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Offline PaulLuke

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Real social justice?
« on: September 27, 2012, 11:54:26 AM »
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  • The degradation of the One True Faith during recent decades in the name of "social justice" has been appalling. Naturally, I would say that most traditionalists, and maybe even a good number of neo-conservative Catholics for that matter, cringe when they hear the term these days. But is social justice actually a principle that is not supported by the Church, or has it been warped to mean whatever modernists want (in the "spirit of Vatican II")? I always understood real Catholic social teaching to regard social justice as evangelization, care for the poor, etc. as performed by the laity and the religious together, but not advocating for socialism. What do you think?

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    « Reply #1 on: September 27, 2012, 11:56:46 AM »
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    The degradation of the One True Faith during recent decades in the name of "social justice" has been appalling. Naturally, I would say that most traditionalists, and maybe even a good number of neo-conservative Catholics for that matter, cringe when they hear the term these days. But is social justice actually a principle that is not supported by the Church, or has it been warped to mean whatever modernists want (in the "spirit of Vatican II")? I always understood real Catholic social teaching to regard social justice as evangelization, care for the poor, etc. as performed by the laity and the religious together, but not advocating for socialism. What do you think?


    Social Justice, esp w/AMericanists,was ignored and more liberal factions took it up, twisting it.

    THere is nothing wrong with it, despite Glenn Beck attempts to get Catholics on board his corportist, americanist agenda......

    read Rerum Novarum,etc......largely, anything that IHS Press and Loretto, Angelus Press sell on the matter.......it is NOT a dirty word, conservatives need only blame themselves for their americanism and hence, rejection of uniquely Catholic principles on economics, govt, etc,etc......
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


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    « Reply #2 on: September 27, 2012, 11:58:18 AM »
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    I always understood real Catholic social teaching to regard social justice as evangelization, care for the poor, etc. as performed by the laity and the religious together, but not advocating for socialism. What do you think?


    Distributism.....a Catholic approach, not tainted by Libertarianism, which is heretical liberalism of the Enlightenment, nor anti-Catholic, Protestant "capitalism" and humanist socialism.......
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #3 on: September 27, 2012, 12:05:25 PM »
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    The degradation of the One True Faith during recent decades in the name of "social justice" has been appalling. Naturally, I would say that most traditionalists, and maybe even a good number of neo-conservative Catholics for that matter, cringe when they hear the term these days. But is social justice actually a principle that is not supported by the Church, or has it been warped to mean whatever modernists want (in the "spirit of Vatican II")? I always understood real Catholic social teaching to regard social justice as evangelization, care for the poor, etc. as performed by the laity and the religious together, but not advocating for socialism. What do you think?


    All social justice is tied up intrinsically with the social reign of Christ the King, as it is from His enthronement as the center of government and society that all peace and order is derived.  The negative social good, that is due temporal punishment of the effects of man's concupiscence, is achieved through the creation and enforcement of laws in accord with the divine law of God, which is just as the natural end of government is order.  The positive social good, the care of the sick, the feeding of the poor, and correction of the sinner, is rightly undertaken by the Church, whose material wealth to perform these actions is the fruit of uncoerced Christian charity.  When that wealth and power is exercised by the government, especially a democratic government, they are invariably used in such a way as to unlawfully and forcefully redistribute wealth to them that have not earned it.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 27, 2012, 03:02:19 PM »
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  • Without corresponding to the Social Reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ there can be no true social justice.  Sadly, it's a term that is now used as a euphemism for socialism.  

    If we want a starting point for our problems, it's in the concept of the separation of Church and State.  They are ordered to be together.  (See "They Have Uncrowned Him" by Archbishop LeFebrve, Angelus Press)  

    Christ the King must reign in the public sphere just as much as in the private sphere so until we see the establishment of a Catholic City, a Catholic Monarchy or a Catholic Republic, we must really be suspicious of the term itself.  

    The Key is Christ the King.  

    God is entitled to His public worship.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 27, 2012, 03:07:25 PM »
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  • It's very positive to see this thread and a very necessary time to be engaged in propagating the social teachings and forms of Catholic Social Action.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 28, 2012, 05:54:42 AM »
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  • It used to be called noblesse oblige. There is a principle of Social Justice.
    Justice is one of the cardinal virtues. With the advent of industrialization and modern inventionas pope Leo wrote Rerum Novarum to address some of these issues. The popes have written encyclicals every few decades or so.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 28, 2012, 09:27:02 AM »
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    The degradation of the One True Faith during recent decades in the name of "social justice" has been appalling. Naturally, I would say that most traditionalists, and maybe even a good number of neo-conservative Catholics for that matter, cringe when they hear the term these days. But is social justice actually a principle that is not supported by the Church, or has it been warped to mean whatever modernists want (in the "spirit of Vatican II")? I always understood real Catholic social teaching to regard social justice as evangelization, care for the poor, etc. as performed by the laity and the religious together, but not advocating for socialism. What do you think?


    All social justice is tied up intrinsically with the social reign of Christ the King, as it is from His enthronement as the center of government and society that all peace and order is derived.  The negative social good, that is due temporal punishment of the effects of man's concupiscence, is achieved through the creation and enforcement of laws in accord with the divine law of God, which is just as the natural end of government is order.  The positive social good, the care of the sick, the feeding of the poor, and correction of the sinner, is rightly undertaken by the Church, whose material wealth to perform these actions is the fruit of uncoerced Christian charity.  When that wealth and power is exercised by the government, especially a democratic government, they are invariably used in such a way as to unlawfully and forcefully redistribute wealth to them that have not earned it.


    I was going to post my own thoughts, and then I read this.  Perfect!
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


     

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