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PS. for the record, no matter what anyone alleges, I am not, nor have I ever been part of any campaign, or a member of any cult, let alone one that is in opposition to the anti-sggers. I have also never been a member of the Communist Party or a Freemasonic lodge member.   :wink:

RC and I have locked horns in the past... but using such grave matter as the commie/mason to calumniate someone... :devil2:

At least you admit you both have horns.  :wink:

Totally uncalled for.

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In fact I am one of those neanderthals that believe we have an obligation to defend others.

Then you should understand those of us who are obligated to oppose wrongdoing that affects the common good.

No, I do not understand making cowardly Internet attacks.  

Here is Archbishop Lefebvre in The Angelus publication in 1983:

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And that is why I will now proceed to say a few words, as we must do, on the sad situation in which the Society found itself this year in the Northern District of the United States. Well! I have been accused of changing. Changing what? The Mass that I say, the Mass that was said a few moments ago by Fr. Schmidberger, is the Tridentine Mass! It’s the traditional Mass! I have never changed anything! It’s the same Mass attended by the poor priests who left us: Fr. Kelly, Fr. Sanborn, and the others, while they were at Econe. And how long were they at Econe? Fr. Kelly spent two years in Switzerland, Fr. Sanborn three, or maybe, four years, Fr. Dolan the same, Fr. Collins was also at Econe, they always had the same Mass there the one we say today. So, we have not changed a thing. How can they now say, “The Archbishop is changing”? What? What am I changing? They know perfectly well they spent years at Econe that they had there the liturgy which we now have, that we have not changed one iota, not one thing. They are the ones who have wanted change, who have wanted to go back to an older liturgy or to older practices. They are the ones who wanted change. We wanted to change nothing, not one thing. We have made no compromise with Rome. That charge is not true. So it is very sad to think that these priests who were ordained by myself and who, after all is said and done, receiving everything from Econe and the Society, should now be turning against the Society. Why? They say we are making compromises, they say we are going to accept the New Mass, they say things of this kind, which are absolutely false. You can see that for yourselves.

So, I think that the good sense of the faithful will triumph and that, little by little, the faithful will understand that a certain number of our priests have taken up an attitude which is not normal. In fact, they are children rebelling against their parents. Their father in priesthood is me. They are rebelling against me, whereas I have changed nothing, nothing, nothing. This attitude is unacceptable, absolutely unacceptable. And not only are they rebelling, as you see, but also it is I, obviously, who asked them to look after the development of the Society here in the United States. Consequently, through them we obtained Oyster Bay Cove and acquired Ridgefield, Armada, and the other chapels, and all this was agreed between us we granted them the necessary authorizations. And now they are saying, “All that property is ours.” Not only are they rebelling, but also they are claiming the properties, properties for which, in the case of Ridgefield, I sent the money from Switzerland! I sent $500,000.00 from Switzerland to buy Ridgefield! And now, it’s meant to belong to them? It’s inconceivable! It’s plain theft! It’s unreal, it’s unbelievable! They deliberately put all their names on the boards of the corporations, whereas I was asking them to put the usual names on them, as everywhere else in the Society: those of “Superior General, Econome General,” and so on. True, they put my name in, but my name is the only one in these corporations, in place of the others we asked them to put in, they put in all their own names, telling us all the time, “Oh, yes, Monseigneur, we’ll change them, we’re going to do what you want” . . , but they never did. And now they thought they were strong enough to break away from us, so they are saying, “The properties are ours.” Did you ever hear anything like it? It is really unbelievable. It is really sad to think that priests formed by ourselves could reach such a point. However, in our day and age, alas! trials are all too common. Obviously, we are living in an age of confusion within the Church and we have to get used to such trials. However, I hope that the situation will be straightened out and that maybe some of them will come back to join us once more, that some of them will do some thinking, and that God will give them light.

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PS. for the record, no matter what anyone alleges, I am not, nor have I ever been part of any campaign, or a member of any cult, let alone one that is in opposition to the anti-sggers. I have also never been a member of the Communist Party or a Freemasonic lodge member.   :wink:

RC and I have locked horns in the past... but using such grave matter as the commie/mason to calumniate someone... :devil2:

At least you admit you both have horns.  :wink:

Totally uncalled for.

You have no sense of humor.

Archbishop Lefebvre in The Angelus publication in 1983:

...I hope that the situation will be straightened out and that maybe some of them will come back to join us once more...

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Archbishop Lefebvre in The Angelus publication in 1983:

...I hope that the situation will be straightened out and that maybe some of them will come back to join us once more...

Interesting that despite all their differences over ownership of properties and other matters, Archbishop Lefebvre, who knew them much better than SJB, was eager to have them rejoin him, if they chose to do that.

He must not have thought that  they were total reprobates who had to have their reputations destroyed beyond redemption.

It’s inconceivable! It’s plain theft! It’s unreal, it’s unbelievable! They deliberately put all their names on the boards of the corporations...

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I agree with Fr Ramolla that 'Piv' is at least enabling sodomites.

Did Fr Ramolla ever really say that?

Incorrect. It was Eamon who made the allegation.

We still do not know if SJB agrees with him.