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Offline Matthew

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« on: April 04, 2013, 05:01:21 PM »
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  • For those new to CathInfo --

    The Reputation system works in the following way:

    You start out with 10 points, and every time someone gives one of your posts a Thumbs Up, you get 1 point. Every time they Thumbs Down one of your posts, you lose 1/3 of a point.

    So the more you post, the higher your score is likely to be.

    Like in Laser Tag (which has a similar system of scoring), you benefit by "leaving your hole" and posting a lot. By playing "defensively" (posting little, in this case) you might not get any thumbs down, but you also won't get any thumbs up.

    Say you start a topic, "Don't let your sons grow up to be cowboys". You get 6 thumbs up, and 6 thumbs down. Was it worth it?

    Of course it was! You just netted 4 points. Do the math.


    6 upvotes = +6 points
    6 downvotes = -2 points
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    +4 points total

    Unless you really don't belong on CathInfo, you're going to do better the more you post.

    The system takes into account the fact that some issues are hotly contested, and you are likely to form "enemies" if you believe in anything. Therefore downvotes don't hurt you as much.

    Also, you can only downvote (or upvote) a person so much. You can only be 25% of someone's upvotes, or 20% of their downvotes. The system prevents you from crossing that threshold.

    This limits the damage a "mortal enemy" can do to you.

    Of course, the more upvotes you receive, the more you CAN receive from each person. Same for downvotes. Think about it.

    So by voting up a good post, you help that person get a HIGHER TOTAL # OF UPVOTES, which allows *other* people to upvote him more. Same for downvotes.

    If you come across a jerk, you should downvote him so he has a greater number of downvotes, so that 20% is a greater number.
    100 downvotes? 1 person can only downvote him 20 times.
    1000 downvotes? 1 person can downvote him 200 times.
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    Offline ora pro me

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    « Reply #1 on: April 04, 2013, 06:27:03 PM »
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  • Matthew, I just gave you a thumbs up for sharing that valuable info for the newcomers and maybe some old-timers also.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 04, 2013, 06:49:51 PM »
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  • Don't you get rep points simply for posting?  I thought it was one point per post, but that doesn't seem to be the case based on this information.
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    « Reply #3 on: April 04, 2013, 10:29:46 PM »
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  • Yep, that's a good system.

    So now maybe you can tell where all the  "likes" and "critics" number blew away to. And one more thing since you are in a sharing mood: at what points do the Levels change?

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    « Reply #4 on: April 04, 2013, 10:37:05 PM »
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  • The "levels" are just how many posts you've made. That number is practically worthless.

    The "likers" and "critics" numbers still function, but the number has gone down since I purged the Likes database recently. I had to reduce the load on the database server.

    Fortunately, I've done so much to that end that I can ease off a bit. I'm going to let the Likes database build back up again. Do you know that in the past 1.5 weeks that it's been building back up, we already have 4,200+ likes & dislikes in the database? That's a lot of voting!

    The website used to give you more statistics -- for example, what percentage of your Likes came from your Top 3 Fans. But that took a lot of processing power, for something that happened for *every post* that appeared on your screen.

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    « Reply #5 on: April 04, 2013, 11:32:47 PM »
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  • Is reputation effected when we post anonymously?
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #6 on: April 04, 2013, 11:35:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mithrandylan
    Is reputation effected when we post anonymously?


    No.

    You'll note that you can thumb-up or down your own posts when you post anonymously.

    That is because the user Guest gets all the merit -- or demerit -- of your post.
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    « Reply #7 on: April 04, 2013, 11:41:20 PM »
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  • What if you are posting in the anonymous forum but aren't posting anonymously?
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    « Reply #8 on: April 04, 2013, 11:55:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mithrandylan
    What if you are posting in the anonymous forum but aren't posting anonymously?


    Then it's the same as posting in any other sub-forum -- you get all the points (positive and negative) that people give you.
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    « Reply #9 on: April 05, 2013, 01:38:40 AM »
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  • It seems to me that a third vote would be appropriate, in between the two
    thumbs, and that it ought to be a question mark.  Here's why:

    1)  The system presumes that members will vote, but it is obviously
    the case that most post readings result in no vote at all.

    2)  When a member is engaged in the discussion at hand it might be rather
    likely that he would not remember to click a thumb before proceeding, and
    this may especially be true for exchanges where intense debate is going on
    and strong disagreement, which ought to be registered as thumbs down
    for disagreement, but the disagreement might be the very power of the
    discussion, which makes the discussion a good one, and so no thumbs
    might be voted at all.  This is substantiated by the fact that the moderator
    sees fit to allow certain members to continue and not to 'ban' them when
    their presence adds an element of tension to the forum that is not
    destructive overall.

    3)  Therefore, one or more members might be contributing a lot to the
    overall content of discussions while they receive no thumb votes, for
    there is no abiding benefit for any member to cast votes - there is no
    counter (for the use of members) that keeps track of how many times
    and/or how you voted.  If any such register is accessible only by the
    moderator, that means that members are merely increasing the mod's
    authority and power over your contribution by letting him think he knows
    more about what you are thinking, even if you are not specifically saying
    it, in which case you're better off not thumbing anyone up or down,
    but a third category would do no such thing against you and you could
    well use that without any concern for being accountable, and that is
    probably the biggest reason it wouldn't be added as a feature.

    4)  When a member wants to place a vote (which may be very rare) and
    it is not an up vote nor a down vote, it is inadequate to say that not
    voting at all is the same thing as voting "?" in the middle, because most
    members do not vote at all when they read a given post, and a desire
    to vote "?" is therefore lost among and indistinguishable from ambivalence.  

    5)  The middle vote might be chosen by some members when they want
    to say "undecided" since that is what you see on a lot of polls.  But just
    as the rules for thumbs are not understood (and therefore perhaps
    erroneously used) by members until they are explained in a thread like
    this one (and even then only by those members who read it!), so too,
    could they read that the middle vote is for questioning why a post was
    made at all, since it is off topic, or contributes nothing to the thread, or
    has far too many typos and/or bad grammar to be comprehensible,
    among other things, but is not so BAD that it warrants a dreaded down
    thumb.

    6)  The tally of middle category votes could be useful for members to
    see that they ought to pay better attention to the quality of their posts lest
    they decline into down-thumb votes, or, that with a little effort, their posts
    could become rated with up thumbs instead of "?"

    These are the reasons I can think of off-hand for having a third category.

    But, it might simply be a matter of the forum platform not allowing for a
    third category if it's not an offered feature in the script.



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    « Reply #10 on: April 05, 2013, 07:24:52 PM »
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  • If this system of reputation is similar to how it works in real life, I say we all focus more on sharing compliments about our fellow Catholics so that we can help to negate any criticisms or gossip.


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    « Reply #11 on: April 06, 2013, 05:39:22 PM »
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  • I now avoid thumbs down unless the topic is particularly sensitive but try to give as many thumbs up as possible.  With each new grey hair I become more conscience of just how negative our society is and how quick we are to criticize each other so I want to be as encouraging as possible.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 06, 2013, 05:47:48 PM »
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  • Good to see that people are picking up on the aspect of charity in this thread.
    Let us remember that lack of charity comes under the 5th Commandment.
    Giving the thumbs up or down could in effect be a vain sinful act!
    Are we to be like the pagans who brag about the number of followers they have on facebook or twitter?
    Are we to be like Satan who seeks the adoration of creatures?
    Mathew, in the name of Christian charity I ask you to scrap this system completely; then the server may not be so overloaded!