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The REAL reason TFP/TIA hates SSPX
« on: June 01, 2019, 06:10:54 PM »
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    By John T. Armour

    I was a member of the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property (TFP) from July 1980 until January 1981. I affiliated with the group after meeting with a TFP sympathizer in my home state of California. As a member, I lived at “the TFP seat” in Mount Kisco, New York where I received the training and indoctrination that all members are given. I consider myself very fortunate to have been convinced by some good friends to separate from this group.
    Looking back, I can now see that the TFP is a dangerous personality cult whose purpose is the glorification of its Brazilian founder, Dr. Plinio Corea de Olivera. Many highly idealistic and religiously motivated young men have been captivated by its persuasive program. The appeals to moral, dogmatic and liturgical tradition which are so refreshing in this age of turmoil are, in my opinion, simply a means to lure individuals into the cult.
    During the period of training which I received, I was taught:
    * Dr. Plinio will never die. When his mission on earth is fulfilled, he will walk into an earthly paradise and then ascend into heaven.
    * Dr. Plinio’s mission is to defeat “the revolution,” the Communistic and/or demonic forces which are corrupting the human race. He is the “pilgrim of justice” sent by God for this purpose.
    * Next to the Blessed Virgin Mary, Dr. Plinio is most loved by God. Hence, St. Michael the Archangel is his own personal guardian angel.
    * Dr. Plinio has the power to read a man’s soul in order to determine if he possesses “Tau,” the vocation and quality to fight the revolution. He is even supposed to be able to make this determination from viewing a photograph. “Tau” can be found only in males.
    * Members of the TFP are required to pledge their allegiance to Dr. Plinio. They make a consecration of slavery to the Blessed Mother and to Dr. Plinio. So highly regarded is Dr. Plinio that we were encouraged to kiss one of his hats that had come into our possession. And we kept a special room set aside for him where we had a special bed raised on a platform above the floor.
    When I first arrived at TFP headquarters in New York, the leaders convinced me that the group was not a cult. They asked me what I had heard about the group and, after correcting minor mistaken notions I had, and after I had assured myself that I was not getting into something I would later regret being a part of, I became a member. Right away, a man was assigned to watch over me, answer my questions and keep me from knowing too much until they were sure of me. He even told me what to write in my letter to my parents. Those of us whose parents did not agree with the TFP soon found ourselves referring to our mothers and fathers as the “fountain of my revolution” (FMR). The inference was that each of us had a trace of the revolution in him, and it had been obtained as a result of the corruption and leniency of our parents. We were convinced to reject and ignore any advice from them, to see this corruption in all our family members, and to treat them accordingly. In time, I grew to despise my family. On one occasion when I was being encouraged in this attitude, I told the leaders that I had caused my mother to cry when I had talked with her by telephone. The leaders actually laughed. But, at the same time, we were urged to convince our parents that they should be proud of us because we were clean-cut gentlemen who were doing God’s work.
    It may seem odd that a group such as the TFP could attract and hold anyone’s confidence and loyalty. But the appeal of spirituality was very strong. We all knew that something was wrong both in the world and in the Church. Here was a dedicated group living an exemplary semi-monastic life, ostensibly formed to fight the decay we knew existed. And we were young and inexperienced. I was actually convinced that I was in the Blessed Mother’s special army.
    The religious overtones were very heavy. We were encouraged to receive Holy Communion daily in the TFP Chapel. That it was distributed to us by a layman who was one of our own was done only out of supposed need. That need, of course, served to provide more evidence of the spread of the revolution. (A large number of hosts were consecrated three or four times a year by a visiting priest from Canada. He left them in our Chapel tabernacle.)
    The converted mansion where about sixty of us lived was full of holy pictures, statues and other religious articles. We were required to pray all fifteen decades of the Rosary daily, and meditation was encouraged. Each evening, after dinner, instruction from Dr. Plinio was given to all. Most often, this instruction came via recordings; sometimes it was a printed message that was read. All messages were in the Portuguese language which was translated into English by one of the leaders.
    We were led to believe that, if we left the TFP, Our Lady would chastise us because She did not want anyone to leave Her army. Many tales of terrible deaths suffered by those who left were recounted. We actually knew a Brazilian member who had been transferred to the United States, but who left the organization to get married. When he contracted a bone disease which killed him, many were pleased to learn that such justice had been delivered to a turncoat.
    The atmosphere cultivated within this group is one which holds that the entire world is corrupt and only the TFP has escaped the corruption. Even traditional Catholics, such as Archbishop Lefebvre and his followers, are scorned—though never publicly.
    Very few members ever attend Mass on Sundays, not because of any inability to locate a Tridentine Mass chapel, but because most do not want to go. A few do attend Mass at a nearby Byzantine Catholic Church. Members of the TFP derisively refer to faithful Catholics who do attend the Tridentine Mass as “trads.” I was mocked one Sunday for reading the Mass to myself out of a missal. TFP leaders even joke about “trad” priests saying on one occasion that they would like to have one kept in the basement to be brought out when needed.
    The TFP members I knew do not believe that Pope John Paul II is a true Pope because, according to them, he has excommunicated himself by stating heresy. The group believes that the See is vacant. Neither of these attitudes, nor many other of the aforementioned attitudes will ever be stated in public, however. TFP members are very anxious to cultivate a favorable image, even among those they constantly denigrate.
    It is my hope that no one will accept the TFP at face value. I believe the group to be a dangerous cult which does harm to those within its web, and to the Catholic Church which I thought I was serving while I was with it.
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    Re: The REAL reason TFP/TIA hates SSPX
    « Reply #1 on: June 01, 2019, 08:25:22 PM »
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  • TFP's refutation of John Armour's screed: https://www.tfp.org/1983-john-armour/


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    Re: The REAL reason TFP/TIA hates SSPX
    « Reply #2 on: June 01, 2019, 09:09:48 PM »
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  • Cera, has the TFP done anything to you personally?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: The REAL reason TFP/TIA hates SSPX
    « Reply #3 on: June 01, 2019, 09:26:03 PM »
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  • Please forgive my ignorance, as I know nothing about the situation, but why have there been endless threads on TFP, TIA and Plinio de Oliveira? I'm very confused.
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    Re: The REAL reason TFP/TIA hates SSPX
    « Reply #4 on: June 01, 2019, 11:15:56 PM »
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  • Please forgive my ignorance, as I know nothing about the situation, but why have there been endless threads on TFP, TIA and Plinio de Oliveira? I'm very confused.
    My thoughts exactly.

    Why are certain characters here so obsessed with the whole TIA, TFP, SSPX feud?

    Each parties’ sympathizers accuse one another of “cultishness”.

    I think this is a classic case of projection.

    What ever it may be, it is certainly odd why some people are so consumed by this.


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    Re: The REAL reason TFP/TIA hates SSPX
    « Reply #5 on: June 02, 2019, 05:36:41 AM »
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  • Please forgive my ignorance, as I know nothing about the situation, but why have there been endless threads on TFP, TIA and Plinio de Oliveira? I'm very confused.
    Good question. Cera has just yesterday started two threads within three minutes of each other. 

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    Re: The REAL reason TFP/TIA hates SSPX
    « Reply #6 on: June 02, 2019, 10:00:02 AM »
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    The religious overtones were very heavy. We were encouraged to receive Holy Communion daily in the TFP Chapel. That it was distributed to us by a layman who was one of our own was done only out of supposed need. That need, of course, served to provide more evidence of the spread of the revolution. (A large number of hosts were consecrated three or four times a year by a visiting priest from Canada. He left them in our Chapel tabernacle.)

    I have to wonder if the hosts that were distributed by the laity (as it is done in the conciliar church) in the TFP chapel were consecrated by a priest in a TLM or a Novus Ordo Mass, since the TFP don't seem to prefer the TLM. In fact, Holy Mass doesn't seem important at all to them. What seems important is fighting the revolution. Everything else seems secondary.
    "This forum is a space for discussion to defend the Catholic Faith following Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre. It is therefore not for rallying to the conciliar church nor for sedevacantism"
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    Re: The REAL reason TFP/TIA hates SSPX
    « Reply #7 on: June 02, 2019, 11:35:06 AM »
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  • I have to wonder if the hosts that were distributed by the laity (as it is done in the conciliar church) in the TFP chapel were consecrated by a priest in a TLM or a Novus Ordo Mass, since the TFP don't seem to prefer the TLM. In fact, Holy Mass doesn't seem important at all to them. What seems important is fighting the revolution. Everything else seems secondary.
    Those are serious warning signs: hosts distributed by laity and not caring about the TLM.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: The REAL reason TFP/TIA hates SSPX
    « Reply #8 on: June 02, 2019, 05:53:28 PM »
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  • Please forgive my ignorance, as I know nothing about the situation, but why have there been endless threads on TFP, TIA and Plinio de Oliveira? I'm very confused.
    Plinio was the cult-leader of Tradition, Family Property. The local Bishop, Bishop Mayer, was at first taken in by the seemingly Catholic group.
    After 30 years and numerous reports of children being turned against their parents (a tactic typical of cults) the Bishop looked into the group more closely and learned that they were trafficking children (not sex trafficking; they were removing minor children from the area where their families lived and removing them to far-away areas or different countries). Civil authorities in two nations condemned TFP for child trafficking.
    Just search Bishop Mayer and you will find that he renounced Plinio and his group as an "anti-Catholic, anti-clerical heretical sect" to which no Catholic should belong.
    Sadly several members of TFP and one of their many other Plinio-worshipping  groups are here on Cath Info to:
    1.  defend their cult leader
    2.  trash anyone who exposes the truth
    3.  recruit new cult members
    Please join me in praying for them to return to the Catholic Faith.
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    Re: The REAL reason TFP/TIA hates SSPX
    « Reply #9 on: June 02, 2019, 07:16:22 PM »
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  • Plinio was the cult-leader of Tradition, Family Property. The local Bishop, Bishop Mayer, was at first taken in by the seemingly Catholic group.
    After 30 years and numerous reports of children being turned against their parents (a tactic typical of cults) the Bishop looked into the group more closely and learned that they were trafficking children (not sex trafficking; they were removing minor children from the area where their families lived and removing them to far-away areas or different countries). Civil authorities in two nations condemned TFP for child trafficking.
    Just search Bishop Mayer and you will find that he renounced Plinio and his group as an "anti-Catholic, anti-clerical heretical sect" to which no Catholic should belong.
    Sadly several members of TFP and one of their many other Plinio-worshipping  groups are here on Cath Info to:
    1.  defend their cult leader
    2.  trash anyone who exposes the truth
    3.  recruit new cult members
    Please join me in praying for them to return to the Catholic Faith.
    Cera, were you a member of this organization at one time?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


     

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