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Online Mithrandylan

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Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2017, 10:48:03 AM »
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  • I see that there are options to see "unread" and "recent replies to your posts."  Good good.  Not sure if they were there before?  maybe I missed them.  My only complaint then is that if one selects "unread" (from the "Info Center") the Info Center itself is not on the "unread" page, so one cannot then (in a seamless fashion) select "recent replies to your posts".  One must go back, and then select the recent replies link.  It would be nice to see the info center (or at least these two particular aspects of it) easily accessible from any page on the website, not just the landing page.

    I love the new reply composition.  I especially like how the bbc code is invisible and that when composing the default view is a preview.  Awesome.
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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #16 on: March 20, 2017, 11:45:28 AM »
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  • Or, to change the content of the current feed to be more like the previous CI,
    If you can only pick one of Mith's suggestions, my vote is with this one. I agree that the current feed isn't very useful.
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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #17 on: March 20, 2017, 12:41:28 PM »
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  • For whatever the suggestion is worth, what I'd recommend is moving the text on the top right of the banner-- "Traditional Catholic Forum | A Message board for..." To where, I'm not sure.  I know it's branding so its important.  But move it and replace it with an info hub that has username, profile link, and a link to "recent replies to your posts" as well as "unread posts."  And then have that info hub be static across the whole site, so long as someone is logged in. 

    I know it wasn't asked for and it's not my forum, but that's what I would suggest.  Right now "profile" is part of the banner menu and doesn't really stand out (as is somewhat the norm, I believe) and there isn't really an intuitive way from desktop (or mobile, so far as I can tell) for a user to get out of wherever they are and get back to whatever's happening on the forum (unless one wants to count the "home" button as doing this, which I wouldn't since it just contains links to the subforums and the currently fairly useless new posts feed).
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #18 on: March 20, 2017, 12:49:15 PM »
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  • Definitely looks way better, easier to navigate.


    Matthew,

    Is there a reason you don't use an SSL certificate on this site? It would be really good to have an encrypted connection since we all pass our credentials on this site over an unsecured connection which could easily be jacked by a semi-decent hacker. I could pull everyone's credentials off this site pretty easily if I wanted to (been in IT for 13 years, used to hack before that). A cheap SSL certificate would prevent it.

    Something to think about.

    Yes there is a reason.
    An SSL certificate is about $78/year, that's if you pay for 3 years at once. And I don't sell anything on CI -- I don't receive credit card or other sensitive information.
    SSL is to encrypt information during transit between your PC and the server. I don't care if CathInfo posts are intercepted on the way to the server -- they're about to be public anyhow, right?
    And no you couldn't hack into my server and get all my credentials. Not unless the server itself had an opening, or there was a "zero day" unpatched vulnerability or exploit with the SimpleMachines forum software. And even if one of those things were true, an SSL certificate wouldn't stop either! I'm not completely ignorant about cybersecurity myself.
    How does sniffing traffic give you the keys to the kingdom (the MySQL database)? Even if you got my password, you wouldn't have the MySQL password or the hosting account password for CathInfo. But how would you get MY password anyhow? How would you sniff the traffic between my PC and my server? It doesn't exactly have far to travel. If anything, it hops all the way to my ISP in Gonzales, TX (40 miles away) and back to my server, which is in the same room as me. I doubt you could get ever access my CathInfo-bound traffic during transit.
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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #19 on: March 20, 2017, 12:52:37 PM »
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  • The search function seems to be a lot better now. The old one was not very good so whenever I used to want to search Cathinfo I used google instead. But I just used the new search function and it seems much better. 

    Also, I did a google search and when I got results for old Cathinfo threads on the search when I clicked the results, the link did not work. Will this fix over time as google updates?
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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #20 on: March 20, 2017, 01:45:35 PM »
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  • Yes there is a reason.
    Yeah if you buy it from those crooks at GoDaddy. 



    No, not everything is public. Private Messages are not public, nor is passing your credentials. But they are public if anyone were do a MITM attack on your server, which is pretty easy.


    I could, but I'm not malicious. I'm not talking about the database, I'm talking about passing credentials and private messages across the internet unencrypted, which is stupid.

    There are other ways to get into the database. I am not talking about accessing your database that way, I was referring to your users. Who probably use their names/passwords on multiple sites. And by not encrypting that traffic when they pass their credentials your server, those packets can easily be captured and used. It is super easy to do for anyone who is remotely good at hacking. The reason I bring this up is to protect fellow Catholics who use this site. I created a unique password for just your site that I don't use anywhere else because you don't encrypt your site.

    I am not trying to piss you off, I'm just trying to help you make the site more secure.
    Not to nitpick ten bucks, but isn't it common sense not to use your bank password to access CathInfo? Perhaps not quite as obvious, but if you have something sensitive to relay and must use the Internet, a random PM system might not be the best idea.
    Is that essentially what you're saying or is there something I'm missing?


    ETA: It seems the quotes within your quote were automatically removed. That's handy!
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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #21 on: March 20, 2017, 05:19:55 PM »
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  • Private messages on this site are not private. I could easily get them all if I wanted to. Same with credentials.

    Easily?  :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
    Make me laugh! No you couldn't. You're just going to have to prove it, or shut up with your boasting. I completely spit on, and deny your abilities in this matter.

    I bet you $50 that you can't "get all" of the PMs on CathInfo.com.


    I have to object to what you said here. You allege that private messages on CathInfo are not private, that there is no real security in place. You allege that any perceived security is false, much like "security through obscurity" (hiding a key to the house under the welcome mat). Anyone who knows what they're doing, and who wants in, can just flip up the welcome mat, take the key, and enter the house. Or the tiny padlock on a diary -- anyone who really wants in can just cut the thin leather strap with a scissors and open the diary like a regular book.

    That is simply not true about the PM system on CathInfo. You can't just get at all the PMs "if you know what you're doing".

    I'd like to see you try. My site is plenty secure. I'm using the latest version of SMF. I doubt there are any mindless SQL injection bugs present in the code.  Protecting against SQL injection is pretty standard fare these days. Maybe 10 years ago many sites had vulnerabilities like this. But just as you've learned a lot over the years, so have software developers. Many programming libraries protect against things automatically in 2017 that used to require a hired security expert to implement in 2005.

    The Laravel PHP framework, for example, makes it trivial to protect against HTML form injection attacks, SQL injection, etc.

    But that's a moot point, because I decided an hour ago that I will buy an SSL certificate for CathInfo. I surrender. The world is crazy. I disagree that it's necessary, but the whole world is stacked against website owners. They each have to "play the game" and pay up.
    A couple weeks ago it was Firefox. Today I got a notice from Google:

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    Nonsecure Collection of Passwords will trigger warnings in Chrome 56 for http://www.cathinfo.com/
    To: owner of http://www.cathinfo.com/
    Beginning in January 2017, Chrome (version 56 and later) will mark pages that collect passwords or credit card details as “Not Secure” unless the pages are served over HTTPS.  

    I like how they equate a simple forum password (which I don't care about) with one's credit card information or other SENSITIVE information. If you use your bank password for your CathInfo password, that's sensitive information. But you'd be stupid. I'd like to think many people are not that stupid.

    When I join a forum to ask programming questions, etc. I use a very simple password. 7 characters, all lowercase, no numbers or symbols. If they hack my "Tractor.net" message board account, who gives a ____? Certainly not me.

    But back to the issue of an SSL certificate for CathInfo --

    Whatever it costs, I'm going to have to pay it, sort of like blackmail. I can't have average readers/members thinking this site is going to cause them to have their identity stolen, or credit cards stolen, due to "insecurity" of my site.  I don't want to deal with ominous warnings about CathInfo being a seedy back alley of the Internet, just because I don't want to pay their blood ransom. I surrender!

    It's not worth it. I can't fight the whole world, even if I'm in the right.

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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #22 on: March 20, 2017, 07:32:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ascetik link=topic=44127.msg544616#msg544616 date=1490027697 (Mar 20, 2017 at 12:34:57 PM)
    I could pull everyone's credentials off this site pretty easily if I wanted to (been in IT for 13 years, used to hack before that).  A cheap SSL certificate would prevent it.

    Ah!  "used to hack", huh?  A person who claims to have "been in IT for 13 years" would have more credibility if he were to show that he knows that the correct verb for breaking in to a computer system where he's not wanted is "crack", not "hack" as routinely misused by the mainstream news media.

    Quote from: Matthew ("Why I decided to upgrade CathInfo", Mar 19, 2017, at 03:17:15 PM
    [....] I stuck with the same [CathInfo] software for 11 years!  But that software, Mercuryboard, is from 2006--and it hasn't been updated since then.  It is a DEAD piece of software[†], kept alive only by my own Dr. Frankenstein programmer powers.

    It's possible that Matthew's statement quoted above attests to him hacking MercuryBoard--according to its favorable[‡] correct meaning that's focused on clever & quick accomplishment of beneficial & reliable programming--for 11 years!

    He deserves credit & our thanks for 11 years! of what was probably frustrating enhancement coding that benefitted CathInfo members by sparing us from suffering with some sparkling-but-bloated interim forum software.

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    Note †: "No it's not!  It's just sleeping!"

    Note ‡: I've never seen any source code that Matthew wrote, but guessing from his behavior as C.I. webmaster during my membership, I seriously doubt that the unflattering-but-correct meaning for hacking, loosely meaning the hasty production of wretched code that works only some--but not all--of the time, would apply.  The "Frankenstein" reference could suggest to a reasonable reader that MercuryBoard might have been 1 big "hack job" in the form Matthew originally received it.


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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #23 on: March 20, 2017, 07:59:56 PM »
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    Ah!  "used to hack", huh?  A person who claims to have "been in IT for 13 years" would have more credibility if he were to show that he knows that the correct verb for breaking in to a computer system where he's not wanted is "crack", not "hack" as routinely misused by the mainstream news media.
    No, you're totally 100% wrong. Cracking refers to either breaking hash algorithms or the licensing of software, typically referred to as a crack, not a hack. Hack refers to breaking into a production system typically, cracking has to do with breaking encryption or software licensing.


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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #24 on: March 20, 2017, 08:09:07 PM »
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    Easily?  :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
    Make me laugh! No you couldn't. You're just going to have to prove it, or shut up with your boasting. I completely spit on, and deny your abilities in this matter.

    I bet you $50 that you can't "get all" of the PMs on CathInfo.com.


    I have to object to what you said here. You allege that private messages on CathInfo are not private, that there is no real security in place. You allege that any perceived security is false, much like "security through obscurity" (hiding a key to the house under the welcome mat). Anyone who knows what they're doing, and who wants in, can just flip up the welcome mat, take the key, and enter the house. Or the tiny padlock on a diary -- anyone who really wants in can just cut the thin leather strap with a scissors and open the diary like a regular book.

    That is simply not true about the PM system on CathInfo. You can't just get at all the PMs "if you know what you're doing".

    I'd like to see you try. My site is plenty secure. I'm using the latest version of SMF. I doubt there are any mindless SQL injection bugs present in the code.  Protecting against SQL injection is pretty standard fare these days. Maybe 10 years ago many sites had vulnerabilities like this. But just as you've learned a lot over the years, so have software developers. Many programming libraries protect against things automatically in 2017 that used to require a hired security expert to implement in 2005.

    The Laravel PHP framework, for example, makes it trivial to protect against HTML form injection attacks, SQL injection, etc.

    But that's a moot point, because I decided an hour ago that I will buy an SSL certificate for CathInfo. I surrender. The world is crazy. I disagree that it's necessary, but the whole world is stacked against website owners. They each have to "play the game" and pay up.
    Before I even reply, I think you're interpreting this as more hostile than it meant to come off. With that caveat:

    I never boasted. I said I could easily get all the messages, and what I meant by that was if I did a MiTM attack I could get them all, all specifically referring to once I start the MiTM I could get all the pm's/credentials I want. If I could get into the db the jig is essentially up then, but yes, like you said, that is more difficult. I agree and any reasonable security professional would.

    If you want to bet money I'm sure with enough time I could take down the entire site, but I'm not interested in that. But if you really want to see if I can I'd be more than happy to.

    They're not private insofar as they're client side being passed to the server on an un-encrypted connection, that's what I meant by them not being private.

    You know part of hacking reconnaissance, it's the first level before enumeration, and all the info you've given me and on this thread makes it that much easier for me, just FYI.

    My goal has been achieved though, and it was never intended to be malicious in the first place, but to emphasize that security is important and I'm glad you got the certificate.

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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #25 on: March 20, 2017, 11:18:14 PM »
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  • The SSL certificate has been installed -- CathInfo now has a "secured" https:// connection.
    No more ominous warnings from Firefox or Chrome.

    You can all sleep safely in your beds now.

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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #26 on: March 20, 2017, 11:21:57 PM »
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  • You know part of hacking reconnaissance, it's the first level before enumeration, and all the info you've given me and on this thread makes it that much easier for me, just FYI.
    Well just FYI, I'm so confident that my site is secure, the things I told you were baby stuff anyone could figure out with a "View Source". 
    I didn't give you any interesting or juicy info. But like I said, it's not like I'm scared of what you or any other potential hacker can do to my website. 
    That's one of the reasons I upgraded to a well-supported forum platform like SimpleMachines. There is a whole development team looking over the source code, patching any vulnerabilities as they're found. The software is so popular that any latent vulnerabilities are likely to be found.
    I say, "Bring it on. Give me your best shot."
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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #27 on: March 21, 2017, 12:18:44 PM »
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  • Nice.

    So 50$? ;)

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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #28 on: March 21, 2017, 02:19:00 PM »
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  • I agree with Cassini. Hope I will get used to it, too. :(

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    Re: Report any bugs or problems with new site here!
    « Reply #29 on: March 21, 2017, 04:09:49 PM »
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  • One small request - could you change the 'time stamp' for posts to Eastern or Central?  I'm not even sure what time zone it uses but it makes it difficult to tell if a thread has been updated.  Just a thought.

    You can adjust "Time Offset" in your profile: Modify Profile => Look and Layout