "But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect." However, such guidance and counsel received, in my family member's opinion, does not lead to independent thinking, which is supposedly encouraged.  This is a new concept to me, one that I do not understand. Any respectful explanation will be helpful.
    "Listen, put it into your heart, my youngest and dearest son, that the thing that disturbs you, the thing that afflicts you, is nothing. Do not let your countenance, your heart be disturbed. Am I not here, I, who am your Mother? Are you not under my shado

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    « Reply #1 on: January 28, 2016, 09:00:41 AM »
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    QUESTION:  Is not the role of the priest to offer guidance and counsel to people who ask it of him?  Not take away free will, but merely offer tools and opportunities to make better choices in regards to matters of temptation and the like. Allow me to explain...

    Recently, I was chastised, by a member of my family, for outwardly seeking spiritual guidance from my parish pastor/assistant pastors, when I was strongly tempted in regards to matters of doubt regarding my traditional faith. (I feel I owe these priests a debt of gratitude for continued prayers, time and counsel that has in many ways spared me from falling from the traditional Catholicism, to which I was born, raise, and have remained over the years.) I must note these priests never took away my free will to pursue anything else; the priests offered me the opportunities and tools to make better choices. Never once did I feel they were telling me anything against the true Church of Christ.  Choosing to cooperate with the graces and opportunities these priest afforded me also played a part.  As the Apostle Paul notes in 1 Corinthians 15:10: "But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect." However, such guidance and counsel received, in my family member's opinion, does not lead to independent thinking, which is supposedly encouraged.  This is a new concept to me, one that I do not understand. Any respectful explanation will be helpful.


    Has your family never sought the counsel of an expert in a particular field?  A lawyer, accountant, college professor, parents (on parenting), the married (on marriage), a mechanic, physician, dentist...well, you see the point.

    It is ridiculous to suggest that a Catholic, when having questions about the Catholic Faith, wouldn't consult a Catholic priest.

    It really is absurd to think otherwise. Are your family members Catholic?


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    « Reply #2 on: January 28, 2016, 09:08:20 AM »
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  • Of course they don't take away your free will.  Not even the devil can do it, and God will not do it.  So why would a priest take away your free will?  They have both graces of state and education to help people resolve various issues in their lives.  That is what they are there for and what they are ordained for.  God didn't make them priests for their own glory but in order to serve the faithful.  These family members of yours simply decided that your position could not POSSIBLY be due to your having reasonable come to those conclusions; therefore, it MUST be that someone browbeat you into it.  That's common in every area of life.  If someone adopts a position that you absolutely refuse to entertain, then it must be because they're insane, have been programmed into a cult, or otherwise coerced into accepting it.  In their biased closed minds, it simply cannot be anything else.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 28, 2016, 10:20:05 AM »
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  • Oddly enough, Ladislaus, according to my family member, to seek counsel and follow the advise of a priest or a religious counselor is to take away ones independent thought process to think for yourself, which surrenders one's free will to a human being.
    Yes, JPM, all my family members are Catholics, "cradle catholics" if you will. Yes, many times seeking guidance from others, non clergy/religious, has been sought to seek the input of those more learned than I.  I do believe that lay people are bound in conscience to be learned on the faith, although not perhaps to the level of a priest/clergy.  
    Unfortunately, one of my family members, the one who is making the above mentioned claims, is a younger sibling, deeply hurt by a very troubled past in the catholic schools we attended.  He has found a niche with a very small group of Catholics in the area. He, certainly, is not coming up with this claim on his own, and has his own sources for such information. Basic facts as I know them: They at one time claimed Traditional Catholicism, yet do not define themselves currently as Traditional Catholics, which is not surprising all things considered (long story to their history!). They still remain Latin Rite Catholics, by definition. They have advised my sibling that (Literally!) all other Catholic/traditional Catholic churches in the area/around the world are heretical and they are the last true Church of Christ.  Their pastor has been rehabbing for the past 2 years in a nursing facility, due to extreme poor health, and unable to offer Masses or the sacraments on a regular basis. My sibling is in continued contact with the religious nuns associated  with this small faction. Free/independent/personal thinking, without seeking counsel, is their current mantra.  Will I continue to seek advise from others, religious, or otherwise? ABSOLUTELY! Without a doubt.  
    "Listen, put it into your heart, my youngest and dearest son, that the thing that disturbs you, the thing that afflicts you, is nothing. Do not let your countenance, your heart be disturbed. Am I not here, I, who am your Mother? Are you not under my shado

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    « Reply #4 on: January 28, 2016, 03:11:25 PM »
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  • So, he's not suggesting that you don't consult a Catholic priest, but rather that you consult a different Catholic priest?
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...


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    « Reply #5 on: January 28, 2016, 04:45:20 PM »
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  • RE: he's not suggesting that you don't consult a Catholic priest, but rather that you consult a different Catholic priest?
    My sibling is suggesting that I only listen to the inner voices in my head, go with my gut, whatever my impulses tell me to do and not to seek the advice from any human being, esp. that of a priest/clergy.
    "Listen, put it into your heart, my youngest and dearest son, that the thing that disturbs you, the thing that afflicts you, is nothing. Do not let your countenance, your heart be disturbed. Am I not here, I, who am your Mother? Are you not under my shado

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    « Reply #6 on: January 28, 2016, 05:39:57 PM »
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  • sounds like a charismatic or Protestant

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    « Reply #7 on: January 28, 2016, 06:12:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: theresao1965

    My sibling is suggesting that I only listen to the inner voices in my head, go with my gut, whatever my impulses tell me to do


    I have to say that may be an expressway to heresy, sin and ultimately demonic influence.

    Very common in Protestant circles, charismatics in particular.

    They often claim to be guided by a Spirit, which they wrongly identify as the Holy Spirit, but is obviously some demon or another leading them astray.

    Compare that to the Catholic practice of caution, and deferring to Church authority even in the case of an actual manifest Apparition.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 28, 2016, 09:48:12 PM »
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  • Sounds like modernism that St. Pope Pius X explained.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 29, 2016, 08:27:06 AM »
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    My sibling is suggesting that I should...not seek the advice from any human being...


    In that case, let your sibling know that you agree and won't be taking his/her advice.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 29, 2016, 09:00:17 AM »
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  • The curious part of this and all that comes out of this sibling's mouth in my general direction--it is a regurgitation of guided personal and spiritual information received from'his peeps', from whom HE regularly seeks such personal and spiritual guidance. For some reason, 'his peeps' can be sought for his personal and spiritual guidance, but I am not supposed to do so on my behalf.  In their opinion, I am no longer Catholic, based on my defiance in seeking counsel from a source that they violently disapprove of.  I do not seek any kind of guidance from my sibling's peeps, because they are the root of my initial problem (long story!).  It is increasing more difficult to take any of what he says on the matter seriously, to be honest.
    The input from everyone on this topic has been most helpful!  God Bless and a personal thank you all..
    "Listen, put it into your heart, my youngest and dearest son, that the thing that disturbs you, the thing that afflicts you, is nothing. Do not let your countenance, your heart be disturbed. Am I not here, I, who am your Mother? Are you not under my shado


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    « Reply #11 on: January 30, 2016, 03:58:40 PM »
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  • Sounds like the "peeps" got some indoctrinization, from college?

    I knew of a woman, who had 6 children and she referred to them as heathens.  She donated $65,000 to a traditional church and her children took it to the local newspaper.  Then it was said, that their mother gave to an occultish and schismatic group, which was not true.  An independent traditional.  She was in her right mind.
    The priest told his parishioners once, that he came from a family of 13 and his parents gave all inheritants to their catholic church so that there would be no fighting amongst the children.

    It is so sad. But the bible says that we can expect it.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 30, 2016, 07:12:13 PM »
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  • My sibling's 'peeps' are religious nuns and a priest, who had been in a fundamentalist cult like religious house/situation prior to the 1990s.  They individually were asked to leave for certain highly dubious behaviors.  They entered religious life right outta high school, in each case.  They have upped their stakes, in desperation, by (literally) becoming Jim Jones (from the 1970s) like, which allows them to manipulate followers, through dysfunctional manipulation bent on increasing their own power, esp within the group. They use the unquestioning devotion of followers to increase their dependence on the leaders, isolating them from anyone outside, including family--family relationships are sick and need to be broken down or taken away...all the typical signs one would expect, I suppose of people with a difficult past.
    When my brother goes to visit them, I warn him "Don't drink the kool-aid!"
    "Listen, put it into your heart, my youngest and dearest son, that the thing that disturbs you, the thing that afflicts you, is nothing. Do not let your countenance, your heart be disturbed. Am I not here, I, who am your Mother? Are you not under my shado

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    « Reply #13 on: January 30, 2016, 11:33:56 PM »
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  • Giving spiritual guidance is one of the duties of the parish priest.

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    « Reply #14 on: January 31, 2016, 05:00:36 PM »
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  • My husband had a cousin who went to the "Pink Palace" in Indiana in the late 60's and left and was of the B'Faith.

    Then a cousin went to convent and studied to the point of medical doc. And the day to take her final vow, she said no and married a was to be priest who also said no on his final day.  They had one child.  Then this cousin, she was known all over the world in poor regions bringing contraceptives and promoting the Planned Parenthood agenda. She show off all her travels and photo albums and that is how we found out about that side of her. They were of the same time era.

    Very sad.

     

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