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Rhine Flows into the Tiber TAN version
« on: September 01, 2014, 08:25:42 PM »
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  • Has anyone read both the original and the new TAN version of this book? Are they different or is it the same?


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    « Reply #1 on: September 01, 2014, 10:41:44 PM »
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  • I have The Rhine flows into the Tiber, before Tan. Looks like 1978.  I read it, but a long time ago.  I have the book.  Any questions?


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    « Reply #2 on: September 02, 2014, 11:51:52 AM »
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  • I haven't read it yet, that's why I was wondering if I should get an old version or the TAN one.

    The original 1967 edition is available but it's a lot more expensive than the others.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 02, 2014, 12:06:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: Disputaciones
    I haven't read it yet, that's why I was wondering if I should get an old version or the TAN one.

    The original 1967 edition is available but it's a lot more expensive than the others.


    There is absolutely nothing wrong with the TAN version. Save yourself some money and get the TAN reprint.

    TAN Books & Publishers -- especially before 2009 -- had a spotless reputation for being completely Trad. I shouldn't have to even say it -- TAN is (was?) about the most trustworthy Catholic Publisher in existence after Vatican II. For the longest time, they were the ONLY exclusively Trad publisher. That's why they're still so big today.

    The owner of TAN Books, Thomas A. Nelson, started an independent Trad chapel in the early 70's. That should demonstrate clearly enough where he stood on Vatican II. And he was the publisher/editor of all the books he chose to reprint.

    He started an independent chapel even before he found a permanent priest to say the Tridentine Mass there. For months, parishioners would meet and say the Rosary.

    Mr. Nelson acquired quite a collection of pre-Vatican II books from various convents, monasteries, and seminaries that went under. He still has them, although he lost ownership/control of the business in 2009.

    Until the 1990s, most TAN books were photo-typeset. An old, out-of-print book was "destroyed" so each page could be placed on a very expensive scanning device. Printing plates were made from these scans.

    An interesting anecdote or two:
    The last summer I was a seminarian, we were driving by Rockford in our bus and I convinced them to stop in Rockford for breakfast. I made a call and pulled some strings, and arranged for a tour of TAN Books! We drove over and had an interesting tour. They gave each seminarian around 14 free books! I remember I received "substitutions" for many of them, because I already owned a lot of the books they were giving us.

    Also, around 2002 I spoke with some of my contacts at TAN, and got them to donate 3 large boxes of books to the STAS library. A great infusion of solid, Traditional spiritual reading, especially lives of the saints! Imagine how much good that will do long-term. TAN was quite the apostolate; really a great mercy of God.
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    « Reply #4 on: September 02, 2014, 12:07:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: songbird
    I have The Rhine flows into the Tiber, before Tan. Looks like 1978.  I read it, but a long time ago.  I have the book.  Any questions?


    Are you sure it's not the TAN edition? TAN was founded in 1967.

    "The Rhine Flows into the Tiber" is a very old book. I've read it, by the way.
    It's one of the best books to help a person understand what happened at Vatican II. I highly recommend it.
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    « Reply #5 on: September 02, 2014, 01:08:57 PM »
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    I haven't read it yet, that's why I was wondering if I should get an old version or the TAN one.

    The original 1967 edition is available but it's a lot more expensive than the others.


    There is absolutely nothing wrong with the TAN version. Save yourself some money and get the TAN reprint.


    But have you read the other versions or just the TAN one?

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    I have The Rhine flows into the Tiber, before Tan. Looks like 1978.  I read it, but a long time ago.  I have the book.  Any questions?


    Are you sure it's not the TAN edition? TAN was founded in 1967.


    It says it was published in 1991: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895551861/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0895551861&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20&linkId=EKO7Z6TKWYEG7TXG

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    « Reply #6 on: September 02, 2014, 04:02:16 PM »
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  • The book I have is not TAN. It states: First USA edition March 1967, and it states: 2nd edition May 1967. Then it states: First British edition with New Preface April 1978.  So, it starts out with Preface to British Edition and dated December 1977

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    « Reply #7 on: September 02, 2014, 05:52:40 PM »
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    Has anyone read both the original and the new TAN version of this book? Are they different or is it the same?


    Perhaps you are asking about the new "revised" version of the book which is now titled "An Inside Story of Vatican II: A Firsthand Account of the Council's Inner Workings"  

    I too have wondered about this "revised" version as I am skeptical about any revised editions of Traditional Catholic books these days.  

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895551861/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0895551861&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20&linkId=EKO7Z6TKWYEG7TXG



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    « Reply #8 on: September 02, 2014, 06:12:11 PM »
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  • You can download a PDF of the book here:

    It must be public domain?

    http://ebooksable.com/1537594/rhine-flows-tiber-ralph-wiltgen

    Anyhow, I can't vouch for the "New Edition", since that's not the one I read. I would certainly ask WHY they'd have to "update" anything in a couple decades. It's not like the English language has changed during that time or something!

    The one I read had a black illustration of a church and the whole cover was sea green. You know, an older style cover.
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    « Reply #9 on: September 02, 2014, 06:14:43 PM »
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  • Here's the version of the book I read, that I can vouch for (this is a TAN edition, and it's from the 80's)

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    « Reply #10 on: September 02, 2014, 06:28:27 PM »
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    I have The Rhine flows into the Tiber, before Tan. Looks like 1978.  I read it, but a long time ago.  I have the book.  Any questions?


    Are you sure it's not the TAN edition? TAN was founded in 1967.

    "The Rhine Flows into the Tiber" is a very old book. I've read it, by the way.
    It's one of the best books to help a person understand what happened at Vatican II. I highly recommend it.


    I had not heard of this book.  Thanks.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    « Reply #11 on: September 02, 2014, 06:32:39 PM »
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  • You know, what bothers me is that why does any book need to be "revised" after its author is dead?  I don't care what the publisher views about the subject matter, as they did not write the book.  Mr. Wiltgen had a particular view on Vatican II and that view should be allowed to remain unchanged.  The title of the book also should be allowed to describe the intent of the books author as long as anyone would have interest in reading it.  

    Tan Books is now a part of St. Benedict Press which also publishes a number of modern books that do not specifically support Traditional Catholicism.  It appears to be a business for St. Benedict Press, as their largest audience is with the NO and not with Traditional Catholics.  

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    « Reply #12 on: September 02, 2014, 06:38:03 PM »
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    Tan Books is now a part of St. Benedict Press which also publishes a number of modern books that do not specifically support Traditional Catholicism.  It appears to be a business for St. Benedict Press, as their largest audience is with the NO and not with Traditional Catholics.  


    You just answered your own question as to why they would need to "update" the book.  There are some very uncomplimentary things in that book.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 02, 2014, 06:44:13 PM »
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    Tan Books is now a part of St. Benedict Press which also publishes a number of modern books that do not specifically support Traditional Catholicism.  It appears to be a business for St. Benedict Press, as their largest audience is with the NO and not with Traditional Catholics.  


    You just answered your own question as to why they would need to "update" the book.  There are some very uncomplimentary things in that book.



    Screeeeeech.  Maybe I'll rethink things.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #14 on: September 02, 2014, 07:32:41 PM »
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  • My book is White with Black print.  Picture shows St. Peters vatican in black and a white cathedral. It states: All rights reserved, including the right to reproduce this book or portions thereof, in any form, exept for the inclusion of brief quotations in a review.  It states further: The imprimatur: and No implication is contained therein that those who have granted the nihil obstat and imprimatur agree with the contents, opinions or statements expressed.