Author Topic: Retractions (Read 3342 times)

Vladimir · « **on:** July 20, 2009, 01:17:27 AM »

I have a few retractions to make:

I've decided that the current crisis does not call for such an extreme reaction as to declare that the Church has been reduced to literally a handful of believers, as I have previously thought. I retract my condemnations of Benedict XV, Pius XI, Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI as antipopes - however, I still maintain that Benedict XV, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI are all heretical and that there it is almost a moral certainty that they are in Hell (at least in the case of those already deceased) - however, this is mere speculation, and not a definitive condemnation.

The current crisis is such that faithful Catholics may be found in many camps - the Indult, the FSSPX, "sedevacantist" groups such as the CMRI and SSPV, many Eastern Rite Catholics and to some extent, a very small minority of Novus Ordo Catholics. I reject however, all Novus Ordo "Catholics" who are knowledgable about traditional Catholicism and cling to their abominable practises. On the other hand, I reject all those, who claiming to be Catholic, reject the apparition of Our Lady of Fatima as satanic due to the fact that they erroneously believe Benedict XV to be an antipope. Also, those who reject Fatima for that reason must also reject the devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus as satanic for the very same reason. Fatima is obviously not binding on all Catholics, as one may choose to believe it or not (if they chose not to, it is to their own disadvantage) but to reject the Sacred Heart of Jesus is practically tantamount to a denial of the Faith.

In addition, I still stand by my condemnations of "Baptism" of Desire, "Baptism" of Blood, salvation outside the Church, and the Novus Ordo Missae and all of its abominable ilk (the New Order priesthood, etc).

As one might wonder what could cause such an abrupt change of heart, I can only say that it was the work of Providence. I've realised that I've received what I can only conclude is supernatural grace from assisting at the Holy Mass offered by priests of the FSSP. My "gut feeling" has been telling me that I was wrong to declare "sede vacante" and follow that path, which I have found to be a freefall into a bottomless pit of chaos and downright absurdity. Perhaps I will change my mind in the future. But for now, I declare myself "just Catholic".

I used to post here as "DeMaistre", but I asked ChantCD to allow me to start this new account. I'm just a layman, and a young and unknowledgable one at that. Its not my place to play armchair theologian or Grand Inquisitor. Our salvation depends on our vocation, and I feel as though many lay sedevacantists (including myself) step over the bounds of their vocation as laypersons and worry to much about playing Inquisitor or theologian. It really is simple. Its not nearly as complicated as we like to make it out to be.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2009, 01:48:32 AM »

Quote from: Vladimir

In addition, I still stand by my condemnations of "Baptism" of Desire, "Baptism" of Blood, salvation outside the Church, and the Novus Ordo Missae and all of its abominable ilk (the New Order priesthood, etc).

Go read St. Thomas, who lived AFTER some of the solemn statements/definitions people throw about endlessly. He is a Saint, he is a Doctor, he knows what the Church teaches, the Church knows what he teaches, and his teaching is in perfect harmony therewith.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2009, 01:59:10 AM »

Very sensible approach Rex.

CM · « **Reply #3 on:** July 20, 2009, 05:07:47 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Quote from: Vladimir
In addition, I still stand by my condemnations of "Baptism" of Desire, "Baptism" of Blood, salvation outside the Church, and the Novus Ordo Missae and all of its abominable ilk (the New Order priesthood, etc).

Go read St. Thomas, who lived AFTER some of the solemn statements/definitions people throw about endlessly. He is a Saint, he is a Doctor, he knows what the Church teaches, the Church knows what he teaches, and his teaching is in perfect harmony therewith.

Sorry Gladius, Vienne is when the door was dogmatically closed on baptism of desire. Vienne was convoked after Aquinas died. Nice try.

CM · « **Reply #4 on:** July 20, 2009, 05:08:34 AM »

Vladimir, you just said that heretics can be Catholic and in the Church. May God convert from your heresy.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2009, 05:25:49 AM »

As you live and breathe THE DOGMA, I will take you word for it for the present.

It is still a non-issue, as St Thomas' works have been examined with a fine-tooth comb, printed and praised and used for centuries, all alongside Florence, Vienne, etc. They harmonize perfectly, which is why no cleric of any standing or note, however learned and/or pious, has ever noticed any problem whatever. Odd, no?

Adesto · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2009, 06:27:35 AM »

May Our Lady shower many graces upon you for your humility and willingness to retract. And may she grant us all the grace of humility of retracting when we each change our views too!

Elizabeth · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2009, 08:35:14 AM »

May God bless you Vladimir. It is an awful crisis, full of pitfalls, wolves in sheep's clothing brilliant deceivers and hearts gone cold.

It is horribly easy to fall into the traps; I most certainly have done so. Let us try and help one another, stick together as Catholics.

Many very unbalanced people are attracted to the trad scene because of the opportunities of exploiting and bullying vulnerable children and adults. The allure is the Grand Idea of saving the world, being part of something so big, the romance of fighting off mega-evil.

I am so happy that you can acccept The Sacred Heart and Fatima. God bless you.

Vladimir · « **Reply #8 on:** July 20, 2009, 11:06:30 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

Vladimir, you just said that heretics can be Catholic and in the Church. May God convert from your heresy.

But you reject Fatima and Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus as satanic. May God convert you from your heresy.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #9 on:** July 20, 2009, 11:07:36 AM »

I am so happy, congrats!
I prayed for you alot!
Are you still a future priest?

Vladimir · « **Reply #10 on:** July 20, 2009, 06:32:55 PM »

Do any of you realise how absurd and un-Catholic it is to question whether a priest is a heretic or not before receiving the Sacraments from him? Its both arrogant and absurd. Can you imagine how the Cure d'Ars would have reacted if one of his parishioners took it upon himself to subject the Cure to his own homebrew inquisition?

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** July 20, 2009, 07:43:01 PM »

It's another example of how trust has been lost on a wide scale.

Vladimir · « **Reply #12 on:** July 20, 2009, 11:58:47 PM »

Quote from: ChantCd

It's another example of how trust has been lost on a wide scale.

I find it appalling. Its so alien to the Catholic religion.

CM · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2009, 04:54:53 AM »

Quote from: Vladimir

But you reject Fatima and Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus as satanic. May God convert you from your heresy.

Congratulations. You are a liar and have lost my trust. Fatima is to be rejected as heretical. I have NEVER denounced Devotion to the Sacred heart of Jesus, which has existed since about the year 1672.

You are building a straw man argument based on the fact that Benedict XV is an antipope and therefore had no authority to canonize Blessed Margaret Mary Alacoque, who was beatified by Pope Pius IX.

Quote from: Vladimir

Do any of you realise how absurd and un-Catholic it is to question whether a priest is a heretic or not before receiving the Sacraments from him? Its both arrogant and absurd. Can you imagine how the Cure d'Ars would have reacted if one of his parishioners took it upon himself to subject the Cure to his own homebrew inquisition?

Really? And how do you think a devout layman during the Arian crisis would be called upon by orthodox clergy to act?

And the Cure, if some lay faithful felt they had a just reason to suspect him, would charitably prove his orthodoxy, don't you agree?

And why would the Church continually prohibit any dealings with heretics and apostates from the faith if your new position were correct?

I believe satan is holding some worldly desire before you that you cannot have unless you renounce the sedevacantist position and start saying that heretics are popes again. It's an illogical and dishonest position, and you are already showing, by your behaviour, the fruits thereof.

You were a sede, and you were honest and practical. Now you are not, and you are illogical and a liar. Wake the heck up out of your fog.

Adesto · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2009, 05:38:27 AM »