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Rejoice at the crucifixion?
« on: May 29, 2009, 06:20:54 AM »
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  • I forced myself to shed some tears : impossible
    I forced myself to feel sad : impossible

    I really rejoice at what Jesus did for us. His death is beautiful and glorious ( why do they call it a sham?)

    When mohammed died, he was in the arms of his youngest wife ( married to him when she was six) while his concubines circuled around his bed trying to force a spoon to his mouth.( shame is here not in the cross)

    We should not be sorry at the fact that Jesus was naked on the cross. He was pure and it is enough. Those who feel ashamed may prefer a modestly clad adulterer ( like mohammed!)

    I Love his pierced hand better than the soft chubby hands of a false prophet.

    Therefore crucifixion is beautiful in itself, even aside from it's salvific value.



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    Rejoice at the crucifixion?
    « Reply #1 on: May 29, 2009, 06:56:52 AM »
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  • That is beautiful. Good comparison between Our Beloved Jesus and the foul mohammed. I pray that all will see the difference and convert.


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    Rejoice at the crucifixion?
    « Reply #2 on: May 29, 2009, 07:35:18 AM »
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    Some people say that Jesus accepted a most shameful death. I really cannot believe that it was shameful. If you compare the death of our Lord with that of those who die while they are commiting some purity, you will see that being crucified is not the worst thing.

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    Rejoice at the crucifixion?
    « Reply #3 on: May 29, 2009, 11:02:34 PM »
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  • Quote from: spouse of Jesus
    I forced myself to shed some tears : impossible
    I forced myself to feel sad : impossible


    So you are happy that someone pounded nails into our Lord? You are happy that He was in pain because we are rotten sinners?

    Our salvation is a beautiful mystery, yes. But we ought to feel shame for our sins and compassion for Christ, Who suffered what we ourselves deserved. If you can be happy at the sight of ANY person (divine or not) being hurt, being humiliated, being tormented, being crucified... then you would be sick.

    There is a certain amount of sorrow and compassion which we should feel for ANYONE in that position, and in those sufferings, even our worst enemy... let alone for the most innocent God. We should be grateful to Christ for what He did. But if we can look at an image of Him on the cross and NOT be moved to any kind of pity, remorse, compassion, or sorrow, then there is something seriously lacking in our sense of compassion and justice.

    Christ didn't OWE us His crucifixion. It (being crucified) is what WE deserved. If we are happy to see Him on the cross, we are like a guy who got away with murder watching an innocent man getting executed for what he did... and being happy about it.

    Coupled with our profound gratitude for what He did should be the holy virtue of charity, and compassion for what He went through.

    If you can't be saddened about the sufferings of an innocent MAN, I'd say there was something seriously wrong with you. If you can't cry about the sufferings of our innocent God, there is much, much more wrong with you, since at least any mere human is guilty of some sins, even if not of breaking some law, and since we know those sufferings should have been ours. The beauty of His gift shouldn't mar our natural compassion, or take it away.

    If we don't regret (essentially) crucifying our God, what, pray tell, CAN we regret? No other sin is worse than deicide. If you have no contrition for the sufferings you caused Him, and no sorrow at seeing Him suffer so cruelly on your account, what HAVE you contrition or sorrow for?

    It wasn't "those foul _____" (name the partakers) who crucified Him. It was us. If the thought of you driving the nails in makes you happy, or if you find His pain in any way delightful, there is something seriously wrong with you. That is called sadism.

    Or do you think you are holier and more enlightened about things divine, than the Virgin Mary who wept and suffered horribly watching Him suffer?
    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi

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    Rejoice at the crucifixion?
    « Reply #4 on: May 30, 2009, 11:18:50 AM »
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  • Okay, in the light of morning, I realize that was really, really rude. I apologize to everyone who was offended by the way I put my response. I may have just been overreacting to something I saw as being out of touch with the Faith as I know it, but... I really should have found a better way to say it. Maybe like this...

    The mystery of the cross is a very beautiful thing. But it shouldn't negate our natural compassion that we should have out of Christian charity for ANYONE suffering that way. On the contrary, the more we love the person suffering, the deeper our natural compassion should be.

    So, too, even if we love our enemies, the sorrow or compassion we would feel for them, even watching them receive some painful but just reward for some wickedness or evil act, should be deep and real, because we should not be able to watch any person suffer without feeling true and earnest compassion for them as fellow creatures of God (brothers and sisters under the same Father, even if they refuse to follow Him or acknowledge that), since Christ loves them all and commanded us to love them truly.

    In this way, too, we can also tell that our love for our neighbor is real, and is what it should be. As the Bible says, it is easy to love those who are good, or who are good to us. But God commanded us to love our neighbor (even the bad ones) even as He loved us. If we could watch even a sinful man or an enemy of ours suffer, and not feel true compassion for them, then that would seem to imply our love that we have for them as Christians (toward those others God loves, even if they refused to be saved by Him), is lacking. If we can see someone who is very evil, or who has hurt or offended us, suffer, and feel true and deep compassion for that person, then we can know that our Christian love is what it should be... real, and not in word only.

    By the same token, once you can have real love and compassion for those who the world would never pity, because Christ made and loves them, then it should be all the easier to have compassion for the suffering of the innocent, which even naturally speaking should come easily to us. (Since even the heathens and pagans love those "worthy" of love, and would have compassion on their friends or relatives.)

    Of course, Christ is the MOST innocent, and our most beloved friend and Father. Therefore it follows that the compassion we should have for His sufferings should be the deepest, and also the easiest to stir up, since, even as watching an earthly parent we love dearly suffer, would be painful and hard, in spite of their having offended God in their lives, so watching that most tender and perfect Father suffer, "Who neither did nor could commit a sin", should come all the more easily, and be all the more deep and intense for us.

    That is what I was trying to say. Not sure why I was such a jerk last night, but, of course there was no excuse for it. The above is what I should have said, and what I was trying to say. I just said it like an idiot.

    Yet another classic example of condemning in others what is chiefly wrong with one's self.

    Mea culpa....

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    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi


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    Rejoice at the crucifixion?
    « Reply #5 on: May 30, 2009, 12:43:00 PM »
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  • Be at peace. You did nothing wrong. :popcorn: