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Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: John Grace on September 06, 2013, 08:36:54 AM
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/hitlers-bodyguard-misch-dies-at-96-29558173.html
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Hitler's bodyguard Misch dies at 96

6 SEPTEMBER 2013

Rochus Misch, who served as Adolf Hitler's devoted bodyguard for most of the Second World War and was the last remaining witness to the nαzι leader's final hours in his Berlin bunker, has died at the age of 96.

Misch died in Berlin after a short illness, according to Burkhard Nachtigall, who helped him write his 2008 memoir.

Misch remained proud to the end about his years with Hitler, whom he affectionately called "boss". In a 2005 interview he recalled Hitler as "a very normal man" and gave a riveting account of the German dictator's last days before he and his wife Eva Braun killed themselves as the Soviet Red Army closed in around their bunker in Berlin.

"He was no brute. He was no monster. He was no superman," Misch said.

Born on July 29, 1917, in the tiny Silesian town of Alt Schalkowitz, in what today is Poland, Misch was orphaned at an early age. At 20, he decided to join the SS - an organisation he saw as a counterweight to a rising threat from the left. He signed up for the Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler, a unit founded to serve as Hitler's personal protection.

"It was anti-communist, against Stalin - to protect Europe," Misch said. "I signed up in the war against Bolshevism, not for Adolf Hitler."

Misch was shot and nearly killed serving with the SS in Poland, and was sent to Germany to recover. There, he was chosen in May 1940 as one of two SS men who would serve as Hitler's bodyguards and general assistants, doing everything from answering the telephones to greeting dignitaries.

Misch and comrade Johannes Hentschel accompanied Hitler almost everywhere he went - including his Alpine retreat in Berchtesgaden and his forward "Wolf's Lair" headquarters.

He lived between the Fuhrer's apartments in the New Reich Chancellery and the home in a working-class Berlin neighbourhood that he kept until his death.

"He was a wonderful boss," Misch said. "I lived with him for five years. We were the closest people who worked with him ... we were always there. Hitler was never without us day and night."

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Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Zeitun on September 06, 2013, 10:26:38 AM
Sounds like this fellow entered Eternity without remorse??? :confused1:
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: John Grace on September 06, 2013, 10:58:41 AM
Quote from: Zeitun
Sounds like this fellow entered Eternity without remorse??? :confused1:


A disgraceful comment. Remorse about what? Pray for the repose of his soul. Regarding "the boss" he spoke the truth about him.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: John Grace on September 06, 2013, 11:08:50 AM
Quote from: Zeitun
Sounds like this fellow entered Eternity without remorse??? :confused1:


Are you against those who fought against Bolshevism?
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: JPaul on September 06, 2013, 11:25:04 AM
Quote from: Zeitun
Sounds like this fellow entered Eternity without remorse??? :confused1:


He is now out of the grasp of the so called "remorse" that Jєωry would have it to be imposed upon him.
Gone from the clutches of the soul murderers. Even his "boss" could not stop them.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: StCeciliasGirl on September 06, 2013, 11:32:54 AM
I love when someone doesn't go all politically correct about historical events and people. I don't want to hear a "cleaned up" version of events as told by some committee; I'd far prefer to hear a truthful, unedited version.

I can't imagine what it must have been like to live during either the French Revolution or the Bolshevik Revolution. I've read more about the former, since schools hardly teach anything about the Russian Revolution (or if they do, it's from a Marxist perspective and they make it sound reasonable). But those Russian slaughterers garnered plenty of attention from the rest of Europe before WW2; I can see why anyone would be at least a bit uncomfortable living beside the revolutionaries in Russia.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Hatchc on September 06, 2013, 12:07:04 PM
Zeitun is a nut.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Cuthbert on September 06, 2013, 03:26:46 PM
Requiescat in Pace, farewell to another valiant soldier amongst a generation of heroes who fought World Jєωry & their bolshevist stooges with all their might. I don't care what anyone says, Europe & the world would be a good deal better off today if the Axis had won. As John Grace said, Herr Rosch spoke the truth.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Spork on September 06, 2013, 06:15:49 PM
Quote from: Cuthbert
Requiescat in Pace, farewell to another valiant soldier amongst a generation of heroes who fought World Jєωry & their bolshevist stooges with all their might. I don't care what anyone says, Europe & the world would be a good deal better off today if the Axis had won. As John Grace said, Herr Rosch spoke the truth.


The answer to Bolshevism is not National Socialism. It is Catholicism. Of which Hitlers Germany was not.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Cuthbert on September 06, 2013, 07:51:42 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Well Spork, most of the Axis countries were Catholic, a good deal of southern & western Germany, Austria, Hungary, Italy, Slovakia & Croatia among others. General Franco allowed 50,000 Spaniards to enlist in the SS as the Blue Division, or Division 250, they won numerous commendations for bravery on the eastern front. Dr. Salazar in Portugal was sympathetic as well. Mussolini made the Catholic Faith the state religion in Italy & treated the Church much better than the Masonic governments that went before him, & that came after the glorious Jєωιѕн, I mean allied victory. I don't claim that Hitler kept the Faith, but an Axis victory would have resulted in the breaking of the stranglehold of the twin servants of World Jєωry, the Soviet Union & the Anglo-American Empire. I've read somewhere that even Pius XII, towards the end of his life, wondered if he had supported the right side.                                
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Cuthbert on September 06, 2013, 08:13:58 PM
I see re-reading my earlier post that I, for whatever reason tried to combine Herr Misch's Christian name with his surname, calling him Rosch. Sorry about that.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Zeitun on September 06, 2013, 09:04:47 PM
Just curious......how many Catholics were murdered by nαzιs? Hundred? Thousands?


And who funded that benevolent leader Hitler? Did I hear you say "Rothschilds"?



Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: poche on September 06, 2013, 09:31:05 PM
May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Novus Weirdo on September 06, 2013, 09:48:07 PM
Quote from: Cuthbert
Requiescat in Pace, farewell to another valiant soldier amongst a generation of heroes who fought World Jєωry & their bolshevist stooges with all their might. I don't care what anyone says, Europe & the world would be a good deal better off today if the Axis had won. As John Grace said, Herr Rosch spoke the truth.


 :applause: for an utterly asinine post.  I defy you to go to any VFW Hall in the US or in Europe as say that.  Yeah, Europe, the World, would be better off under the domain of an occultist/Anti-Christ.

Burn in hell, Herr Rosch.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Cuthbert on September 06, 2013, 09:53:14 PM
Quite a lot of malice in you boy, it's a mortal sin to wish damnation on one's worst enemy let alone someone one doesn't even know. He was more of a man than you'll ever be punk.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Novus Weirdo on September 06, 2013, 09:57:42 PM
Quote from: Cuthbert
Quite a lot of malice in you boy, it's a mortal sin to wish damnation on one's worst enemy let alone someone one doesn't even know. He was more of a man than you'll ever be punk.


Well, I can go to confession and seek forgiveness.  That nαzι cannot.  There is nothing admirable about an old man who was unrepentant to the end of his involvement with evil.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Zeitun on September 06, 2013, 10:03:29 PM
Hitler is in Hell.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Cuthbert on September 06, 2013, 10:07:44 PM
No one says that Hitler was a shining example of sanctity, but neither was he as black as the Jєωs paint him. I take the vile insults back & will confess them, I should have calmed down before typing, but the thought of gleefully wishing that a man should burn eternally with all the devils was too much. As for me being asinine, I guess that's probably true often enough, as with the unnecessary insults. No denigration of Allied soldiers was intended. If only they could have known what was really going on, the plan of World Jєωry, they never would have fought their European brothers, instead they would have taken action against the real tyrants, the international Jєωs who take such delight in seeing the goyim killing one another.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Zeitun on September 06, 2013, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: Cuthbert
No one says that Hitler was a shining example of sanctity, but neither was he as black as the Jєωs paint him. I take the vile insults back & will confess them, I should have calmed down before typing, but the thought of gleefully wishing that a man should burn eternally with all the devils was too much. As for me being asinine, I guess that's probably true often enough, as with the unnecessary insults. No denigration of Allied soldiers was intended. If only they could have known what was really going on, the plan of World Jєωry, they never would have fought their European brothers, instead they would have taken action against the real tyrants, the international Jєωs who take such delight in seeing the goyim killing one another.


He was as black as Truth paints him.  He and his minions had a policy to destroy the Catholic Church which included murdering Catholics.  That's a fact of history that you cannot explain away.  

And his bodyguard is as guilty as he is if he didn't repent.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Cuthbert on September 06, 2013, 10:46:07 PM
Zeitun, almost all of the Axis countries were Catholic, as I wrote before, Mussolini even made the Catholic Faith the state religion, the leader of Slovakia was a priest, Fr. Tiso, Hitler put a halt to his aktion vier eugenics programme because of the reaction of Catholic Germans, I may well be wrong, but I don't think that he would have gone through with any campaign of persecution after the war if Germany had won, as then he would have had an entire continent of hostile Catholics to deal with. Look at what the Allies' beloved "Uncle Joe" dished out in the half of the continent that the filthy marrano Roosevelt gave him. Did they even once try to stop him, or even protest? No, of course, they were just as anti-Catholic as Hitler could ever be, only more subtle & hypocritical.                                                                                                               The Jєωs had to destroy the Axis because otherwise the Axis leaders would have shown the other goyisch nations the way to freedom from тαℓмυdic domination. While the Depression was wreaking havoc in Jєωιѕн-controlled America & Britain, German workers were enjoying not only nearly full employment & decent wages, but were even able to go on holiday, Italy also did well, so well that many who had emigrated to flee Masonic tyranny returned to their own country to take advantage of the greatly improved conditions brought about by the Duce's policies. This was all due to cutting the international Jєωιѕн banks out altogether, no more usury. This was the real reason for the war. Even Churchill later admitted it was an unnecessary war, unnecessary for the goyim that is, but very much necessary for the тαℓмυdic tyrants bent upon imposing a world Judaeo-Bolshevist dictatorship.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Exfish on September 06, 2013, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: Cuthbert
No one says that Hitler was a shining example of sanctity, but neither was he as black as the Jєωs paint him. I take the vile insults back & will confess them, I should have calmed down before typing, but the thought of gleefully wishing that a man should burn eternally with all the devils was too much. As for me being asinine, I guess that's probably true often enough, as with the unnecessary insults. No denigration of Allied soldiers was intended. If only they could have known what was really going on, the plan of World Jєωry, they never would have fought their European brothers, instead they would have taken action against the real tyrants, the international Jєωs who take such delight in seeing the goyim killing one another.


Not only that. But if they only knew that world domination was not Hitler's goal.
It was to rid Europe of Communism.
Many allied, volunteered with him.  The only country that sided with him unoffically and both, sent volunteers to Germany and received German volunteers and equipment  to fight communism was Spain.
But temporal victory lasted only about 40 years.






Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: poche on September 06, 2013, 10:59:57 PM
Quote from: Exfish
Quote from: Cuthbert
No one says that Hitler was a shining example of sanctity, but neither was he as black as the Jєωs paint him. I take the vile insults back & will confess them, I should have calmed down before typing, but the thought of gleefully wishing that a man should burn eternally with all the devils was too much. As for me being asinine, I guess that's probably true often enough, as with the unnecessary insults. No denigration of Allied soldiers was intended. If only they could have known what was really going on, the plan of World Jєωry, they never would have fought their European brothers, instead they would have taken action against the real tyrants, the international Jєωs who take such delight in seeing the goyim killing one another.


Not only that. But if they only knew that world domination was not Hitler's goal.
It was to rid Europe of Communism.
Many allied, volunteered with him.  The only country that sided with him unoffically and both, sent volunteers to Germany and received German volunteers and equipment  to fight communism was Spain.
But temporal victory lasted only about 40 years.







Yes and if world domination just happenned along as a side effect I am sure he was ready to accept it.
 :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Cuthbert on September 06, 2013, 11:15:20 PM
Poche, have ever read anything of the history of Germany at this time? The Bolsheviks had already nearly taken over Germany immediately after WWI, thankfully the Bavarian Soviet was crushed, but despite this they still numbered in the hundreds of thousands if not millions, either outright communist party members, or sympathizers. Hitler's plan was to eradicate judaeo-bolshevism in his own country & its sphere of influence, & if possible in all of Europe. If you listen to some of his speeches & read the translations, you will see that this is so. It was Germany & Italy that sent aid to General Franco to assist him in annihilating communism, France & the Soviet Union did all they could to help the priest-murdering red beasts. Who wrote the popular histories of the war afterward? Those who were either themselves Jєωs, or else under a Jєωιѕн thumb, where do you think we got the mythical 6 million? It was Soviet propaganda, just like they blamed the Germans for the Katyn massacre when it was actually perpetrated by the heavily Jєωιѕн NKVD under Stalin's orders.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: GottmitunsAlex on September 06, 2013, 11:35:27 PM
Quote from: Cuthbert
Poche, have ever read anything of the history of Germany at this time? The Bolsheviks had already nearly taken over Germany immediately after WWI, thankfully the Bavarian Soviet was crushed, but despite this they still numbered in the hundreds of thousands if not millions, either outright communist party members, or sympathizers. Hitler's plan was to eradicate judaeo-bolshevism in his own country & its sphere of influence, & if possible in all of Europe. If you listen to some of his speeches & read the translations, you will see that this is so. It was Germany & Italy that sent aid to General Franco to assist him in annihilating communism, France & the Soviet Union did all they could to help the priest-murdering red beasts. Who wrote the popular histories of the war afterward? Those who were either themselves Jєωs, or else under a Jєωιѕн thumb, where do you think we got the mythical 6 million? It was Soviet propaganda, just like they blamed the Germans for the Katyn massacre when it was actually perpetrated by the heavily Jєωιѕн NKVD under Stalin's orders.


 :applause:
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: GottmitunsAlex on September 06, 2013, 11:45:10 PM
The Jєωs of today are of the devil.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/hldXOxsTSRE[/youtube]


Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Zeitun on September 06, 2013, 11:47:48 PM
Quote from: Cuthbert
Zeitun, almost all of the Axis countries were Catholic, as I wrote before, Mussolini even made the Catholic Faith the state religion, the leader of Slovakia was a priest, Fr. Tiso, Hitler put a halt to his aktion vier eugenics programme because of the reaction of Catholic Germans, I may well be wrong, but I don't think that he would have gone through with any campaign of persecution after the war if Germany had won, as then he would have had an entire continent of hostile Catholics to deal with. Look at what the Allies' beloved "Uncle Joe" dished out in the half of the continent that the filthy marrano Roosevelt gave him. Did they even once try to stop him, or even protest? No, of course, they were just as anti-Catholic as Hitler could ever be, only more subtle & hypocritical.        

The Jєωs had to destroy the Axis because otherwise the Axis leaders would have shown the other goyisch nations the way to freedom from тαℓмυdic domination. While the Depression was wreaking havoc in Jєωιѕн-controlled America & Britain, German workers were enjoying not only nearly full employment & decent wages, but were even able to go on holiday, Italy also did well, so well that many who had emigrated to flee Masonic tyranny returned to their own country to take advantage of the greatly improved conditions brought about by the Duce's policies. This was all due to cutting the international Jєωιѕн banks out altogether, no more usury. This was the real reason for the war. Even Churchill later admitted it was an unnecessary war, unnecessary for the goyim that is, but very much necessary for the тαℓмυdic tyrants bent upon imposing a world Judaeo-Bolshevist dictatorship.


Here's a delightful story about the great Churchill on a Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ blog

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Memories of the Second World War
The Freemasons that stopped Hitler, Gustavo Vidal Manzanares, El Plural (Espana)
An Austrian weighed, inflamed with hatred, fanaticism rotted and corroded complex, dragged the world into the most devastating orgy of blood and fire and pain of human history. The first few months, nαzι tanks overran Europe. Few doubted his victory. However, a mason, Winston Churchill, was to cross the path of Hitler. Without this widow's son would have been conceivable a septuagenarian Hitler Pan-Germanic state ruling over a large spread from the Atlantic Ocean to the Urals. Democracy today would surely be an "idea harmful" and thousands of police would echo his boots shining in the streets. Prisons, gutters and cemeteries rebosarían of "enemies of law, order, parental, and family values."But the courage of that legendary Mason changed world history and through this Son of Light that nightmare is no longer a relevant political force.
Sir Winston Churchill was initiated in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ May 24 May 1901 between the columns of the Studholme Lodge, London. Politician, journalist, orator, historian, biographer, humorist, Nobel laureate in literature ... that Mason commanded during World War II England deploying overwhelming force. The day of victory was in Parliament, the biggest ovation ever taxed in that forum. Fighting wars in ten, thirteen times minister, prime minister, more than eight thousand parliamentary speeches, hundreds of articles and reports ... make this son of a widow in one of the greatest men in history. His master mason apron, donated just before his death, can be seen in the museum of the United Grand Lodge of England in London.

Another Mason who crushed the head of the moron nαzι foul was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Born in Hudson in 1882, that Son of Light was elected four times president of the USA. He received a bankrupt nation and exalted to the position of leading economic power and military might. The timely intervention measures provided the U.S. economic welfare and equity levels unknown. With him, for the first time, a woman would take a responsible position in a presidential team. Freemason's government that dealt with what really mattered to the people: health, education, unemployment, public safety, pensions ... obviously the American cave drooled rage at the welfare of the majority.
The entrance to the America of Roosevelt in World War II dealt the fatal blow to Hitler. In his December 11, 1941 before the Reichstag, the disturbed racist had attacked the U.S. president, whom he described as "the rich boy and a Freemason." Indeed, Hitler always hated Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. Like Stalin, Mussolini, Franco, and generally intolerant, bigoted and disturbed. Either way it makes sense for the fans, intolerant and disturbed, those who want the most evil, hate the antidote to fanaticism, intolerance and irrationality that represents the Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

But healthy people, the citizen who wants to live in tranquility and welfare must never forget the legacy and example of Winston Churchill and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the two Masons who stopped Hitler.


http://luzoriente.blogspot.com/2009/09/memories-of-second-world-war.html

Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: poche on September 06, 2013, 11:55:51 PM
Quote from: Cuthbert
Poche, have ever read anything of the history of Germany at this time? The Bolsheviks had already nearly taken over Germany immediately after WWI, thankfully the Bavarian Soviet was crushed, but despite this they still numbered in the hundreds of thousands if not millions, either outright communist party members, or sympathizers. Hitler's plan was to eradicate judaeo-bolshevism in his own country & its sphere of influence, & if possible in all of Europe. If you listen to some of his speeches & read the translations, you will see that this is so. It was Germany & Italy that sent aid to General Franco to assist him in annihilating communism, France & the Soviet Union did all they could to help the priest-murdering red beasts. Who wrote the popular histories of the war afterward? Those who were either themselves Jєωs, or else under a Jєωιѕн thumb, where do you think we got the mythical 6 million? It was Soviet propaganda, just like they blamed the Germans for the Katyn massacre when it was actually perpetrated by the heavily Jєωιѕн NKVD under Stalin's orders.

While communism is evil it is not the only evil in the world. Where was teh anticommunism in Hitler and Stalin's invasion of Poland? Where was teh virtue in the nαzι arrest of Fr. Titus Brandsma? Maximilian Kolbe? Sr Theresa Benedicta of the Cross? While I join you in our theological disagreement with the Jєωs I disagree with you if your solution is to round them up and kill them in cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: poche on September 06, 2013, 11:58:58 PM
Let me remind you that it was nαzι Germany that declared war on the US, not the other way around.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Cuthbert on September 07, 2013, 12:25:36 AM
Well Poche, from what I've read, most of the deaths in the camps were due to disease & malnutrition, which the German people themselves were suffering as a result of the war. I don't believe that there ever were any gas chambers, this is another Soviet lie. The supposed gas chamber at Auschwitz was unusable as such. The gas would have escaped & killed all of the guards, an efficient & safe gas chamber must have a chimney 200 ft high to vent the gas after it's used, no such chimney was found, neither did any such chimney show up on aerial photographs of the camp taken by Allied aeroplanes. Look up Fred Leuchter on you-tube, he was an expert on gas chambers, helping the state of Nevada to design & build one for the execution of criminals. He examined the "gas chamber" at Auschwitz & proved it to be utterly incapable of being used as such. There is also the mathematical factor, the "gas chamber" isn't very large, if the Germans had used it for gassing, they would have had to have been still using it for years after the war ended to do away with the number of persons usually cited as having been murdered there by historians who follow the party line. I've read in the books of reliable historians that there were some massacres by shooting, & that was evil, I don't mean to condone such things in any way, however much our communist enemies would like to do that & worse to us. I think the best thing to do would be to give the Jєωs their own land in some remote part of the world, & then keep them there. They could govern themselves, raise their own food &c., rather like a ghetto on a gigantic scale. As for the other crimes mentioned, I never said that the National Socialists could do no wrong, only that they were the lesser of two evils. Ideally there would be a leader like General Franco to lead all of Europe, but we know that that wasn't the case then, & certainly isn't now.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: GottmitunsAlex on September 07, 2013, 12:36:38 AM
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm (http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm)

The historical record, as represented by the German government at the time, on Bromberg "Bloody Sunday" and related incidents -- 58,000 claimed dead or missing by Feb 1940.*  The German invasion was Sep 1939, but it's important to understand that many of the outrages had preceded the German invasion.  This was proved by the amount of decomposition of the bodies.  Thus, these atrocities cannot be excused simply as reprisals for the German invasion (which would be wrong anyway).  They included 19 year-old girls with their faces smashed, amputations, disembowelments, shot thru' the eye, death-trauma births, you name it.  Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at least as early as April 1939, with smaller incidents stretching back to the close of WW I  -- you haven't been told that by the Mass Media, or the fact that these atrocities were one of the main causes for the German invasion of Poland, something that was meant by the Germans to be a local solution to a local problem.  Germany had already done the "right thing" by protesting in writing to the League of Nations literally dozens of times.  The League of Nations did nothing, yet the problem had to be solved.  

(http://www.jrbooksonline.com/rydz-smigly.jpg)
Photo above:  Polski marshal Rydz-Smigly, burdened with the weight of numerous medals.  As soon as his army started to lose, this bragging Polish "warrior" ran away to Romania,  leaving his troops in a lurch!  Yet to this day, no opprobrium is cast his way by the establishment media.  Why not?



Subsequent to the German invasion, Britain declared war on Germany, yet after the Soviet Union invaded the eastern Polish territory only a few weeks later, Britain neglected to declare war on the Soviet Union.  Why not, if the integrity of Poland's borders was so important?  Inquiring minds want to know.  After using these incidents as obvious pretext (the real purpose being to take down Germany as an economic rival and arch anti-NWO force), Britain then began bombing the Ruhr Valley the day after Churchill took office (May 10, 1940), specifically targeting civilian areas in addition to industrial and military targets.  The rest is history --  a shameful and gut-wrenching one.

On Bromberg Bloody Sunday, thousands of ethnic Germans were slaughtered like pigs in an alley because the majority "poles" (the "slavic", non-Teutonic types, really Turco-Ugaric, Hunnic, Tartar and Mongoloid residue from the old "Dark Age" invasions) knew they could do so with total impunity.  Marshal Pilsudski had died, and Britain's leaders had made unconditional guarantees to Poland as a pretense to ensure maximum political tensions in Eastern Europe to serve the interests of Soviet Russia.  Poles in official capacity were openly laying claim to ancient German territory, were engaging in the crudest pea-brained saber-rattling, had engaged in border violations and boasted of marching thru' the gates of Berlin in 3 weeks (or days, depending on which buzzing brain was indulging in the fantasy).  Poland had even stolen a chunk of "Czechoslovak" territory (Teschen) in March 1939.

* WHAT ABOUT THE NUMBERS?  Are these numbers exaggerated?  Probably, but not by much, certainly nowhere near as much as the way Poles and Jєωs exaggerate their numbers of dead.  These historical facts were confirmed by the East-German historian Theodor Bierschenk in 1954, and the Social-Democrat journalist Otto Heike in 1955, on the basis of Polish docuмents.  There were 12,857 identified dead in the Bromberg area, leaving a large number of unidentified dead there, and many more dead elsewhere.  Both Hoggan (The Forced War) and de Zayas (Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau) basically agree with these conclusions.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Exfish on September 07, 2013, 12:44:53 AM
Quote from: GottmitunsAlex
The Jєωs of today are of the devil.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/hldXOxsTSRE[/youtube]



Nice!
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: poche on September 07, 2013, 01:06:40 AM
The nαzιs ere no friends of the Catholic church. St Titus Brandsma said that Catholic publications could not accept nαzι propaganda. St Maximilian Kolbe was in prison for the same thing. Why do you think that the Catholic Church would take such a position? You cannot be a Catholic and be a nαzι at the same time.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: poche on September 07, 2013, 01:09:13 AM
Have you studied Mitt Brennender Sorge? Here is a link;

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Zeitun on September 07, 2013, 08:12:47 AM
Just another example of the Hegelian dialectic.  Either you hate Jєωs and love nαzιs or you are a Jєω lover and hater of Christ and His Church.  

How about being intellectually honest and saying that Jєωs and nαzιs hate the Catholic Church and both work towards its end?
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: JPaul on September 07, 2013, 08:33:03 AM
Quote from: Zeitun
Just another example of the Hegelian dialectic.  Either you hate Jєωs and love nαzιs or you are a Jєω lover and hater of Christ and His Church.  

How about being intellectually honest and saying that Jєωs and nαzιs hate the Catholic Church and both work towards its end?


Speaking of being honest, stop conflating the Jєωs with the National Socialists.  That is an uninformed and subversive thing to do.

The Jєωs have a supernatural hatred of Christ which they have acted upon for millennia. Stop mitigating their unique  danger to the Church and to the destruction which they have wrought in all of Christendom.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Midas Welby on September 07, 2013, 09:04:02 AM
Both the nαzιs and the Communists were based on bolshevism. nαzιs were nationalistic while the Communists were internationalists, so they were opposed to one another. The Communists tending to have the Jєωs and the atheists, and the nationalists attracted the Christians and those leaning in that direction. It was very much a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" which caused many to side with Germany. This is the principle of "the lesser evil", let's face it, which many traditional Catholics stand on when they vote today!  

The Communists have been working over-time long before Hitler came on the scene, to crush religion altogether, and continued their work long after Hitler died. Hitler promoted a "positive Christianity" which was a sort of fore-runner to ecuмenism. Communists have looked internationally to conquer the world, while Hitler did not. Proof that Hitler did not was the fact that he did not touch Switzerland at all.

The U.S. government sided with the greater evil during World War II, and immediately following faked as if they were opposed to Communism by inventing a "cold war". Communism has since effectively taken over the world and the Vatican.

Communism is militant, atheistic socialism. The so-called "fall of Communism" in 1989 merely took the "militant" out of it, because they no longer needed to be militant.... as they already effectively gained their objective of international control.

Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: bowler on September 07, 2013, 10:03:49 AM
Quote from: Cuthbert
Zeitun, almost all of the Axis countries were Catholic, as I wrote before, Mussolini even made the Catholic Faith the state religion, the leader of Slovakia was a priest, Fr. Tiso, Hitler put a halt to his aktion vier eugenics programme because of the reaction of Catholic Germans, I may well be wrong, but I don't think that he would have gone through with any campaign of persecution after the war if Germany had won, as then he would have had an entire continent of hostile Catholics to deal with. Look at what the Allies' beloved "Uncle Joe" dished out in the half of the continent that the filthy marrano Roosevelt gave him. Did they even once try to stop him, or even protest? No, of course, they were just as anti-Catholic as Hitler could ever be, only more subtle & hypocritical.                                                                                                               The Jєωs had to destroy the Axis because otherwise the Axis leaders would have shown the other goyisch nations the way to freedom from тαℓмυdic domination. While the Depression was wreaking havoc in Jєωιѕн-controlled America & Britain, German workers were enjoying not only nearly full employment & decent wages, but were even able to go on holiday, Italy also did well, so well that many who had emigrated to flee Masonic tyranny returned to their own country to take advantage of the greatly improved conditions brought about by the Duce's policies. This was all due to cutting the international Jєωιѕн banks out altogether, no more usury. This was the real reason for the war. Even Churchill later admitted it was an unnecessary war, unnecessary for the goyim that is, but very much necessary for the тαℓмυdic tyrants bent upon imposing a world Judaeo-Bolshevist dictatorship.


Poland was crushed by Hitler and Stalin from both sides, and yet  England and France only declared war on Germany? Why?

I have no sympathy for the nαzιs, however, I have even less sympathy for Stalin and his cohorts. So, where does that place me?

If Pius XI had consecrated Russia as Our Lady asked, we can see now that Germany could have freed Russia, and changed the entire future of the World. The pope did not consecrate Russia, and the war became just another secular war with no purpose but that of chastisement for everyone except those on the top that benefit from wars.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Spork on September 07, 2013, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: Midas Welby
Both the nαzιs and the Communists were based on bolshevism. nαzιs were nationalistic while the Communists were internationalists, so they were opposed to one another. The Communists tending to have the Jєωs and the atheists, and the nationalists attracted the Christians and those leaning in that direction. It was very much a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" which caused many to side with Germany. This is the principle of "the lesser evil", let's face it, which many traditional Catholics stand on when they vote today!  

The Communists have been working over-time long before Hitler came on the scene, to crush religion altogether, and continued their work long after Hitler died. Hitler promoted a "positive Christianity" which was a sort of fore-runner to ecuмenism. Communists have looked internationally to conquer the world, while Hitler did not. Proof that Hitler did not was the fact that he did not touch Switzerland at all.

The U.S. government sided with the greater evil during World War II, and immediately following faked as if they were opposed to Communism by inventing a "cold war". Communism has since effectively taken over the world and the Vatican.

Communism is militant, atheistic socialism. The so-called "fall of Communism" in 1989 merely took the "militant" out of it, because they no longer needed to be militant.... as they already effectively gained their objective of international control.



That is one of the best analyses I have heard. I would suspect that no one messed with Switzerland, including Hitler, because that is where all the money is.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: GottmitunsAlex on September 07, 2013, 12:08:21 PM
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Pius XII sent this apostolic benediction to Franco after Spain along with it's German allies won the war against the communists in the Iberian peninsula.


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APOSTOLIC BENEDICTION
«CON INMENSO GOZO»
OF HIS HOLINESS
PIUS XII
TO THE SPANISH FAITHFUL

(April 14, 1939)

With great joy We address you, most dear children of Catholic Spain, to express to you our fatherly congratulations for the gift of peace and of victory, with which God has deemed worthy to crown the Christian heroism of your faith and charity, tried in so many and so generous sufferings. Our Predecessor, of venerable memory, expected, with longing and trust, this Providential peace, which is undoubtedly the fruit of that copious blessing which he sent, in the very beginning of the struggle, "to all those who had devoted themselves to the difficult and dangerous task of defending and restoring the rights and the honor of God and Religion" [1]; and We do not doubt that this peace shall be the one that he himself foretold since then, "the sign of a future of tranquility in order, and of honor in prosperity" [2].


The designs of Providence, most beloved children, have once again dawned over heroic Spain. The Nation chosen by God as the main instrument of the evangelization of the New World and as an impregnable fortress of the Catholic faith has just shown to the apostles of materialistic Atheism of our century the greatest evidence that the eternal values of religion and of the spirit stand above all things.

The tenacious propaganda and the constant efforts of the enemies of Jesus Christ seemed to have desired to try in Spain a supreme experiment of the dissolving forces which they have at their disposal throughout the world; and even though it is true that the Almighty has for now not allowed them to achieve their goal, He has at least tolerated some of their terrible effects, so that the world could see how religious persecution, undermining the very bases of justice and charity, which are love for God and respect for His holy law, may drag modern society to unthinkable abysses of evil destruction and passionate discord.

Convinced of this truth, the sane Spanish people, with the two marks characteristic of their most noble spirit, which are generosity and frankness, rose up determinedly in defense of the ideals of Christian faith and civilization, deeply rooted in the Spanish soil, and, aided by God, "who does not abandon those who hope in Him" (Judith 13, 17), could resist the push from those who, deceived by what they believed to be a humanitarian ideal of the exaltation of the meek, truly fought only for Atheism.

This primordial meaning of your victory makes us dwell in the most promising hopes, that God in His mercy will deign lead Spain through the safe path of its traditional and Catholic grandeur; which will be the point that will guide all Spaniards, who love their Religion and their Fatherland, in the effort to organize the life of the Nation in perfect harmony with its most noble history of Catholic faith, piety, and civilization.

We thus exhort the Authorities and Shepherds of Catholic Spain to enlighten the mind of those who were deceived, showing them, lovingly, the roots of Materialism and Secularism from which their errors and wrongful acts came forth, and from which they could spring forth again. Propose to them the principles of individual and social justice, without which the peace and prosperity of nations, as mighty as they may be, cannot subsist, and which are those contained in the Holy Gospel and in the doctrine of the Church.

We do not doubt that it will happen thus, and the bases for Our firm hope are the most noble and Christian sentiments, of which the Chief of State and so many gentlemen, his faithful collaborators, have given unequivocal evidence with the legal protection which they have granted to the supreme religious and social interests, according to the teachings of the Apostolic See. The same hope is also founded upon the enlightened zeal and abnegation of your Bishops and Priests, tempered by pain, and also in the faith, piety, and spirit of sacrifice of which, in terrible hours, all classes of Spanish society gave heroic proof.

And now, before the remembrance of the mounting ruins of the bloodiest cινιℓ ωαr recorded in the history of modern times, We, with pious regard, bow our head, above all, to the holy memory of the Bishops, Priests, Religious of both sexes, and faithful of all ages and conditions who, in such an elevated number, sealed with blood their faith in Jesus Christ, and their love for the Catholic Religion: «maiorem hac dilectionem nemo habet», "Greater love than this no man hath" (Jn 15, 13).

We also acknowledge our debt of gratitude towards all those who sacrificed themselves even unto heroism in defense of the unalienable rights of God and of Religion, either in the battlefields, or devoted to the sublime works of Christian charity in prisons and hospitals.

We cannot hide the bitter sorrow that the remembrance of so many innocent children, who, having been ripped from their homes, were taken to faraway lands, often in danger of apostasy and perversion: we desire nothing more ardently than to see them returned to the bosom of their families, where they will once again find the warm and Christian tenderness of their own. And those others who, as prodigal sons, wish to return to the house of the father, we doubt not that they will be welcomed with goodwill and love.

It falls upon You, Venerable Brothers in the Episcopate, to advise all, so that in their policy of pacification all will follow the principles taught by the Church, and proclaimed with such nobility by the Generalísimo: of justice for crime, and of lenient generosity for the mistaken. Our solicitude, also as a Father, cannot forget these deceived ones, whom a deceitful and perverse propaganda succeeded in enticing with praises and promises. Your Pastoral solicitude should be targeted at them, with patience and meekness: pray for them, seek them, lead them again to the regenerative bosom of the Church and to the warmth of the Fatherland, and lead them to the Merciful Father, Who awaits them with open arms.

Therefore, most dear children, since the rainbow of peace has returned to brighten the heavens of Spain, let us come together heartily in a fervent hymn of thanksgiving to the God of Peace and in a prayer of forgiveness and mercy for all those who perished; and, in order that this peace be fruitful and longlasting, We exhort you with all the fervor of Our heart, to "keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace" (Eph. 4, 2-3). Thus united and obedient to your venerable Episcopate, devote yourselves joyfully and with no delay, to the urgent work of reconstruction, which God and the Fatherland expect from you.

As a pledge of the copious graces, which the Immaculate Virgin and Saint James the Apostle, Patrons of Spain, shall obtain for you, and which the great Spanish Saints have merited for you, We bestow upon you, Our dear children of Catholic Spain, upon the Chief of State and his illustrious Government, upon the zealous Episcopate and their selfless Clergy, upon the heroic combatants, and upon all the faithful Our Apostolic Blessing.

PIUS XII



I wonder why Britain or the US didn't receive a similar "letter"?
I can't figure it out.

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Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: JPaul on September 07, 2013, 12:46:23 PM
Quote from: Zeitun
Quote from: Cuthbert
No one says that Hitler was a shining example of sanctity, but neither was he as black as the Jєωs paint him. I take the vile insults back & will confess them, I should have calmed down before typing, but the thought of gleefully wishing that a man should burn eternally with all the devils was too much. As for me being asinine, I guess that's probably true often enough, as with the unnecessary insults. No denigration of Allied soldiers was intended. If only they could have known what was really going on, the plan of World Jєωry, they never would have fought their European brothers, instead they would have taken action against the real tyrants, the international Jєωs who take such delight in seeing the goyim killing one another.


He was as black as Truth paints him.  He and his minions had a policy to destroy the Catholic Church which included murdering Catholics.  That's a fact of history that you cannot explain away.  

And his bodyguard is as guilty as he is if he didn't repent.



As black as Jєωιѕн and Allied truth paints him. Please provide evidence of the policy to destroy the Catholic Church.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Anthony Benedict on September 07, 2013, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: J.Paul
Quote from: Zeitun
Quote from: Cuthbert
No one says that Hitler was a shining example of sanctity, but neither was he as black as the Jєωs paint him. I take the vile insults back & will confess them, I should have calmed down before typing, but the thought of gleefully wishing that a man should burn eternally with all the devils was too much. As for me being asinine, I guess that's probably true often enough, as with the unnecessary insults. No denigration of Allied soldiers was intended. If only they could have known what was really going on, the plan of World Jєωry, they never would have fought their European brothers, instead they would have taken action against the real tyrants, the international Jєωs who take such delight in seeing the goyim killing one another.


He was as black as Truth paints him.  He and his minions had a policy to destroy the Catholic Church which included murdering Catholics.  That's a fact of history that you cannot explain away.  

And his bodyguard is as guilty as he is if he didn't repent.



As black as Jєωιѕн and Allied truth paints him. Please provide evidence of the policy to destroy the Catholic Church.




nαzι Policy and the Catholic Church
KAROL JOZEF GAJєωSKI
Though Hitler felt a particular urgency — and hatred — when dealing with Jєωs and Communists, he viewed the Catholic Church as a pernicious opponent, a deeply-entrenched threat that must be controlled and eventually uprooted from German life in order to establish his promised Thousand-Year-Reich.


 
On the night of January 30, 1933, rank after rank of SA stormtroopers and black-uniformed SS detachments swung through the Brandenburg Gate onto the Unter den Linden in the centre of Berlin. They carried flaming torches and were cheered by huge crowds lining the sidewalks, thousands hysterically giving the nαzι salute as a token of victory. Hitler had achieved his first goal that very day: appointed Chancellor by the aging President Hindenburg.
As Hitler and his Cabinet minister Hermann Goering acknowledged the cheers of the massed citizenry, Hitler was well aware that the victory was only a partial one. The nαzιs were still a minority in a fragile coalition. Hitler had, in fact, warned earlier that day in a statement released to the world's press: "The nαzι Party has at last broken through to the government. I am determined to continue the struggle as fiercely within government as we fought outside it."

A major part of what Hitler saw as his forthcoming struggle was targeting, isolating and destroying a number of enemies who were perceived as inherently hostile to his dream of the 'Volksgemeinschaft' or 'Racial Community'. Chief among these were Jєωs, Communists, the Social Democrats with their loyal electoral support, the Catholic Centre Party and the Christian Churches. All were threats, each to be dealt with as quickly as circuмstances would allow.

Though Hitler felt a particular urgency — and hatred — when dealing with Jєωs and Communists, he viewed the Catholic Church as a pernicious opponent, a deeply-entrenched threat that must be controlled and eventually uprooted from German life in order to establish his promised Thousand-Year-Reich. To help eliminate Catholic influence, he turned to Alfred Rosenberg, arch-ideologue, αnтι-ѕємιтє, and despiser of Christianity. In his book The Myth of the Twentieth Century, Rosenberg had formulated a "scientific" theory of racism. For him, the supreme human value was that of race: individual races possessed their own collective soul, a mystical "power of the blood and soil." Each race also possessed a religious impulse (in the case of the Aryan Germans, this was the pagan cult of Wotan, king of the gods). Christianity, for Rosenberg, was the distorted product of Semitic tribes who had tricked the Aryans into jettisoning their pagan truth. The Catholic Church, prime mover in this spiritual swindle, was singled out for sustained attack as the promoter of "prodigious, conscious and unconscious falsifications." Rosenberg claimed that Jesus Christ had been an unwitting tool of Jєωιѕн world conspirators, active as early as the first century AD. In some writings, he would go further and argue that Christ was possibly not a Jєω at all, but a prototype Aryan, son of a Roman soldier stationed in Palestine.

In February 1933 Hermann Goering banned all Catholic newspapers in Cologne, citing that 'political' Catholicism — ie commenting on government policy — would not be tolerated. Responding to protests, he denied this was part of a deliberate campaign against Catholics; the government, he claimed, would "seal its own doom with such a policy." Though the ban was lifted, it sent a warning tremor through the largely Catholic Rhineland, and gave an accurate indication of possible future government moves. A further straw in the wind was apparent when Storm troopers (SA) broke up meetings of Christian trade unions and the Catholic Centre Party. The Manchester Guardian reported one such incident on February 23, 1933 — a prominent politician, Adam Stegerwald, was attacked while speaking at a meeting in Krefeld, and a number of priests were hurt in the fracas.

There was a brief — and carefully engineered — lull in anti-Catholic provocation when Hitler turned his attention to strengthening national unity in the face of potential enemies at home and abroad. He made a public appeal for the Church to negotiate the terms of a new Concordat (Church-State agreement); an offer he knew the Vatican would find hard to refuse. Almost from the outset, however, discussions took place against a drumbeat of threats that the SA would be unleashed on defenceless Catholics unless agreement were quickly reached. Pope Pius XI and his Secretary of State, Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli (the future Pius XII) were faced with a dilemma. If they refused to negotiate with the legally appointed government, Hitler would undoubtedly publicise his terms and claim that the Vatican was anti-nαzι and obstructionist. Any written agreement, Pacelli maintained, would offer a better basis for the protection of civil and religious rights than no legally constituted agreement at all. After all, Lutherans had similar safeguards.

In fact, large-scale arrests were already taking place. Thousands of Catholic Center Party (Zentrum) activists were in cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs by the end of June 1933. Although well aware of the ominous situation, government negotiator and Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen (himself a Catholic), told journalists that relations between the Reich and the Vatican were "so friendly" that it had taken only eight days to sketch the main outline of the proposed Concordat. This was duly signed in July 1933 and specified that certain activities — education, youth associations, Church rallies — were legally guaranteed by the Reich. In return, the Church's support for the Centre Party and its ally the Bavarian People's Party would be withdrawn. Actually, the Centre Party, under relentless pressure from the nαzιs, had already voted itself out of existence even before the final signing of the Concordat, a fact that Pacelli lamented as it handicapped his negotiating stance.

In view of the controversy that later surrounded the Concordat, Pacelli always argued that the Church had to accept the lesser of the two evils presented to it. Without the agreement, Catholics would have been left to the mercy of SA, SS and Gestapo hit squads. With the agreement, they at least had legal grounds on which to protest injustices. The Secretary of State was realistic enough to remark to a British Embassy official he understood perfectly that attacks on Catholics would not cease, but "they will hardly break all the articles at the same time."

The nαzιs may have heard Pacelli's opinions, but if so, paid little attention. An "Editors' Law" promulgated in December 1933 struck directly at free speech. All editors were required to become members of the Literary Chamber of the Third Reich and follow whatever directives might follow. In tandem with this gagging act, government censorship began to tighten relentlessly. Even individual typewriters could be impounded on the whim of local nαzι functionaries and as a result, a partial blackout fell on what was happening inside Germany.

The Vatican, seeking accurate information, found helpers in unusual quarters. A large and unrecognised army of witnesses passed along secret reports and docuмents. This ad hoc Catholic intelligence grapevine had, as one of its leaders, Dr. Joseph Mueller, an anti-nαzι Munich lawyer known for his coolness and dependability. As an officer in the Abwehr (Military Counter-Intelligence), he was able to move freely between Munich, Berlin and Rome. In his Abwehr bag he carried sheaves of docuмents giving a detailed account of the campaign being waged against Catholics inside Germany, and, after the Anschluss of 1938, in Austria.

It was clear from Mueller's docuмentation that clergy were being singled out for ridicule, humiliation and punishment. The famous 'Currency' and 'Immorality' trials which peaked in 1935 and 1936, resulted in the imprisonment and fining of hundreds of clergy.

The 'Immorality' trials sought to destroy the reputation of Catholic religious, aimed in particular at those working in primary and secondary schools. Priests, monks, lay-brothers and nuns were accused of "perverted and immoral" lifestyles — euphemisms for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and paedophilia. The Gestapo set numerous traps in order to furnish bogus evidence. The New York Times carried a report in May 1936 describing priests who had been summoned to hotel rooms after desperate messages to administer the last sacraments were received. When the priest entered, the 'caller' would turn out to be a prostitute, planted by government agents. Photos would be later produced in court as irrefutable evidence of corruption.

One notorious trial in 1936 concerned the Franciscans of the Rhineland town of Waldbreitbach. This was widely publicised and parents were warned in sanctimoniously penned editorials not to allow their children to enter Catholic schools if they wished to avoid corruption of the innocent. Even children themselves were encouraged to read the lurid accounts. In several cities, newspaper stands were purposely lowered so youngsters could read salacious and pornographic stories accompanied by cartoons in the pages of Der Stuermer (the newspaper controlled by Julius Streicher, notorious αnтι-ѕємιтє and anti-Catholic). Witness statements from children were produced in court by secret police whose testimony was not challengeable. Threats, bribes, brutal night-time interrogations and nervous breakdowns of the accused were reported in various newspapers outside Germany.

In the USA, protest meetings and marches were organised as news of the trials spread. In June 1936, a petition was signed by 48 clergymen. "We lodge a solemn protest against the almost unique brutality of the attacks launched by the German government charging Catholic clergy with gross immorality," they wrote. "The good name of the Catholic priesthood is to be defamed, in the hope that the ultimate suppression of all Jєωιѕн and Christian beliefs by the totalitarian state can be effected." This protest was signed by Rabbis Samuel Abrams of Boston, Philip Bernstein of Rochester and Philip Bookstaber of hαɾɾιsburg, along with 18 other Rabbis and 27 Protestant clergymen. The New York Times reported that Christmas 1937 would see "more than a hundred Protestant pastors and several thousand Catholic clergymen in prison."

Although roving SA and Hitler Youth gangs were warned in general against turning prominent clergy into martyrs, threats and violence against priests became common. Sometimes, in the wake of local instructions, senior clergy would be intimidated. Cardinal Faulhaber of Munich was shot at and Cardinal Innitzer's residence in Vienna was ransacked in October 1938. There was a notorious incident in the same month when Bishop Sproll of Rottenburg was manhandled and his residence vandalised. He later received an anonymous letter of apology from an SA man, forced to take part in the outrage: "I have always been proud of my country", he wrote, "But last Saturday, I was, for the first time, ashamed to call myself a German."

Songs, films, speeches by party members, poster campaigns, and theatre productions cruelly satirised clergy in the later 1930s. Anderl Kern's anti-clerical play, pointedly titled The Last Peasant, was performed throughout Germany to wide critical acclaim. Characters included a parish priest with an illegitimate child, an eye for the opposite sex and easy money; a young seminarian who arrives home, announcing he has lost his vocation; and a peasant mother who attempts to murder a servant with rosary beads in one hand and a dagger in the other. At the end of the play, the ex-seminarian emerges as a true German hero, having renounced the priesthood and promising to father a large family for the future security of the Aryan race.

The most important strand of nαzι policy was, essentially, to strangle Catholicism by eliminating all organisations supported by the Church, from schools and children's groups to Catholic Trade Unions. By 1939, this had been largely accomplished. Replacing them were National Socialist or "Community Schools", the workers Labour Front and the Hitler Youth with its female counterpart, The League of German Girls. One initial campaign against Catholic schools in Munich reduced the percentage of students attending from 84% in 1934 to 65% a year later. In 1937, parents were asked to choose their child's school in front of two witnesses, usually SA men in full uniform. Hints would be given of possible future trouble and loss of employment if Catholic schools were chosen.

Meetings were regularly held to vote on the issue of Catholic or Community Schools. In Speyer, a town of some 40,000 situated on the Rhine, one working man wrote to his bishop giving details of how his 'vote' had been obtained in 1937: " I was told to go to the Parish Council Offices. On arriving there I declared that I wanted the Roman Catholic school and prepared to leave. The local nαzι cell-leader held me back and wrote a note to my firm stating that because of my declaration I would be dismissed from my job. A police constable then told me if I didn't change my mind I would never obtain public work again."

The cuмulative effect of these measures hit teachers in some Catholic schools very hard. A councillor of the Bavarian Ministry of Education announced that in 1936 alone, of 1,600 teaching posts formerly awarded to nuns, 600 would be transferred to secular staff. The councillor didn't explain what would happen to the employment prospects of the unfortunate 600. The economic effects of such enforced redundancy caused many religious houses to close down and nuns with academic qualifications were driven into low-paid occupations. Some returned to their parents or moved in with sympathetic relatives. Yet others applied for jobs in industry. The town of Baden in 1938 saw 41 nuns working in one textile factory, most former teachers. The government, twisting the knife, then announced that all nuns renouncing their vows would be automatically entitled to State employment, with guaranteed salary and pension rights attached.

Thus, on October 27, 1938, Adolf Wagner, Bavarian Minister of the Interior stated with pride: "The denominational schools throughout the whole of Bavaria have now been transformed into Community schools." By January 1939 it was estimated that more than 10,000 Catholic schools had been suppressed and by the end of April that year the London Catholic Herald reported that a further 3,300 schools had been abolished by decree in what was described as "A black day for the Catholic Rhineland."

Continued pressure was brought to bear on thousands of Catholic civil servants who were threatened with disciplinary measures or dismissal unless their children were enrolled in the Hitler Youth or German Girls League (BDM). Training guilds, such as the Prussian Master Craftsman Association, announced that from 1935 onwards, only those enrolled in nαzι Party organisations would be accepted as apprentices. German Railways, employing hundreds of thousands, passed a similar ordinance the same year. Even farmers began issuing notices to the same effect, with shops advertising part-time jobs following suit. The New York Times, on June 1, 1937, reported a Hitler speech referring specifically to the young: "We will take away their children. They shall not escape us."

In spite of the growing atmosphere of intimidation and fear, protests were made by senior clerics who challenged the Third Reich and its racist, anti-Semitic and anti-Christian policies. These included Bishop Clemens Count von Galen of Munster, Archbishop von Preysing of Berlin, Cardinal Bertram of Breslau, Cardinal Schulte of Cologne and possibly the most famous of all, Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber of Munich. His series of Advent sermons, preached from the pulpit of St. Michael's Church, aroused national and international interest. They proved so popular that thousands listened, with overflows into the streets outside. In the first of the sermons, preached on December 3 1933, Faulhaber defended Christianity by defending the people from whom it sprung: the Jєωs. He reminded the congregation that Christianity made no racial distinctions but asked only that its adherents should possess faith. In March 1934, the published edition of his sermons, Judaism, Christianity and 'Germanism' was banned for its so-called outrageous slanders on the State.

Faulhaber, undeterred, pressed on with denunciations of nαzι policy on Catholic schools, youth organisations, rigged elections, sterilisation laws, attacks on the Pope and attempts to replace Christianity with what he called 'ersatz' (fake) religious principles. He played a considerable role in the writing of the great anti-nαzι encyclical Mit brennender Sorge ('With Burning Anxiety') issued in March 1937. It denounced repeated attacks on the Catholic faith, the breaking of almost every article of the 1933 Concordat, and assailed nαzι ideology and political practice. The encyclical was smuggled into Germany under the eyes of Gestapo agents who had received warnings from Berlin to expect an important anti-nαzι pamphlet. Copies were secretly printed in various parts of the country and the underground Catholic network was engaged in distributing it to parishes throughout Germany. Hundreds of helpers, in cars, on motorbikes or bicycles, handed copies personally to priests, sometimes in the dead of night. The encyclical made it plain that the nαzιs were intent on a "war of extermination" against the Catholic Church, and that after numerous rebuffs to diplomatic approaches from Rome, the Pope had decided to make a final stand.

The government reaction to the encyclical was immediate. A formal protest was sent from Berlin to Rome, and equally swiftly rejected by Cardinal Pacelli. An enraged Hitler and Goebbels cranked up the propaganda machine and once more dozens of clerics found themselves arraigned on the hoary old charges of immorality and 'slandering' the nαzι state. Gestapo units were mobilised to find which presses had produced the encyclical: 12 were confiscated and the editors arrested. In one parish, Essen in the diocese of Oldenburg, seven girls were arrested inside the church as they handed out copies of Mit brennender Sorge after the Palm Sunday service.

The death of Pope Pius XI in February 1939 and the election of his successor, Pacelli, drew sneers from Das Schwarze Korps ('The Black Corps'), house newspaper of the SS and mouthpiece of Heinrich Himmler, Reichsfuhrer SS. It referred to Pius XI as the "Chief Rabbi of the Christians, boss of the firm of Judah-Rome." Prior to this, Das Schwarze Korps had taken a leading role in propaganda attacks on Cardinal Pacelli during his official visit to France, labelling him a co-conspirator with Jєωs and Communists against nαzιsm.

The strategy of the nαzι government towards Christianity in general and the Catholic Church in particular changed gear a number of times during 1933-9. New policies could be imposed from above or rescinded as the dictates of political events changed. Sometimes central decision-making was emphasised; sometimes party organisations were given freer rein to adapt policy to local circuмstances. On occasions harassment could be disguised or even halted if a propaganda coup might thus be gained. In August 1936, for example, during the Olympic Games in Berlin, orders were given to stop measures against Jєωs, Catholics and Protestants and to hide show trials from the eyes of foreign journalists. The pause soon ended once the correspondents left Germany.

With the coming of war in 1939, Hitler insisted that overt persecution of Christians had to take second place to the effective prosecution of military aims. Others in the party held different views, believing it was a mistake to slow the Kirchenkampf, the battle against the Church. Martin Bormann, 'deputy' Fuhrer, reminded Heinrich Himmler in 1941 that the "influence of the Church must be entirely eliminated." In the event, however, the destruction was to be given a longer time-scale for accomplishment. A clue can be found in the published edition of Hitler's Table Talk, where he stated as part of a lengthy and rambling attack on the Church that: "I have numerous accounts to settle, about which I cannot think today. But that doesn't mean I forget them. I write them down. The time will come to bring out the big book."

As is tragically known today, there was little division of opinion among top nαzιs regarding the persecution of the Jєωs. The war gave Hitler undreamed of possibilities to purify Europe of non-Aryans. Slavs were to be used as labour or killed without compunction when necessary, the Jєωιѕн population to be exterminated as vermin. With the invasion of the USSR in June 1941 and the construction of the death camp network, nαzι capacity to kill reached hitherto unimagined levels.

Though the scale of Christian persecution cannot be compared to the Jєωιѕн h0Ɩ0cαųst of 1941-1945, except perhaps in Poland, the ultimate destruction of Christianity was one of the nαzιs long-term aims. From his early years of political dreaming, from within the pages of Mein Kampf to the Table Talk Hitler himself made his contempt for the 'slave' ideology of Christianity and its Jєωιѕн roots perfectly clear.

Baldur von Schirach, the leader of the Hitler Youth, was fond of addressing mass meetings of his followers with a motto: "We are a Youth that believes in God, because we serve the Divine Law that is called Germany." That desperate conception of the 'Divine Law' was to lead, by ten thousand crooked paths, to catastrophic suffering, total war, and to the ovens of Auschwitz itself.



 

 

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ACKNOWLEDGEMENT  
GaJєωski, Karol Jozef. "nαzι Policy and the Catholic Church." Inside the Vatican (November 1999).

Published with permission of Inside the Vatican and Mr. GaJєωski.

For subscription information call 1-800-789-9494 (USA).

AUTHOR

Karol Jozef GaJєωski teaches history at a secondary school in Sandbach, Cheshire, England. His particular interests include modern European history, religious philosophy, English literature, and playing the violin.

Copyright © 1999 Inside the Vatican
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: poche on September 07, 2013, 10:50:55 PM
Quote from: J.Paul
Quote from: Zeitun
Just another example of the Hegelian dialectic.  Either you hate Jєωs and love nαzιs or you are a Jєω lover and hater of Christ and His Church.  

How about being intellectually honest and saying that Jєωs and nαzιs hate the Catholic Church and both work towards its end?


Speaking of being honest, stop conflating the Jєωs with the National Socialists.  That is an uninformed and subversive thing to do.

The Jєωs have a supernatural hatred of Christ which they have acted upon for millennia. Stop mitigating their unique  danger to the Church and to the destruction which they have wrought in all of Christendom.

The Nationalist Socialists also had a supernatural hatred for the Catholic Church.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Pius IX on September 08, 2013, 01:43:45 AM
How do the wannabe brownshirts get past Mit brennender sorge? Was Pius XII just a marrano plant?

Might as well jump on the Ibranyi train.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: poche on September 08, 2013, 02:02:58 AM
Quote from: Pius IX
How do the wannabe brownshirts get past Mit brennender sorge? Was Pius XII just a marrano plant?

Might as well jump on the Ibranyi train.

You cannot be Catholic and be nαzι at teh same time. You can be one or the other but not both.  
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Exfish on September 08, 2013, 02:19:20 AM
Quote from: Pius IX
How do the wannabe brownshirts get past Mit brennender sorge? Was Pius XII just a marrano plant?

Might as well jump on the Ibranyi train.


Careful, your ignorance is showing again.

If you read a little bit of history you will notice that Pius XI drafted MBS.
And Pius XII whilst he was still a Cardinal, pacted and signed the concordat with Germany.
But you wouldn't know what I am talking about so I won't waste my time.
Read some real history books and get your head out of your negro music.
It's killing off your neurons.

As a side note: Pius XI was the pope that also ordered the Cristeros to lay down their weapons..

Again, sorry for disrupting your unitracked train of thought with a history lesson. Better for you to just reserve your naive "history" comments for SD/FE.

Just as some Catholic members here did, I just set you on ignore mode.


Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Exfish on September 08, 2013, 02:21:28 AM
Quote from: poche
Quote from: Pius IX
How do the wannabe brownshirts get past Mit brennender sorge? Was Pius XII just a marrano plant?

Might as well jump on the Ibranyi train.

You cannot be Catholic and be nαzι at teh same time. You can be one or the other but not both.  

Your premise ends with a false dichotomy.
Another ignorant wretch.

Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: poche on September 08, 2013, 02:27:14 AM
Quote from: Exfish
Quote from: Pius IX
How do the wannabe brownshirts get past Mit brennender sorge? Was Pius XII just a marrano plant?

Might as well jump on the Ibranyi train.


Careful, your ignorance is showing again.

If you read a little bit of history you will notice that Pius XI drafted MBS.
And Pius XII whilst he was still a Cardinal, pacted and signed the concordat with Germany.
But you wouldn't know what I am talking about so I won't waste my time.
Read some real history books and get your head out of your negro music.
It's killing off your neurons.

As a side note: Pius XI was the pope that also ordered the Cristeros to lay down their weapons..

Again, sorry for disrupting your unitracked train of thought with a history lesson. Better for you to just reserve your naive "history" comments for SD/FE.

Just as some Catholic members here did, I just set you on ignore mode.




His negotiating a concordat with teh nαzι government isn't the same as approving of their social policy. How do you reconcile your position with Pius IX's encyclical, Mitt Brenneder Sorge? In case you have forgotten, here is a link;

 
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Exfish on September 08, 2013, 02:34:24 AM
Quote from: poche
Quote from: Exfish
Quote from: Pius IX
How do the wannabe brownshirts get past Mit brennender sorge? Was Pius XII just a marrano plant?

Might as well jump on the Ibranyi train.


Careful, your ignorance is showing again.

If you read a little bit of history you will notice that Pius XI drafted MBS.
And Pius XII whilst he was still a Cardinal, pacted and signed the concordat with Germany.
But you wouldn't know what I am talking about so I won't waste my time.
Read some real history books and get your head out of your negro music.
It's killing off your neurons.

As a side note: Pius XI was the pope that also ordered the Cristeros to lay down their weapons..

Again, sorry for disrupting your unitracked train of thought with a history lesson. Better for you to just reserve your naive "history" comments for SD/FE.

Just as some Catholic members here did, I just set you on ignore mode.




His negotiating a concordat with teh nαzι government isn't the same as approving of their social policy. How do you reconcile your position with Pius IX's encyclical, Mitt Brenneder Sorge? xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html


My position?
Pius IX ???  Oh dear...
Read some history. I've read some revisionists, but you are 76 years off...

Forget it. Go to sleep or something.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: poche on September 08, 2013, 02:41:34 AM
Quote from: Exfish
Quote from: poche
Quote from: Exfish
Quote from: Pius IX
How do the wannabe brownshirts get past Mit brennender sorge? Was Pius XII just a marrano plant?

Might as well jump on the Ibranyi train.


Careful, your ignorance is showing again.

If you read a little bit of history you will notice that Pius XI drafted MBS.
And Pius XII whilst he was still a Cardinal, pacted and signed the concordat with Germany.
But you wouldn't know what I am talking about so I won't waste my time.
Read some real history books and get your head out of your negro music.
It's killing off your neurons.

As a side note: Pius XI was the pope that also ordered the Cristeros to lay down their weapons..

Again, sorry for disrupting your unitracked train of thought with a history lesson. Better for you to just reserve your naive "history" comments for SD/FE.

Just as some Catholic members here did, I just set you on ignore mode.




His negotiating a concordat with teh nαzι government isn't the same as approving of their social policy. How do you reconcile your position with Pius IX's encyclical, Mitt Brenneder Sorge? xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html


My position?
Pius IX ???  Oh dear...
Read some history. I've read some revisionists, but you are 76 years off...

Forget it. Go to sleep or something.

Ok you are right I made a mistake. It was Pius XI's encyclical. Still, howe do you reconcile your position with the encyclical that he wrote? Just to refresh your memory, here is another link.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html
   
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Exfish on September 08, 2013, 03:11:19 AM
Quote from: poche



Ok you are right I made a mistake. It was Pius XI's encyclical. Still, howe do you reconcile your position with the encyclical that he wrote?




A heck of a lot easier than trying to reconcile this:

Poches statement (http://i44.tinypic.com/5dv12f.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/5dv12f.png)

You and your SD friend should stay at your ecuмenical forums.
Leave us alone.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Exfish on September 08, 2013, 03:17:57 AM
In case you didn't get my previous message.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/1ysfq.jpg)
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: poche on September 08, 2013, 03:21:33 AM
Quote from: Exfish
In case you didn't get my previous message.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/1ysfq.jpg)

And? Don't you want to see the conversion of teh Jєωs?
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Tridentine MT on September 08, 2013, 08:39:52 AM
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Zeitun
Sounds like this fellow entered Eternity without remorse??? :confused1:


A disgraceful comment. Remorse about what? Pray for the repose of his soul. Regarding "the boss" he spoke the truth about him.


Your comment is disgraceful - "the boss" is responsible - amongst many other things - for the death of Archbishop Lefebvre's father. But you don't give a damn do you?

Bloody bastard - that's what Hitler was... ask Pius XI and Pius XII about him.

Proud that my family fought the bloody bastard who rots in Hell.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Tridentine MT on September 08, 2013, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: Spork
Quote from: Cuthbert
Requiescat in Pace, farewell to another valiant soldier amongst a generation of heroes who fought World Jєωry & their bolshevist stooges with all their might. I don't care what anyone says, Europe & the world would be a good deal better off today if the Axis had won. As John Grace said, Herr Rosch spoke the truth.


The answer to Bolshevism is not National Socialism. It is Catholicism. Of which Hitlers Germany was not.


A reasonable comment, at least.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Tridentine MT on September 08, 2013, 08:45:24 AM
Quote from: Cuthbert
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well Spork, most of the Axis countries were Catholic, a good deal of southern & western Germany, Austria, Hungary, Italy, Slovakia & Croatia among others. General Franco allowed 50,000 Spaniards to enlist in the SS as the Blue Division, or Division 250, they won numerous commendations for bravery on the eastern front. Dr. Salazar in Portugal was sympathetic as well. Mussolini made the Catholic Faith the state religion in Italy & treated the Church much better than the Masonic governments that went before him, & that came after the glorious Jєωιѕн, I mean allied victory. I don't claim that Hitler kept the Faith, but an Axis victory would have resulted in the breaking of the stranglehold of the twin servants of World Jєωry, the Soviet Union & the Anglo-American Empire. I've read somewhere that even Pius XII, towards the end of his life, wondered if he had supported the right side.                                


Had Hitler won the war, Pius XII would not have had the time to think whether he supported the right side or not. Hitler wanted to eliminate him. Check your facts.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Midas Welby on September 08, 2013, 08:56:59 AM
Quote from: Spork
Quote from: Midas Welby
Both the nαzιs and the Communists were based on bolshevism. nαzιs were nationalistic while the Communists were internationalists, so they were opposed to one another. The Communists tending to have the Jєωs and the atheists, and the nationalists attracted the Christians and those leaning in that direction. It was very much a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" which caused many to side with Germany. This is the principle of "the lesser evil", let's face it, which many traditional Catholics stand on when they vote today!  

The Communists have been working over-time long before Hitler came on the scene, to crush religion altogether, and continued their work long after Hitler died. Hitler promoted a "positive Christianity" which was a sort of fore-runner to ecuмenism. Communists have looked internationally to conquer the world, while Hitler did not. Proof that Hitler did not was the fact that he did not touch Switzerland at all.

The U.S. government sided with the greater evil during World War II, and immediately following faked as if they were opposed to Communism by inventing a "cold war". Communism has since effectively taken over the world and the Vatican.

Communism is militant, atheistic socialism. The so-called "fall of Communism" in 1989 merely took the "militant" out of it, because they no longer needed to be militant.... as they already effectively gained their objective of international control.



That is one of the best analyses I have heard. I would suspect that no one messed with Switzerland, including Hitler, because that is where all the money is.


One might say that should have been a prime target considering how many Jєωs had there money in Switzerland, yet he left it alone in the middle of it all.

(http://d2z7bzwflv7old.cloudfront.net/cdn/bWFwcy9lbi9zei9zei1hcmVhLmdpZg%3D%3D/bWF4Vz00MDA%3D_x_htp.jpg)
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Tridentine MT on September 08, 2013, 09:06:24 AM
Quote from: poche
Have you studied Mitt Brennender Sorge? Here is a link;

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html


Kudos to you Poche.

And when Hitler visited Italy, Pius XI closed the Vatican Museums and left Rome for Castel Gandolfo. He said (I am paraphrasing here) that he could not stay in the city (Rome) where another cross (the swastika) was being shown instead of the cross of Christ.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Tridentine MT on September 08, 2013, 09:19:55 AM
Quote from: Pius IX
How do the wannabe brownshirts get past Mit brennender sorge? Was Pius XII just a marrano plant?

Might as well jump on the Ibranyi train.


 :applause: In another thread I had equated some members here as being supporters of His Hopelessness Michael I.  :alcohol:

I wonder what H.E. Bishop Williamson would say about these people who try and paint themselves as being part of the Resistance...
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Tridentine MT on September 08, 2013, 09:35:30 AM
I conclude with the following FACTS:

1. In 1941, one of Ratzinger's cousins, a 14-year-old boy with Down syndrome, was taken away by the nαzι regime and killed, according to:

http://pro-tridentina-malta.blogspot.com/2012/04/benedict-xvis-85th-birthday.html

2. Mgr. Lefebvre's father was killed by the nαzιs.

3. Apart from other Catholics mentioned by other posters, I might add the following Catholics who suffered under the nαzιs: Italians, French, Germans, Czechs, Maltese, etc. A number of them were priests and bishops.

4. Of course the Communists were made of the same piece of cloth like the nαzιs (National Socialist anyone), but the topic here is about someone who died (probably still a nαzι symphatiser - may his soul repose in peace) and all of a sudden the Bawdenite-Ibranyi fringe came to canonise Hitler, something typical Novus Ordo after all, right?

Do any of the nαzι sympathisers here approve of any of the above?

Probably none of you ever suffered the brunt of war or nearly being killed by Turkish snipers unlike ME.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: JPaul on September 08, 2013, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: Tridentine MT
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Zeitun
Sounds like this fellow entered Eternity without remorse??? :confused1:


A disgraceful comment. Remorse about what? Pray for the repose of his soul. Regarding "the boss" he spoke the truth about him.


Your comment is disgraceful - "the boss" is responsible - amongst many other things - for the death of Archbishop Lefebvre's father. But you don't give a damn do you?

Bloody bastard - that's what Hitler was... ask Pius XI and Pius XII about him.

Proud that my family fought the bloody bastard who rots in Hell.


Does anyone have concern for the countless Catholics who were incinerated in their basements and on the streets during the barbaric Allied bombing of Germany?, or perhaps the thousand of Catholic Germans who perished in the Allied death camps AFTER the war? Perhaps not, they were only Germans.

Need we mention the Catholics of Hiroshima and Nakasaki?

In reality the bloodiest of the scoundrels were Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Zeitun on September 08, 2013, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: J.Paul
Quote from: Tridentine MT
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Zeitun
Sounds like this fellow entered Eternity without remorse??? :confused1:


A disgraceful comment. Remorse about what? Pray for the repose of his soul. Regarding "the boss" he spoke the truth about him.


Your comment is disgraceful - "the boss" is responsible - amongst many other things - for the death of Archbishop Lefebvre's father. But you don't give a damn do you?

Bloody bastard - that's what Hitler was... ask Pius XI and Pius XII about him.

Proud that my family fought the bloody bastard who rots in Hell.


Does anyone have concern for the countless Catholics who were incinerated in their basements and on the streets during the barbaric Allied bombing of Germany?, or perhaps the thousand of Catholic Germans who perished in the Allied death camps AFTER the war? Perhaps not, they were only Germans.

Need we mention the Catholics of Hiroshima and Nakasaki?

In reality the bloodiest of the scoundrels were Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin.


I pointed that out several pages ago but nobody cares.  Churchill, Hitler, Stalin, Roosevelt all served the same master.  Might as well throw in George VI and Truman too.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: rlee on September 08, 2013, 07:47:48 PM
Here's something about the subject that this thread has become. Hope it helps all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lEDPOPr7qiY

Written transcript:

http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/1961.Willard.Hotel.Speech.htm
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: GottmitunsAlex on September 08, 2013, 08:20:53 PM
Quote from: rlee
Here's something about the subject that this thread has become. Hope it helps all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lEDPOPr7qiY

Written transcript:

http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/1961.Willard.Hotel.Speech.htm

Danke.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: rlee on September 08, 2013, 11:25:28 PM
Sie sind herzlich eingeladen.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Pius IX on September 08, 2013, 11:28:30 PM
Quote from: Exfish
Quote from: Pius IX
How do the wannabe brownshirts get past Mit brennender sorge? Was Pius XII just a marrano plant?

Might as well jump on the Ibranyi train.


Careful, your ignorance is showing again.

If you read a little bit of history you will notice that Pius XI drafted MBS.
And Pius XII whilst he was still a Cardinal, pacted and signed the concordat with Germany.
But you wouldn't know what I am talking about so I won't waste my time.
Read some real history books and get your head out of your negro music.
It's killing off your neurons.

As a side note: Pius XI was the pope that also ordered the Cristeros to lay down their weapons..

Again, sorry for disrupting your unitracked train of thought with a history lesson. Better for you to just reserve your naive "history" comments for SD/FE.

Just as some Catholic members here did, I just set you on ignore mode.


You are the ignorant one. My great grandfather FOUGHT as a Cristero. He wouldn't stand for nαzι lies.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Zeitun on September 09, 2013, 12:21:53 AM
Here's Adolph doing his jazz hands
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-O_An9RR0uYk/UXPHZqf9kaI/AAAAAAAAivc/qyFFGXjNWlY/s1600/1422.jpg)
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Cantarella on September 09, 2013, 12:45:52 AM
Quote from: Novus Weirdo
Quote from: Cuthbert
Quite a lot of malice in you boy, it's a mortal sin to wish damnation on one's worst enemy let alone someone one doesn't even know. He was more of a man than you'll ever be punk.


Well, I can go to confession and seek forgiveness.  That nαzι cannot.  There is nothing admirable about an old man who was unrepentant to the end of his involvement with evil.


Presumption of God's mercy is a sin against the Holy Ghost.

Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Pius IX on September 09, 2013, 01:15:11 AM
Quote from: Zeitun
Here's Adolph doing his jazz hands
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-O_An9RR0uYk/UXPHZqf9kaI/AAAAAAAAivc/qyFFGXjNWlY/s1600/1422.jpg)


Es ist zeit für Reich!
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: JPaul on September 09, 2013, 07:43:09 AM
Once again, the children of the narrative decend from ad hominem into ad absurdum.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Zeitun on September 09, 2013, 08:22:44 AM
Quote from: Cantarella
Quote from: Novus Weirdo
Quote from: Cuthbert
Quite a lot of malice in you boy, it's a mortal sin to wish damnation on one's worst enemy let alone someone one doesn't even know. He was more of a man than you'll ever be punk.


Well, I can go to confession and seek forgiveness.  That nαzι cannot.  There is nothing admirable about an old man who was unrepentant to the end of his involvement with evil.


Presumption of God's mercy is a sin against the Holy Ghost.



You're wrong.  Definition of presumption of mercy is:

Suarez ("De spe", disp. 2a, sect. 3, n. 2) enumerates five ways in which one may be guilty of presumption, as follows:

1.by hoping to obtain by one's natural powers, unaided, what is definitely supernatural, viz. eternal bliss or the recovery of God's friendship after grievous sin (this would involve a Pelagian frame of mind);
2. a person might look to have his sins forgiven without adequate penance (this, likewise, if it were based on a seriously entertained conviction, would seem to carry with it the taint of heresy);
3. a man might expect some special assistance from Almighty God for the perpetration of crime (this would be blasphemous as well as presumptuous);
4. one might aspire to certain extraordinary supernatural excellencies, but without any conformity to the determinations of God's providence. Thus one might aspire to equal in blessedness the Mother of God;
5. finally, there is the transgression of those who, whilst they continue to lead a life of sin, are as confident of a happy issue as if they had not lost their baptismal innocence.

Unrepentant nαzιs are burning in Hell.  Right along with unrepentant Communists and Catholics.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: poche on September 09, 2013, 10:27:23 AM
I think that if we are going to discuss Hitler and the second world war then we should also discuss what Pope Pius XI, a traditionalist pre-Vatican II pope had to say. Let's talk about his encyclical
     
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html
 
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Zeitun on September 09, 2013, 10:48:31 AM
Quote from: poche
I think that if we are going to discuss Hitler and the second world war then we should also discuss what Pope Pius XI, a traditionalist pre-Vatican II pope had to say. Let's talk about his encyclical
     
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html
 


Thanks for posting that.  I read it--funny, there was no mention of how the nαzιs tried to save Europe or the Catholic faith or Catholic culture, etc.  Quite the opposite.

Maybe the neo-nαzιs don't think Pius XI was a true Pope?
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: poche on September 09, 2013, 12:26:10 PM
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I think that if we are going to discuss Hitler and the second world war then we should also discuss what Pope Pius XI, a traditionalist pre-Vatican II pope had to say. Let's talk about his encyclical
     
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html
 


Thanks for posting that.  I read it--funny, there was no mention of how the nαzιs tried to save Europe or the Catholic faith or Catholic culture, etc.  Quite the opposite.

Maybe the neo-nαzιs don't think Pius XI was a true Pope?

Some how I don't see joinng forces with the Soviet Union and invading Poland is conducive to a saving of Catholic culture or Catholic Europe. By the way, isn't Poland a predominantly Catholic country that they were trying to devastate?
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Spork on September 09, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
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Sie sind herzlich eingeladen.


That makes zero sense. Dont try to use a language you dont know.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: JPaul on September 09, 2013, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: poche
Quote from: Zeitun
Quote from: poche
I think that if we are going to discuss Hitler and the second world war then we should also discuss what Pope Pius XI, a traditionalist pre-Vatican II pope had to say. Let's talk about his encyclical
     
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html
 


Thanks for posting that.  I read it--funny, there was no mention of how the nαzιs tried to save Europe or the Catholic faith or Catholic culture, etc.  Quite the opposite.

Maybe the neo-nαzιs don't think Pius XI was a true Pope?

Some how I don't see joinng forces with the Soviet Union and invading Poland is conducive to a saving of Catholic culture or Catholic Europe. By the way, isn't Poland a predominantly Catholic country that they were trying to devastate?


Both of these statements are false as they are. If one wishes to discuss history, they need to turn off the history channel and do some valid research before commenting.

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joinng forces with the Soviet Union and invading Poland


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that they were trying to devastate
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: StCeciliasGirl on September 09, 2013, 09:55:31 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/oVo2zJK.jpg)

Catholic Europe is GONE. Muslim Europe is the here now, and there wasn't even a war for it; Muslims just walked in and took over. Yeah, thanks Allied Powers.

And Poland gave us "Rainbow Jesus".  :facepalm:
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: GottmitunsAlex on September 09, 2013, 09:58:48 PM
Quote from: StCeciliasGirl
(http://i.imgur.com/oVo2zJK.jpg)

Catholic Europe is GONE. Muslim Europe is the here now, and there wasn't even a war for it; Muslims just walked in and took over. Yeah, thanks Allied Powers.

And Poland gave us "Rainbow Jesus".  :facepalm:


THIS.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Zeitun on September 10, 2013, 10:18:02 AM
Catholic Europe ended LONG before WW1 & WW2.
Title: Rochus Misch has died
Post by: Spork on September 10, 2013, 06:07:04 PM
Du hast Recht: Gott ist tot.-- Hegel. Rund 100 Jahren vor Nietsche