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Offline jman123

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« on: June 12, 2012, 07:50:02 AM »
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  • So, the fact that the US bishops are fighting the Obama mandate on the grounds of religious liberty are in error?

      If they are in error, what should their true position be on regards to religious liberty here in the USA?


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    « Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 05:53:58 PM »
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  • Refer to the Syllabus of Errors, of 1864 and read the true definition and they you will see that there are errors going on.  One of false ecuмenism, and goal is the Kingship of Christ, and when all these sects come together they are claiming to be saved in their own religion and not catholicism, but read.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 12, 2012, 05:55:23 PM »
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  • Religious liberty was defined at Vatican 1 and changed at Vatican 2.  One is right and one is wrong.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 13, 2012, 01:15:05 AM »
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  • Quote from: jman123
    So, the fact that the US bishops are fighting the Obama mandate on the grounds of religious liberty are in error?

      If they are in error, what should their true position be on regards to religious liberty here in the USA?



    The religious liberty they mistakenly fight for is erroneous in principle. Bishop Williamson had said recently in one of his letters how it would be dangerous to salvation to actually have a Catholic state coerce false religions today, but that does not mean that the Church should not uphold the logical principle that only the Catholic religion, which IS the One True Religion, that has the right to be recognized as the only true religion.

    Granted, it is an abomination what Obama is doing, but it is that US bishops are using the wrong sort of weapon. It only makes sense though due to the modernist and liberal influences that lead to the commonplace modern thought and assumptions of today.

    There is such thing as religious liberty only for the Catholic Church morally speaking. Psychologically speaking, there is religious liberty according to the free will God gave us, but such free will can be abused. So what the Church had condemned in the past was the religious liberty that was not allowed morally, that is, the error that you could believe and profess any religion, true or false, without regard to moral consequences. As far as the Catholic religion goes, if one truly believed in the Catholic faith, one would believe objectively on moral grounds and not due to mere convenience or for any reason.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

    Offline songbird

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    « Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 08:02:34 PM »
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  • The mission of the church is for souls!  The Precious Blood, power in all the sacraments.  We are not political.  The people are getting the impression that they can have gov't  but not Christ the King.  They want federal assistance, but their way, so they give that impression, when in reality, the church is assisting the federal agendas of destruction of their own faith and morals by funding their so-called charities.  The Church was taking care of souls that led to good deeds of taking care of others with their hospitals and such.  No more.  They serve the federal by supporting contraceptives and sterlization and abortion.  People have to know because services are listed in handbooks.  And also hidden agendas in the              CCHD and catholic charities that are not charitiable.  Even DES pays for abortions.  And united way and march of dimes.  These people who think they are against these moralities are not rallying for that,  They rally for religious liberty, that any religion is OK.  Heretical.  


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    « Reply #5 on: June 15, 2012, 09:20:53 AM »
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  • Just posted this on another site.

    This is what happens when you play ball with the masonic/illuminist secret sects. They use your capitulation against you. The devil is not dumb. The Churchmen should have never thought they could dance with the devil. The "Church" affirmed a "right" that DOES NOT EXIST and now it's being used against what people think is the Church. Of course some of us know it's not.

    Can you imagine if the bishops could stand up and tell the president that our religion does not recognize a "right" to "religious liberty". Only a tolerance for things disagreeable and evil when necessary. But alas they can't because they're not the True Church but an imposter sect who have captured the buildings and most of the "faithful".

    Without further ado:

    One of the main problems of the modern age is people ascribe "rights" for themselves that do not exist. There is NO "RIGHT" to "religious freedom". It does not exist! "Rights" or duties/obligations, come from the top down, not the bottom up as the modern age believes. But modern man is no longer capable or wants to grasp this. That's why the world will suffer as it never has before. What modern man believes is freedom is actually practical atheism and licentiousness.

    "To hold, therefore, that there is no difference in matters of religion between forms that are unlike each other, and even contrary to each other, most clearly leads in the end to the rejection of all religion in both theory and practice. And this is the same thing as atheism, however it may differ from it in name. Men who really believe in the existence of God must, in order to be consistent with themselves and to avoid absurd conclusions, understand that differing modes of divine worship involving dissimilarity and conflict even on most important points cannot all be equally probable, equally good, and equally acceptable to God. [/b](Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei, November 1, 1885.)

    From:
    Barack Obama Is The Fruit Of Practical Atheism
    http://christorchaos.com/BarackObamaIsTheFruitOfPracticalAtheism.html

    It is not for nothing that a true champion of the Social Reign of Christ the King, Pope Pius IX, observed the following concerning the nature of the "universal franchise" that had come into vogue during his pontificate:

    "To allow the masses, invariably uninformed and impulsive, to make decisions on the most serious matters, is this not to hand oneself over to chance and deliberately run towards the abyss? Yes, it would be more appropriate to call universal suffrage universal madness and, when the secret societies have taken control of it as is all too often the case, universal falsehood." (Pope Pius IX, Statement to French pilgrims, May 5, 1874, cited by Abbe Georges de Nantes, CCR # 333, p. 24.)

    From:
    We Proclaim Anew What Protestants and Conciliarists Alike Reject: The Social Reign Of Christ The King
    http://christorchaos.com/WeProclaimAnewWhatProtestantsandConciliaristsAlikeRejectTheSocialReignOfChristTheKing.htm

    A Catechism of the Social Reign of Christ the King
    by Thomas A. Droleskey
    http://christorchaos.com/ACatechismoftheSocialReignofChristtheKing.htm

    link:  http://www.city-data.com/forum/24754767-post12.html





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    « Reply #6 on: June 15, 2012, 10:09:56 AM »
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    The religious liberty they mistakenly fight for is erroneous in principle. Bishop Williamson had said recently in one of his letters how it would be dangerous to salvation to actually have a Catholic state coerce false religions today.


    That's not really what he said.

    Besides, there is ample room for cracking down on cults like conciliarism, neo-tradism, etc.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 15, 2012, 11:12:43 PM »
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  • there is no religious liberty in the USA. We are expected to tolerate each other.  And in doing so, it weakens us.  If we were to fight like mexico did, we would get no where.  Unless we are true catholics with true sacraments, the powers would not be there.  Mexico, was at one time 90% catholic ?  A large percentage. And so when they fought the war of 1926? they had God on their side.  The US today, would have  no true sacraments and people who believe that any religion will do and in a war,they would not get along, and not win victories.  


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    « Reply #8 on: June 15, 2012, 11:29:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
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    The religious liberty they mistakenly fight for is erroneous in principle. Bishop Williamson had said recently in one of his letters how it would be dangerous to salvation to actually have a Catholic state coerce false religions today.


    That's not really what he said.

    Besides, there is ample room for cracking down on cults like conciliarism, neo-tradism, etc.


    I did not mean that it would be dangerous to have a Catholic state. I meant that, according to Bishop Williamson, it would be dangerous to salvation to make use of coercion against false religions in our present times. I am simply going with what he said.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)